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  #871
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I would say after the first 2 pages the remaining 29 pages and counting is nothing but mumble jumble!
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  #872
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BurtHanson ➡️
There are actually many modern digital EQs who manage to give you analog characteristics without the component modelling approach. Take Tokyo Dawn Slick EQ for example, where you have the choice of adding mojo as a saturation stage or within the EQ circuit and even lets you set the amount of saturation (even though it will always stay within subtle territory, no obvious overdrive). Or LVC Audio's Toned-Max with saturation option per band, where you can even select between different types of saturation.
LOL you all EQ like this? No wonder this thread is way off. I have never see people adding individual saturation bands to eq's?

New "analog" techniques.
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  #873
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Originally Posted by poshook ➡️
But Pro-Q analyser never tells you how close your plugin is to the original and that matters
I am irritated why people prefer a higher boost than what Harrison delivers. High boosts are quite dangerous for the ears. Wouldn´t it be better, in the long run, to get trained in hearing smaller changes?
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  #874
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Originally Posted by bonch ➡️
No, I don't think it took him more time than the length of the finished video.
Works with a few klicks with the free Bertome EQ. No golden ears are needed.
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  #875
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Sometimes I think Harrison would have saved themselves a lot of criticism if they had simply capped the upper frequency of the Bell EQ at about 13 kHz. Then you don't see and hear the effects so extremely. See image below... But compared to the UAD version, the curves are never really the same, even the small boost in the bass range is different.
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  #876
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Originally Posted by XHipHop ➡️
LOL you all EQ like this? No wonder this thread is way off. I have never see people adding individual saturation bands to eq's?

New "analog" techniques.
Its actually more realistic then just adding a saturation stage at the end of the circuit. In analog EQs the actual individual bands saturate (slightly ofc), not just some output stage.
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  #877
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Since I saw some feedback objecting to pro and hobbyist, a pro makes their living by their craft and a hobbyist either does for fun or gets some income from it.

Since GS bills itself as a forum for pros I judge a tool from time savings and desired result. Sure you can futz around making tools do things they weren’t designed to but that takes time.

Most on here are looking for effective tools whether hobbyist or pro. Complaining about marketspeak or watching videos isn’t really the point. That you have people on a new product announcement attacking the developer and opining without trying the product is nuts.

Pretty much done with this as it’s becoming a circular argument and the tool is vey good...
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  #878
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Originally Posted by BurtHanson ➡️
Its actually more realistic then just adding a saturation stage at the end of the circuit. In analog EQs the actual individual bands saturate (slightly ofc), not just some output stage.
I will someday put it in a vst wrapper and check this out. Sounds cool for sound design possibly depending on the saturation?

I had maybe 8 or 9 different hardware eq's in my hardware studio back in the day (Mid 00's), including a console, and honestly the only time they had saturation was like aphex 107, hhb /tla tube gear from the uk from the 90's, etc. Not good, but a sound for sure.

But I also didn't like crank a band most of the time on my eq's. Maybe I was doing it wrong trying to capture clean sources and then use the Logic EQ or Fabfilter later.

Maybe the EQ saturation era was before my time.

I will wrap the windows versions of the plugins you mentioned in Linux and check them out though.

More realistic or not, always looking for new ways to achieve tones in the box.
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  #879
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hi harrison - i'm using the beta that was meant to fix the undo issue in ableton but it doesn't work. Just finished a larger project and i lost use of the undo feature. It's also constantly automating the compression input meter still and seems to be messing up automation in general.

Renders it unusable for me in it's current state!
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Originally Posted by range ➡️
hi harrison - i'm using the beta that was meant to fix the undo issue in ableton but it doesn't work. Just finished a larger project and i lost use of the undo feature. It's also constantly automating the compression input meter still and seems to be messing up automation in general.

Renders it unusable for me in it's current state!
Not sure this is the right place to create support tickets
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  #881
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Not sure this is the right place to create support tickets
They answered last time but yes probably best to email.
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  #882
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I’m a little confused, I saw a bunch of people early on saying they could hear the depth/3D characteristics this plugin was adding to their sound. If this is nulling with a stock EQ that can’t be the case, right?
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  #883
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Thumbs up

Maybe they used the whole plugin, which is made up of an equalizer, filters and a compressor. What's your opinion on this plugin?

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Originally Posted by Stefan502 ➡️
I’m a little confused, I saw a bunch of people early on saying they could hear the depth/3D characteristics this plugin was adding to their sound. If this is nulling with a stock EQ that can’t be the case, right?
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  #884
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Originally Posted by luka ➡️
Maybe they used the whole plugin, which is made up of an equalizer, filters and a compressor. What's your opinion on this plugin?
I think the simplicity is what makes this plugin special. Channel strips are typically overpopulated with options.
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  #885
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I agree, I find it very simple to use it and get good results. I am also trying to understand all these comments but it is difficult to follow the threads of the discussions. Surely this plugin has triggered different reactions for different reasons.

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Originally Posted by Stefan502 ➡️
I think the simplicity is what makes this plugin special. Channel strips are typically overpopulated with options.
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  #886
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I read one guy here saying his test got the eqs to null to -70. How about on the videos? Are they getting silence or what?

Most of my hardware seem to have noise floor with less information than the difference between these two eqs nulling to -70. Some people hate noise floor while others take it into consideration as tone. I can only speak for myself but noise floor is a factor to me. Not a big factor, but I do not ignore it.

Anyway, I assume it should be hard enough to match curves even using analyzers. I guess one would also have to monitor the null values while making very fine moves in order to get it to as low as possible, but if it never gets to silence, there should be a difference. That delta can be composed of horse crap, but there is a difference. Nevertheless, it should not be advised to anyone to spend time of their lives trying to null two digital eqs to silence, unless you make money with youtube.

Regarding the marketing issue, Harrison has to accept that their choice of words is misleading to a lot of people, regardless of their intentions. They should clarify on the same paragraph that although the plugin delivers the "Harrison's True Analog sound" and "provides a complex emulation of the original Harrison 32C EQ" with "Every resistor, capacitor, and transistor is included in the model", some characteristics of analog gear such as harmonic distortion and noise floor were left out.
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  #887
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Originally Posted by tacertotambem ➡️
Regarding the marketing issue, Harrison has to accept that their choice of words is misleading to a lot of people, regardless of their intentions. They should clarify on the same paragraph that although the plugin delivers the "Harrison's True Analog sound" and "provides a complex emulation of the original Harrison 32C EQ" with "Every resistor, capacitor, and transistor is included in the model", some characteristics of analog gear such as harmonic distortion and noise floor were left out.
You could spin it any way you like, the facts are clear.
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  #888
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You could spin it any way you like, the facts are clear.
Yes, they are. There is nothing analog about the 32C Channel plugin.
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Originally Posted by Stefan502 ➡️
I’m a little confused, I saw a bunch of people early on saying they could hear the depth/3D characteristics this plugin was adding to their sound. If this is nulling with a stock EQ that can’t be the case, right?
This happens with pretty much every product release here and everywhere on the internet tbh. I wouldn't hold peoples feet to the fire on it. Everyone gets excited with a new product myself included.

Never trust peoples experience with a plugin especially, hardware you have the physical feedback but plugin experience is way more subjective. Take recommendations because it's a good way to stay abreast of the latest stuff but only trust your own testing.

There has been many a clean eq I have been enamoured with which probably came down to ease of use, good gui, quick workflow and any "musical sound", "clean sound", "rich sound" or any other sound was due to that over the filter math.

Even lately I was boosting like a mad man with a clean plugin eq because the default q was gentler than I'm used to lol, and I was opening up the plug doing a few boosts instinctively and having great fun due to the good gui. Not something I would do with a stock eq.
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  #890
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Everything is said by others here, about missleading marketing.
Back to the topic here.

I wish they would have included a gate, that would made it at least different to their Mixbus32 version & a more complete strip.
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  #891
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Originally Posted by Froom ➡️
You have the undeserved ego of Jeremy Piven, the annoying self-righteousness of Sean Penn, and the unbearable hypocrisy of Rush Limbaugh.
What a strange dog's lunch of an insult. Tell us: what ego is deserved, whose self-righteousness is soothing, and what hypocrisy is happily borne?
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  #892
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Yes, they are. There is nothing analog about the 32C Channel plugin.
Every digital EQ is digital, what's your point?
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  #893
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Wouldn’t it be so nice to have separate on/off switches for the pass filters? and the bumps?
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Originally Posted by Stefan502 ➡️
I’m a little confused, I saw a bunch of people early on saying they could hear the depth/3D characteristics this plugin was adding to their sound. If this is nulling with a stock EQ that can’t be the case, right?
People actually hear a lot of stuff when something is advertised as a product that is based upon a sound that was part of a few groundbreaking albums in the past. Additionally it is stated that every resistor, capacitor and transistor was modeled. People get excited about these things.

And then there is post-purchase rationalization and brand loyalty. Two huge factors contributing to being very defensive and overly positive about a product.

Of course, what remains is a type of workflow that leads to faster decision making or faster results. But this has nothing to do with "depth, warmth, 3D and such characteristics".
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  #895
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By the response from here, it appears that Harrison is better with adding silly (if not idiotic) noise algorithm and a simple waveshaper in the next release and that way all these self proclaimed product specialists and internet truth knights wouldn't be able to say "they are making false marketing".

Like literally that is "the thing" needed to shut down those silly confused people.

1. Make button with the label "analogue",
2. make it produce noise at the output
3. Done - you can increase your product to $199 and sell it as a next batman plugin from out of this world for the "producerz"

4. Extra cash cow tip: make high shelf bell buggy so it respond weird near Nyquist so noone can say it cramps but you Harrison can say that you modeled entirely new thing. And sell it as next gen.

Harrison - if you are really reading this - just make "ANALogue" batman features optional (read: make them so that we normal people can turn them off and continue working like the way you imagined it - clean).

Let us not discuss the fact that if you think twice we should actually praise someone like Harrison making it clean and doesn't trying to sell you a voodoo nonsense. That debate is probably on another intellectual level.
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  #896
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A digital EQ can do plenty of warmth and depth. Depth? Cut the highs selectively on different instruments. Warmth? Boost the mids. The reaper EQ can do both of these things 😀

There has been a lot of common sense in this thread, in between the other stuff.
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  #897
I'm writing and preparing a lot of tech right now for an important concert that I'm participating in as a performer, so I enjoyed reading through a few pages of opinionated chaos to take my mind off the sheer amount of prep and rehearsal coming in the next 2 weeks. Thanks

Anyway now that I'm emotionally invested I'll throw in my own thoughts.

As a heavy Mixbus user (so I use this channel strip almost every day in it's embedded form and love it), I can see a lot of utility for this. My guess is that Harrison will also go on to release the Mix bus and Master bus strips as separate plugins and that will allow Mixbus users (like myself!) to make their workflow (with the lovely saturation DSP on the Mix and Master channels) portable to other daws. This is never going to be as nice as using Mixbus if that's the sound you want, but sometimes I work in different studios and collab with different producers, so to be able to step into their DAW environment and bring my own tools with me is of GREAT utility to me. It can streamline processes, reduce technical friction and overall increase creativity and productivity.

I know a lot of people are looking for fun and novelty in plugins to add to their collections, others are interested in the nuance and accuracy of modelling and implementation. Harrison's marketing speak would probably hit these target markets wrong, and they're bigger markets than the market of existing Mixbus users and collaborators, but this isn't a finance discussion! As someone who would put myself into my self defined 'target market' though, I'm pretty happy. I was 100% sure what this plugin would be before I even read the marketing info, and that guess turned out to be totally correct. Good old Harrison with their fancy words and lovely workflows. If it'd come with some fancy new DSP that wasn't in the DAW strip, then I might have actually had something to be annoyed with. Not going to buy the thing until I need it, but it's there now if I do.

I watched Dan Worrall's video too, and although it was a brilliant piece of discussion and analysis, I felt that he also missed the point -- a fancy fleshed out compressor would be just that and that might be cool, but to me, it doesn't really catch my attention. If I was going to choose another compressor plugin aside from the one embedded on my channels, then I can choose from literally any of the existing ones.
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Originally Posted by barada ➡️
By the response from here, it appears that Harrison is better with adding silly (if not idiotic) noise algorithm and a simple waveshaper in the next release and that way all these self proclaimed product specialists and internet truth knights wouldn't be able to say "they are making false marketing".

Like literally that is "the thing" needed to shut down those silly confused people.

1. Make button with the label "analogue",
2. make it produce noise at the output
3. Done - you can increase your product to $199 and sell it as a next batman plugin from out of this world for the "producerz"

4. Extra cash cow tip: make high shelf bell buggy so it respond weird near Nyquist so noone can say it cramps but you Harrison can say that you modeled entirely new thing. And sell it as next gen.

Harrison - if you are really reading this - just make "ANALogue" batman features optional (read: make them so that we normal people can turn them off and continue working like the way you imagined it - clean).

Let us not discuss the fact that if you think twice we should actually praise someone like Harrison making it clean and doesn't trying to sell you a voodoo nonsense. That debate is probably on another intellectual level.
Very droll but the fact remains Harrison are full of **** (or their marketing department is). Dunno why that is so hard for people. I like SSL (the brand) they were also full of **** regarding their plugins. I have zero problem letting them know.

You can fanboy as much as you want, I too am a fan of different brands but when someone makes a mess I would rather they clean it up rather pretend it never happened.

"We don't need to model anything, the guy who designed the circuits works here we just ask him how he feels about it. It's all good it's all digital; you see we never believed in distortion here at Harrison. Anyway you can buy the UAD version if you want some of that nasty "CoLoR" we get paid either way! Lol!"

Expect better.
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  #899
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Originally Posted by Constant_K ➡️
Very droll but the fact remains Harrison are full of **** (or their marketing department is). Dunno why that is so hard for people. I like SSL (the brand) they were also full of **** regarding their plugins. I have zero problem letting them know.

You can fanboy as much as you want, I too am a fan of different brands but when someone makes a mess I would rather they clean it up rather pretend it never happened.

"We don't need to model anything, the guy who designed the circuits works here we just ask him how he feels about it. It's all good it's all digital; you see we never believed in distortion here at Harrison. Anyway you can buy the UAD version if you want some of that nasty "CoLoR" we get paid either way! Lol!"

Expect better.
I am fanboy

Yeah I could anticipate a lot of people would feel like you are. It's interesting how you see yourself in my quote.

I have UAD Ultimate 9 so I have that plugin. No need to buy it and you don't need to tell me what I need because I know that already.

I use my tools for what they are. Not for what some internet nobody told me it could or it should be because some marketing blurb upset them.

If I need a plugin which adds noise and saturation there are zillion of those. Free ones.

But hey if you appreciate all the shenanigans on market today knock yourself out.

I can tell you this and I challenge you to prove me otherwise: I had Mackie consoles ranging from cheap to expensive ones. I also worked on SSL consoles (yeas real consoles) which are beyond my financial status.

Without any shadow of doubt literally NONE, not a single one, not even the cheapest one exhibited such ****ty sound or a saturation that you get from the most "console" emulators or their channel strip emulations.

NONE - bar none!! I don't understand how people can suck this nonsense.

Did it ever occur to you there's a reason why for example there is NONE (zero) before and after comparison videos from the developers behind these so called console channel strips?

Tell me which console saturates or distorts like Slate Console plugin? Which one? Not even one which they supposedly emulated. I challenge you publicly to tell me which console produces such smeary nonsense when driven?

Which SSL console distorts like Plugin Alliance models? None! You'll say: but PA people have SSL licenses. It must have the same sound. Well no it isn't. It's called business.

The only company which ever produced before and after for that "console" sound was actually SSL with their summing products. And you know what, most of the people couldn't tell the difference. Not because it wasn't there, it was. But most of the public couldn't tell the difference because they didn't know what to listen for.

And so there is a viable idea that perhaps "console sound" doesn't come from "capacitors" or "crosstalk" or TMT haha. It comes from the tools inside of them. Those tools are what you are getting from the Harrison plugin. But this is higher science for online product specialists.

Yes sure I can take my Equilibrium and recreate the curve. But I must be a complete moron to waste my time on that. And then to go on the internet and to tell everyone else that they should work the same way.

No, I load the plugin, tweak a little and it's there. Move on.
That "it's there" is what I am paying for. I won't be upset if some youtube shmuck said he could recreate it with Equilibrium. I knew that already. It would be very sad by now for anyone in this business to not know at least so little about EQ software technology to realize that any EQ could get you there.

With the Harrison plugin I am paying for fast workflow = my time. So you see at the end of a day I am paying to get more time for my work and free time in my life and you all can play with your ReaEQ, match it to Harrison or whatever and blurb on the internet hahahaha..What a waste.
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  #900
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Btw if someone is in console saturation and summing I am providing friendly advice. Don't waste time on testing all of them just purchase Sonimus Britson or Satson.

When it comes to price, performance and that sound - well these are among the best ones and their price is silly. Combine that with Harrison and you have "capacitor" sound and platinum hit ( a little irony).

No seriously I am not joking, I have pretty much all console or summing plugins here and none almost all of them sounds really bad but my suggestion based on my experience is that Sonimus should be considered if you are looking to add another color to your ITB production. And no, Sonimus plugins won't turn your mixes in mushy fetish. These are actually convincing console emulators.
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