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Old 8th September 2021
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Har-Bal Spatial Pan

New product from the maker of Har-Bal.

Very interesting concept. Certainly when producing itb or in general when without actual acoustics.

A VST/AU plugin to place individually on tracks, which then can be placed in the stereo field. Early reflections and other acoustic factors like high frequency fall-off are included.

Main point being - ambience effect will be different according to pan - and depth - position in the room you can define yourself.
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Old 8th September 2021
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Originally Posted by dll ➡️
New product from the maker of Har-Bal.

Very interesting concept. Certainly when producing itb or in general when without actual acoustics.

A VST/AU plugin to place individually on tracks, which then can be placed in the stereo field. Early reflections and other acoustic factors like high frequency fall-off are included.

Main point being - ambience effect will be different according to pan - and depth - position in the room you can define yourself.
Shame, no demo, it seems. Would really like to try this out.
Old 9th September 2021
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This reminds me of 2Caudio's Precendence. Very cool.
Old 9th September 2021
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Interested, really want a demo.
Old 9th September 2021
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I've been using DearVR Pro for quite a while now, and I think that a tool like this is very useful. There is also EAReverb2 by eaRecon which IIRC offers similar functionality.
Old 9th September 2021
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The graphic design is visibly changed from earlier Unfiltered Audio titles, and this reflects in the manual. The minimalist style kind of recalls The Designers Republic.

BYOME/TRIAD is one of my fave plugins EVER, so I'm glad to see their make their entry into this. Glad to see some "pick a random..." options carry over.

Some fresh approaches to things, like making it possible to tempo-sync the CD skipping.

However, I'm trying it — please note that is is very high-latency, and I'm currently wrestling with that. The latency is 43.2 ms and does not appear to reduce if I change modules and parameters, which is hard for me to play in realtime with. I hope they can improve this, because other lo-fi plugins are significantly less latent, like XLN Audio's 192.168.100.1 192.168.1.1 is 1.5 ms.
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Originally Posted by hamiltontech ➡️
The graphic design is visibly changed from earlier Unfiltered Audio titles, and this reflects in the manual. The minimalist style kind of recalls The Designers Republic.

BYOME/TRIAD is one of my fave plugins EVER, so I'm glad to see their make their entry into this. Glad to see some "pick a random..." options carry over.

Some fresh approaches to things, like making it possible to tempo-sync the CD skipping.

However, I'm trying it — please note that is is very high-latency, and I'm currently wrestling with that. The latency is 43.2 ms and does not appear to reduce if I change modules and parameters, which is hard for me to play in realtime with. I hope they can improve this, because other lo-fi plugins are significantly less latent, like XLN Audio's RC-20 is 1.5 ms.
I think you've got the wrong thread buddy.
Old 9th September 2021
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I don't see a demo either, unfortunately...
Old 9th September 2021
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This is kind of nuts not having a demo or even audio examples to hear, that I could find at any rate.

The blurb sounds promising and the price isn't prohibitive. But it's a punt I'm not willing to take.

Thanks to this thread I demoed EAReverb2 and found it a natural sounding room simulator that has made a good impression. Even though I have a few good algo reverbs nothing has quite convinced me as much in this department.

This is what I've been missing I think.

Is there anything better out there?
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Originally Posted by The 6th Beatle ➡️
This is kind of nuts not having a demo or even audio examples to hear, that I could find at any rate.

The blurb sounds promising and the price isn't prohibitive. But it's a punt I'm not willing to take.

Thanks to this thread I demoed EAReverb2 and found it a natural sounding room simulator that has made a good impression. Even though I have a few good algo reverbs nothing has quite convinced me as much in this department.

This is what I've been missing I think.

Is there anything better out there?
There is Spat Revolution by Flux on the other side of the price range
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There is Spat Revolution by Flux on the other side of the price range
I'm definitely afraid to try that!
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Originally Posted by Erik_Lucas ➡️
This reminds me of 2Caudio's Precendence. Very cool.
Or Virtual Sound Stage - in concept.
VSS is more concert sound stage based tho

Kinda looks like an old school RPG but I like that.
Old 10th September 2021
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Actually, I should be clearer.

VSS is based off of the mic in front or near to each instrument or section, with mic height, distance and angle.

This seems to be in a room, with the relative wall reflections, creating the sense of space.

I'd like to try this. I've already got ideas floating around in my head.
Old 10th September 2021
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Precedence is pretty amazing also.

Just been trying with a stereo sample splitting it into left and right and then using an instance of precedence on each side like a virtual microphone positioning it for phase etc.

It does sound like moving the positions of microphones rather than some obvious ambience effect..it's very natural sounding.

Still hoping someone drops on this Harbal and let's us know how it sounds.
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Originally Posted by The 6th Beatle ➡️
Precedence is pretty amazing also.

Just been trying with a stereo sample splitting it into left and right and then using an instance of precedence on each side like a virtual microphone positioning it for phase etc.

It does sound like moving the positions of microphones rather than some obvious ambience effect..it's very natural sounding.

Still hoping someone drops on this Harbal and let's us know how it sounds.
Yeah, there's also Proximity which is a similar distancing tool. I've never got that one to mimic space though. At least not in a dramatic way.


Splitting L and R is a great idea.
Old 4 days ago
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Awesome good effort
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