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I’ve been using S1 since 2012 exclusively and have always been it’s biggest cheerleader but after this last update, 5.3, it’s completely unusable. I’m at a loss of what to do. It stutters, it’s sounds robotic, the mix screen flashes in and out every second. The CPU is down but it sounds like I have every plugin under the sun activated on 100 tracks. It just doesn’t work. I’ve uninstalled and updated drivers and I’m not sure what else to do. Anyone else?
Here on Catalina 10.15.7, I'm definitely not getting all those crazy bugs.
The main issues are the high CPU load and the occasional crash - however I've still not been able to figure out if the crashes are due to some incompatibility with something else in my system. Amongst other things I'm using Softube C1 and C1 Fader - great but not so stable even with other DAWs, a UAD Octo, a Metric Halo ULN-8 connected via ethernet. and a Maschine Mk3 used as a hardware midi expander, which seems to be responsible for some of the instability.
My computer is a Mac Pro trash can 2.7 GHz 12-Core, which is in many ways one of the worst Macs I've used. The measly 4 USB ports on just one buss force me to use a plethora of hubs, which lead to connection problems, which make troubleshooting more difficult.

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What OS?
Windows 10. I'm really at a loss. It's been about a week now and I've gotten nowhere. Not a single session is usable. I wonder if the plugins I use are no longer compatible? I dunno man. Now Universal Control is acting up too.
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Windows 10. I'm really at a loss. It's been about a week now and I've gotten nowhere. Not a single session is usable. I wonder if the plugins I use are no longer compatible? I dunno man. Now Universal Control is acting up too.
Does it only act weird with a session with plugins loaded? Or also on a clean session with nothing in there but stock plugins?

If it is only with VSTs loaded, you might need to do a clean scan of your plugins by opening the plugin manager and at the right bottom choose 'remove plugin settings'. After that it will restart S1 and start a clean plugin scan.

For me that fixes any issue 99% of the times when I have issues with S1.

Flashing of the screen though, might also indicate a graphic driver/card issue.
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Originally Posted by ChemtrailDan ➡️
I’ve been using S1 since 2012 exclusively and have always been it’s biggest cheerleader but after this last update, 5.3, it’s completely unusable. I’m at a loss of what to do. It stutters, it’s sounds robotic, the mix screen flashes in and out every second. The CPU is down but it sounds like I have every plugin under the sun activated on 100 tracks. It just doesn’t work. I’ve uninstalled and updated drivers and I’m not sure what else to do. Anyone else?
Are you using MixFX on the busses/Master? I have CTC-1 and need to make sure that I have passthrough turned OFF or it increases the CPU hit dramatically to the point of not being useable as no amount of buffer adjustment or dropout protection helps.
https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=21961
I really like the console shaper/ctc-1and would like to try a couple of the new flavors they have for it (Alpine Desk and Brit Console).
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There's no such thing as a post fader insert. Technically that would just be a bus. So sure, if you want to create a bus after every single track, throw on their width plugin, then I guess that's a "workaround".
Cubase, Nuendo, Ardour, Mixbus have post fader inserts. And it ROCKS!
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Cubase, Nuendo, Ardour, Mixbus have post fader inserts. And it ROCKS!
Studio One does too, but only on the master fader.
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Cubase, Nuendo, Ardour, Mixbus have post fader inserts. And it ROCKS!
And Cubase allows you to edit the starting point of Pre/Post all 16 inserts since version 9.5 (64bit).
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And Cubase allows you to edit the starting point of Pre/Post all 16 inserts since version 9.5 (64bit).
Yes that’s where I stick all my console plugs.
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+1 for post-fader inserts on all channels to make it practical to use Airwindows Console in S1. The only way to use it now is to make individual sends for every channel.
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I seem to be very much in the minority here but 5.3 is working much more efficiently (Win 10 64gb ram) than Cubase 11.
I had pretty much binned Studio One when V5 came out as Cubase was so much better (no stutters, dropouts etc) but I fired up 5.3 yesterday and it was like butter - zero latency vocals and guitar even with plugins that add latency in Cubase. Plus I was using CTC-1 (which I've always loved).

After reading through this thread, I'm almost embarrassed how well my copy is running.
I still use Cubase as my main DAW as I'm used to it (and I've invested so much cash over the years) and tbf I've got a load of busses and FX channels in my Cubase template that I haven't replicardc in S1 - but right now 5.3 is my guilty pleasure and so quick to get song ideas down.
I dunno why this version is running so smoothly esp as the release notes don't mention any engine optimisations but if it stays like this I can see myself using Cubase less and less.
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Originally Posted by eagle007 ➡️
I love Studio One, and have used most other DAW's. I'm on a Mac, so cannot reflect any experiences about Windows.
In general, Studio One is great and for me it has the best workflow options of all DAW's. Sure, there are some things I'd personally would like to see different, but those are no show stoppers.

For me these are the lack of obviously different colours on tracks (every color is dimmed, having no way to really make any channel stand out. And dimmed, all shades look the same), lack of decent color options for the grid (very hard to make beats and bars really differ). And sometimes I wish the sends would have popup fader windows for more precision and value input. Would allow them to be a bit smaller on screen estate too. And being able to have empty placeholders for sends and inserts so you could align certain send over the mixer. But this is comes from my previous experience with ProTools.

However, Studio One, ever since version 4, has some 'major' issues with the audio engine. I have been experiencing quite some stability issues. As a seasoned developer, specialised in optimising and debugging, I was able to pin down the issues and largely work around them. Unfortunately, I work on a Hackintosh machine, so Presonus is not willing to take in my bug reports. I do understand this in general, but I'm talking about 100% reproducible issues, which I also experienced on my previous machine, which was a genuine Apple.

Most of the instability comes from an issue in the plugin manager. I experience it with the Waves bundle all the time. Every time I do an update of Waves, S1 becomes unstable. Random crashes, crashed at loading projects, crashes when removing tracks. This all goes back to stable if I do a clean plugin rescan while clearing the plugin cache. This can be done by clicking 'remove plug-in settings' in the plugin manager, which will keep your own settings and presets in tact. So, to me, the naming of that button is confusing. The fact that a clean rescan fixes the stability issues, proves it's not my hardware.

In my case it is always caused by plugins which both have a VST2.4 and VST3 version with the same internal ID. Studio One then hides the VST2 version and only show the VST3. But, assuming from the random crashes it causes, something gets mixed up there. For me it's 100% repeatable, and I even had a project recent, where I had to disable and enable all plugins to force a reload of the plugins in the session for S1 to become stable again after some plugin updates. In this case, the crashes locked my machine and rebooted it. Took me nearly two weeks to figure out how to fix it.

Another topic lots of people complaint about, is performance. And there are some very simple tests that show Studio One handles every single audio path from input to output as single thread. So it might be that you have just a few plugins running, plenty of CPU power to spare and still have performance spikes as the whole audio path is processed in a single thread. Making such a path multithreaded isn't the easiest thing to do though.

A simple test also shows how in-efficient the Studio One mixer is: put some process heavy plugins on your master bus. For me a UAD SSL-G and precision limiter will do just fine. Then create an instrument track of 2 to 3 minutes with some data on it. Just a simple note at the beginning and end will do. Here comes the test:

Transform the instrument to audio with the plugins on the master enabled. Then undo, disable the plugins on the master and do the same. For me it's a magnitude faster when the master plugins are disabled. So Studio One is processing the plugins on the master while they are not even in the processing chain. This not only goes for the master fader, but for every bus in Studio One. My guess is, it has to do with the mixFX, but it makes no sense.

Also bouncing a 2-track in Studio One, on average runs at 1.3 times realtime (using a lot UAD). On Protools this runs about 3 to 4 times faster on my system.

Knowing that the clearing of the plugin cache fixes issue 9/10 and having to wait 1 to 2 minutes for a bounce is not the end of the world, the workflow benefits in Studio One largely outweighs these issues. And every update it's getting better. Although there still is a lot of room for improvement, especially in plugin handling and performance.
Hey eagle007, I remember reading where to find the 'remove plug-in settings' but can't find where you wrote it or where to find it in S1. Please let me know where to find that setting. I'll write it down in one of my notes. I'm running into plugin issues and am hopeful that will fix it. Thanks!
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Anybody move from Reaper to S1?
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Anybody move from Reaper to S1?
I have switched from Reaper to S1 and like Studio One far better. Reaper is really powerful daw, but it is quite complicated to set up, it's a tweakers daw. I found myself always tweaking stuff and not getting anything done. You always needed at least a youtube video to figure stuff out. S1 on the other hand is really inspiring to work on, and all the features are just there, you don't need a manual to find a feature. Workflow is superb. Only thing I like Reaper better is CPU handling.
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I have switched from Reaper to S1 and like Studio One far better. Reaper is really powerful daw, but it is quite complicated to set up, it's a tweakers daw. I found myself always tweaking stuff and not getting anything done. You always needed at least a youtube video to figure stuff out. S1 on the other hand is really inspiring to work on, and all the features are just there, you don't need a manual to find a feature. Workflow is superb. Only thing I like Reaper better is CPU handling.
Are you doing live tracking (like tape machine) or production with lots of virtual instruments ? (I do tracking)
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Hey eagle007, I remember reading where to find the 'remove plug-in settings' but can't find where you wrote it or where to find it in S1. Please let me know where to find that setting. I'll write it down in one of my notes. I'm running into plugin issues and am hopeful that will fix it. Thanks!
It's in the plugin manager, you have to open a .song, press f5 to open the browser on the right, go to the first tab, and the button for the plugin manager is at the bottom.

Or, I believe you can find it under the view menu.

Then in the plugin manager it's in the bottom right.
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Are you doing live tracking (like tape machine) or production with lots of virtual instruments ? (I do tracking)
Mostly mixing and mastering, but a little bit of production and tracking also. You can track with literally no latency when low latency mode is engaged. Though, it depends on your overall system also.. and having PreSonus Quantum interface certainly helps.
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Studio One is the easiest DAW to use ever. When I finally had it with Pro Tools and never wanted to deal with Avid again, The main reason I chose Studio One is that you can use it without ever studying how to use it. All the basic functions are drag and drop. You can use it right away and just pick up tricks as you go. You don't have to do any serious study if you don't want to. From day one you can complete a project from start to finish without any down time. It's pretty cool for people who want to switch but don't want to have to spend years learning a new DAW.
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Hey eagle007, I remember reading where to find the 'remove plug-in settings' but can't find where you wrote it or where to find it in S1. Please let me know where to find that setting. I'll write it down in one of my notes. I'm running into plugin issues and am hopeful that will fix it. Thanks!
Please find attached an image of the plugin manager with the button marked. The plugin-manager is under the 'View' menu at the top of your screen (or window).
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Please find attached an image of the plugin manager with the button marked. The plugin-manager is under the 'View' menu at the top of your screen (or window).
Thank you! Amazingly I didn't know S1 had a plugin manager. In Cubase I used it all the time but whenever I heard reference to it in S1 my brain hopped over it and went directly to the effects tab in the browser. I have found it and will use it now. I wish it had a bit more power, for example, I'd like to be able to remove/disable plugins directly from there so they don't appear in the browser. Baby steps.
I'd still love to be able solo a buss and have only the active channels in the buss soloed rather than every single channel (even if muted and hidden). Or the ability to go back to the start of a measure when hitting the back a measure key rather than the previous measure. Or the weird issues I get with the first reverb fx channel. Lots of little issues that make me feel its just not quite there yet. Maybe its my computer (Mac pro 2013 6 core) - I love the computer but have noticed weird things with other DAWs I never had with my 2014 MBP. When I get an M1 my fingers are crossed I don't get these issues.
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Anybody move from Reaper to S1?
I did the other way around, S1 is a terrible regarding CPU handling. I can speak only OSX here. There must be something wrong with their source code, they are not able to deliver a fix on this since years! I don´t care, stopped using it never looked back.
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TI wish it had a bit more power, for example, I'd like to be able to remove/disable plugins directly from there so they don't appear in the browser.
You can, by clicking the dots in front of the names, and filter on brands, types and searches. So actually it is quite powerful. You can also hide plugins directly from the browser by right-clicking in the context menu.

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Lots of little issues that make me feel its just not quite there yet. Maybe its my computer (Mac pro 2013 6 core) - I love the computer but have noticed weird things with other DAWs I never had with my 2014 MBP. When I get an M1 my fingers are crossed I don't get these issues.
Some things just work slightly different. Has nothing to do with your computer, just different ideas and workflows you need to get accustomed to.
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I did the other way around, S1 is a terrible regarding CPU handling. I can speak only OSX here. There must be something wrong with their source code, they are not able to deliver a fix on this since years! I don´t care, stopped using it never looked back.
That's interesting, without a dual buffer engine, I would never be able to use Reaper because of CPU handling...horses for courses.

One thing people don't often realize with ZLM, is you can have the main interface buffer set high, but the 'dropout protection' set lower than that, and actually get worse performance than you would get with disabling ZLM all together. If using buffers of 256 or above, it's probably best to disable dropout protection (set it to minimum). Presonus could stand to clean this up.

On my machines (hacks and win), with all else set the same and ZLM off, Reaper does edge out S1 at the same buffer size in terms of voices/instances, but only by a few %.

The big thing with S1 is that the low latency side of ZLM is single core only. It's works awesome on my 5950x, but even the 7980xe struggles.
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That's interesting, without a dual buffer engine, I would never be able to use Reaper because of CPU handling...horses for courses.

One thing people don't often realize with ZLM, is you can have the main interface buffer set high, but the 'dropout protection' set lower than that, and actually get worse performance than you would get with disabling ZLM all together. If using buffers of 256 or above, it's probably best to disable dropout protection (set it to minimum). Presonus could stand to clean this up.

On my machines (hacks and win), with all else set the same and ZLM off, Reaper does edge out S1 at the same buffer size in terms of voices/instances, but only by a few %.

The big thing with S1 is that the low latency side of ZLM is single core only. It's works awesome on my 5950x, but even the 7980xe struggles.
What are you using now in Studio One for both buffers?

As ever since 5.3, I'm struggling to get it ok. Nearly all of my synths now have CPU spikes. If I increase the buffer protection from disabled to medium, CPU usage triples.

I started to think there was something wrong with my CPU, which is a 9900K at 4.7Ghz on a hack.
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What are you using now in Studio One for both buffers?

As ever since 5.3, I'm struggling to get it ok. Nearly all of my synths now have CPU spikes. If I increase the buffer protection from disabled to medium, CPU usage triples.

I started to think there was something wrong with my CPU, which is a 9900K at 4.7Ghz on a hack.
I didn't upgrade my hacks (7980xe) to 5.3 yet, did you start to have issues at 5.3? I'll check it out. I've mostly been using S1 on the 5950x system.

On my 5950x/w10 rig, I never have to raise the buffer above 32 samples (or 64 for 96k). The dropout protection I move around a little when projects get big, but I only really need to mess with it for projects at 96k- but I'm rarely having to change any buffer/dropout settings so I kinda just forget about it. That processor is a game-changer for low latency audio.
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I’m keeping up with this thread to weigh the merits of using S1 for a church I work at and for a couple of other volunteer organizations I work with.

I’m trying to wade the waters here. I’m not trying to compliment or insult anyone or any daw, but on the one hand I hear how intuitive s1 is and how you can just start working without reading a manual. THIS IS HUGE FOR VOLUNTEERS. However, the other half of the posts are people having issues with performance and people not finding various aspects of the program intuitive (plugin manager, complicated ZLM (whatever that means) and dual buffer settings which seemingly cause amazing or terrible performance based on different combinations of these buffer settings!

So is s1 amazingly intuitive and just works out of the box with a stock apple computer (let’s just limit ourselves to intel chips for now so we don’t have a bunch of posts about architecture), with plugins like fab filter, waves, Arturia, black rooster, altiverb etc., or are there a fair number of options with complex settings you need to tweak and constantly be aware of to get great performance??? I really want to know!!!

S1 has some great features, especially for its price point! I personally love Nuendo and will probably never ditch it for anything else, but it’s too expensive and complex to recommend to organizations that rely heavily on volunteers and need a broad feature set without the steeper learning curve, depth and complexity of the Cubendo feature set.

Really interested!

-B

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You can, by clicking the dots in front of the names, and filter on brands, types and searches. So actually it is quite powerful. You can also hide plugins directly from the browser by right-clicking in the context menu.



Some things just work slightly different. Has nothing to do with your computer, just different ideas and workflows you need to get accustomed to.
I appreciate the expertise, tips, and genuine spirit of betterment your posts offer. I always love learning about hidden gems etc. I'm aware of those things but my post was a jumble of thoughts and rants without being very clear. For example, I'd love if in the plugin manager unclicking a brand name would remove all the plugins from being included in the browser.

I won't try and clarify all my rambling, I'll just say I love S1 and hope I can find a way to minimize the seemingly plugin-related issues I get (rescanning didn't help) so I can continue to use it. I've had to step away for stability reasons but I'm plagued with constant thoughts of how S1 handles things in a better way than Logic (for me).
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I’m keeping up with this thread to weigh the merits of using S1 for a church I work at and for a couple of other volunteer organizations I work with.

I’m trying to wade the waters here. I’m not trying to compliment or insult anyone or any daw, but on the one hand I hear how intuitive s1 is and how you can just start working without reading a manual. THIS IS HUGE FOR VOLUNTEERS. However, the other half of the posts are people having issues with performance and people not finding various aspects of the program intuitive (plugin manager, complicated ZLM (whatever that means) and dual buffer settings which seemingly cause amazing or terrible performance based on different combinations of these buffer settings!

So is s1 amazingly intuitive and just works out of the box with a stock apple computer (let’s just limit ourselves to intel chips for now so we don’t have a bunch of posts about architecture), with plugins like fab filter, waves, Arturia, black rooster, altiverb etc., or are there a fair number of options with complex settings you need to tweak and constantly be aware of to get great performance??? I really want to know!!!

S1 has some great features, especially for its price point! I personally love Nuendo and will probably never ditch it for anything else, but it’s too expensive and complex to recommend to organizations that rely heavily on volunteers and need a broad feature set without the depth and complexity of the Cubendo feature set.

Really interested!

-B
I use S1 with a bunch of artists doing a development program via remote/zoom and whatever computer they have. For this type of setup I think the best bet is the revelator/Studio 192 system where you get DSP monitoring and sync to S1 via Fat Channel.

ZLM is just presonus' version of ASIO guard. It works fairly well for me, but I think this area kindof highlights that low-latency native monitoring is IMO, an area that's probably better left to an actual engineer for most computers. If I could guarantee that my development clients had a well setup 5950x or maybe M1, I might consider native monitoring...but with a sort-of a variety of computers IMO S1 + revelator is about as close to the idiot proofness and ease of use of HD/HDX monitoring without the price as you can get.

Case in point, on all my systems, the Black Rooster Audio plugins are prone to glitches at lower buffer settings. Much more so than most other plugin brands and I start getting issues with those with way lower CPU usage than Arturia or FF. Arturia are great, but many have self-latency- one nice feature in S1 is any plugin will auto-bypass when the track is armed and the plugin has more than 3ms of self latency.

All of that, though is a space I prefer not to navigate with anyone who isn't actually passionate about learning to be an engineer.
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I didn't upgrade my hacks (7980xe) to 5.3 yet, did you start to have issues at 5.3? I'll check it out. I've mostly been using S1 on the 5950x system.

On my 5950x/w10 rig, I never have to raise the buffer above 32 samples (or 64 for 96k). The dropout protection I move around a little when projects get big, but I only really need to mess with it for projects at 96k- but I'm rarely having to change any buffer/dropout settings so I kinda just forget about it. That processor is a game-changer for low latency audio.
It might have been already in 5.2, not 100% sure, but it definitely is worse since I'm on 5.3.

Initially I thought it was the upgraded version of the synths in Arturia V8 (upgraded from 7), but it also happens with the UVI Piano's. Also my PBass from Ample Sound now uses 8 to 9% CPU, while that was way lower before.

A lot of my VSTi's are now unusable due the spikes, which cause pops and crackles.

I really hope Apple will hurry a bit with the new next gen M-processor systems, so I can finally upgrade to genuine Apple again.
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I’m keeping up with this thread to weigh the merits of using S1 for a church I work at and for a couple of other volunteer organizations I work with.

I’m trying to wade the waters here. I’m not trying to compliment or insult anyone or any daw, but on the one hand I hear how intuitive s1 is and how you can just start working without reading a manual. THIS IS HUGE FOR VOLUNTEERS. However, the other half of the posts are people having issues with performance and people not finding various aspects of the program intuitive (plugin manager, complicated ZLM (whatever that means) and dual buffer settings which seemingly cause amazing or terrible performance based on different combinations of these buffer settings!

So is s1 amazingly intuitive and just works out of the box with a stock apple computer (let’s just limit ourselves to intel chips for now so we don’t have a bunch of posts about architecture), with plugins like fab filter, waves, Arturia, black rooster, altiverb etc., or are there a fair number of options with complex settings you need to tweak and constantly be aware of to get great performance??? I really want to know!!!

S1 has some great features, especially for its price point! I personally love Nuendo and will probably never ditch it for anything else, but it’s too expensive and complex to recommend to organizations that rely heavily on volunteers and need a broad feature set without the steeper learning curve, depth and complexity of the Cubendo feature set.

Really interested!

-B
My advice would be to go for Studio One if you have a strong CPU. You only get unmanageable issues when using heavy duty instruments. So try it. It is very good. But.

The real problem is that the fercocta CPU handling occurs to people who aren't using a second DAW on the same platform. So too many users just accept the Studio One CPU limitations with a shrug and a 'I guess that's how it is'. This CPU issue has persisted at least since S1 3 and Presonus are not going to fix it until there's a large scale uprising among the user base. So if you get on board with S1, you need to be banging on the castle drawbridge back in Baton Rouge, because until the pitchforks and torches gather outside, Frankenstein's going keep on dealing with other issues.
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