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Old 7th June 2021 | Show parent
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why this test is on windows 7 with a computer from 2014 and very old cpu?
is it possible some drivers take advantage of new os capabilities and cpu instructions sets?
anyway this system is not comparable to almost anybody's system today.
I understand the value of compering new test to old ones but it's possible results will be different on a more modern machines.
worth checking out...
Windows 7 is obsolete. Doing the test on a old computer might be a good way to see any difference. However thinks have happen over year. But the missing part is the resources that a consumed. What memory pressure does it cause, how long is irq disabled, how many cpu cycles a used. This thinks is of course very hard to measure.
Old 7th June 2021
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Why did they reduce the midi output to only 1 bus instead of the previous 2 busses ?
That's a step back
Old 7th June 2021 | Show parent
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Why did they reduce the midi output to only 1 bus instead of the previous 2 busses ?
That's a step back
i can understand why they took out the wc in but midi is totally usable, i was surprised by this too
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Originally Posted by hacid ➡️
why this test is on windows 7 with a computer from 2014 and very old cpu?
is it possible some drivers take advantage of new os capabilities and cpu instructions sets?
Because people have test bed like this and they did measurements with it. In 2018-2019 it was prime time Chipset/CPU. Some research: c612 was announced in 2014 and first systems appeared in 2015 and it's Xenon chipset so it's perfect for what it was.

Mind to share details of os capabilities and cpu instruction sets you're talking about )) ?
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Because people have test bed like this and they did measurements with it. In 2018-2019 it was prime time Chipset/CPU. Some research: c612 was announced in 2014 and first systems appeared in 2015 and it's Xenon chipset so it's perfect for what it was.

Mind to share details of os capabilities and cpu instruction sets you're talking about )) ?
seems logical some things changed since windows7 and i7 920 regarding pcie thunderbolt, maybe not, i asked if it's possible and that is worth checking out. if you know more about this subject feel free to elaborate,
you confused me with someone that knows you feisty one
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Originally Posted by hacid ➡️
seems logical some things changed since windows7 and i7 920 regarding pcie thunderbolt, maybe not, i asked if it's possible and that is worth checking out. if you know more about this subject feel free to elaborate,
you confused me with someone that knows you feisty one
I doubt somebody is using PICE Thunderbolt because audio data rates are low. PICE Thunderbolt would only increase latency but would allow bigger throughput and it's targeted to things like eGPUs and Displays but they also have different latency expectations. So there are no news here.
There is nice explanation next to the table of why they RME is getting low latency and also I don't think TB, USB would ever reach PCIe latency but 0.4-0.6 ms of difference is good enough to not think about it.
Old 9th June 2021
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I recently bought an RME ADI-2 2 DAC (basically pro version with just DAC&headphone amp), however I'm thinking of selling it and just buying this. I'm just using the ADI-2 DAC as my interface right now, then switching to my 100$ audient id4 to record vocals/guitars

Would I miss the sound quality of RME ADI-2 DAC/Headphone amp? Or will this basically sound the same?
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Originally Posted by konokoknk ➡️
I recently bought an RME ADI-2 2 DAC (basically pro version with just DAC&headphone amp), however I'm thinking of selling it and just buying this. I'm just using the ADI-2 DAC as my interface right now, then switching to my 100$ audient id4 to record vocals/guitars

Would I miss the sound quality of RME ADI-2 DAC/Headphone amp? Or will this basically sound the same?
The UCX II announcement came out while I was awaiting delivery on a UCX (I actually laughed out loud when I saw it in my inbox). So I asked US support (who have been amazing) about availability and they said there would be a few units this fall, but like everywhere else, there are supply chain issues, so if I needed something now, I should stick with the UCX. YMMV.

If the converters are worse than MOTU’s latest, well, congrats to MOTU because the UCX already sounds amazing. And I am liking the headphone amp.

Also, for the people complaining about line lumps: it does mean the unit can get more power and more stable power than via USB power. Especially useful for extra clean gain on mic pres. I actually tested the difference on my Babyface (original) and plugged into a power supply there was more clean gain than with USB power. It was plainly audible at higher gain settings.
Old 9th June 2021
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there should be no differences with babyface and external power supply. the power supply is there to use in stand alone mode only.
maybe you have some power issue with your usb ports on your computer or with your babyface. if you can share a recording of this it can be very interesting.
some other interface may be effected by external power supply, some even must have it for phantom power like the audient

i can understand the logic in using the new connection just to save the use of external power supply for a mobile interface. it worked nicely with the fireface 400 (that was bus powered) but if I'm not mistaken the ucx still needed a power supply when the firewire was used? maybe the dsp needs much more power...
my guess rme knows all that and made the most reasonable choice, but from my experience if you ask them don't expect detailed answer
Old 11th June 2021 | Show parent
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Power supply was not needed with firewire.
Old 12th June 2021 | Show parent
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The truth is, all modern converter chips sound the same and the earth is flat.
One of those statements is correct.

Old 13th June 2021 | Show parent
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How will this sound compared to the Babyface Pro FS or UFXII? The specs of the unit meet my needs but I didn't think the UCX was as good sound wise as the other units? ....
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How will this sound compared to the Babyface Pro FS or UFXII? The specs of the unit meet my needs but I didn't think the UCX was as good sound wise as the other units? ....
Not used any Babyfaces, merely noting the old industry saying that anything that needs to call itself 'Pro' probably isn't, but soundwise you're getting straight gain-on-a-wire from the inputs and solid digital/analog conversion.
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Not used any Babyfaces, merely noting the old industry saying that anything that needs to call itself 'Pro' probably isn't, but soundwise you're getting straight gain-on-a-wire from the inputs and solid digital/analog conversion.
I was under the impression that the Babyface Pro is very pro sounding .... indistinguishable from the latest UFX series.
Old 21st June 2021
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I'm a little baffled by the lack of avb considering RME has all those new wonderful avb converters and pre-amps. The 12mic is an amazing piece of kit. I was hoping to make a system with the 12mic as my floating pre-amp/stage box with the UCX II as my main interface/DAC/totalmix controller. Unless I am mistaken, the only way to do this with current gear would be to get a UFX+ and a 12mic (using MADI) or get a DigiFace AVB with a 12mic and some kind of avb DAC.
Old 24th June 2021 | Show parent
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Not used any Babyfaces, merely noting the old industry saying that anything that needs to call itself 'Pro' probably isn't, but soundwise you're getting straight gain-on-a-wire from the inputs and solid digital/analog conversion.
Yeah definitely nothing pro about RME

Where do you people come up with this stuff.
Old 2 weeks ago | Show parent
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Anymore feedback about how this sounds compared to the Babyface Pro FS ... specs are not quite as good but would you even hear it.
Old 2 weeks ago
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I don't think it's shipping yet.
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Anymore feedback about how this sounds compared to the Babyface Pro FS ... specs are not quite as good but would you even hear it.
It’s not even available for preorder in the USA. I have the babyface pro FS and it is the best interface I’ve had so far after using quantum 2, Apollo x6 and a twin quad mkii. Converter chips aren’t created equal. RME win in my experience unless you want unison tech

I’m very interested in the ucx II. Can this be bus powered from a computer? Can anyone dive further into the DURec function and how it works in detail? This function seems to compete directly with sound devices mixpre series and would really be killer to a mobile set up.

Thanks

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Old 2 weeks ago
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I read some of you were complaining about no TB 3/4 and some were defending USB.

Here’s my take on it, it’s not needed but it’s truly mandatory in the professional world. Any interface that takes up its input shouldn’t be a contender to a major business. If you do like professional voice over work I’ll give you that, but if you do that or just rap or whatever and don’t have the capabilities to expand to all scopes of work around post or music or whatever it’s a bad look.

Pro tools HDX can get a lot of IO out of one card but you can simply connect a smaller interface to it if you want. But you have the capabilities to expand that’s why Avid is the standard.

That’s why I believe if you’re going to go external it should have 2 thunderbolt ports and have the ability to add more of those devices which I why I don’t like Carbon.

I’m sure this is great but it’s no more than a project studio or hobby studio high end device. It competes with the expectations sure but it’s no where near being a standard to follow.
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I read some of you were complaining about no TB 3/4 and some were defending USB.

Here’s my take on it, it’s not needed but it’s truly mandatory in the professional world. Any interface that takes up its input shouldn’t be a contender to a major business. If you do like professional voice over work I’ll give you that, but if you do that or just rap or whatever and don’t have the capabilities to expand to all scopes of work around post or music or whatever it’s a bad look.

Pro tools HDX can get a lot of IO out of one card but you can simply connect a smaller interface to it if you want. But you have the capabilities to expand that’s why Avid is the standard.

That’s why I believe if you’re going to go external it should have 2 thunderbolt ports and have the ability to add more of those devices which I why I don’t like Carbon.

I’m sure this is great but it’s no more than a project studio or hobby studio high end device. It competes with the expectations sure but it’s no where near being a standard to follow.
So you mean if I'm running something like Skywalker Sound, I shouldn't use a portable RME interface as my only conversion?
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Originally Posted by Ox Han ➡️
Can anyone dive further into the DURec function and how it works in detail? This function seems to compete directly with sound devices mixpre series and would really be killer to a mobile set up.

Thanks
Durec is pretty simple and efficient (using an UFX+ here).
You plug in your USB key. Then you can either select the recorded channels with the interface (going channel by channel, there is a parameter called record ON/OFF) or very quickly with the TOTALMIX interface.

After the setup, you just go to the record menu and press 1 button to start recording (or playback).

This video describes the whole process, and even the batch processing to get the files afterwards in your computer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTx3kaRTJYM

The whole thing is really solid, and i never had any problem when recording gigs. Even love this for rehearsals, cause the band can hear themselves again very quickly to check if everything is alright.
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Originally Posted by Penguino ➡️
Durec is pretty simple and efficient (using an UFX+ here).
You plug in your USB key. Then you can either select the recorded channels with the interface (going channel by channel, there is a parameter called record ON/OFF) or very quickly with the TOTALMIX interface.

After the setup, you just go to the record menu and press 1 button to start recording (or playback).

This video describes the whole process, and even the batch processing to get the files afterwards in your computer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTx3kaRTJYM

The whole thing is really solid, and i never had any problem when recording gigs. Even love this for rehearsals, cause the band can hear themselves again very quickly to check if everything is alright.
Thanks!
Question: when you say “USB key” you mean it could be a thumb drive (what the video seems to show too, but perhaps it’s some to big else?)

Either way, That’s pretty awesome. I might have to swap the bfp fs for the new ucx 2.
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So you mean if I'm running something like Skywalker Sound, I shouldn't use a portable RME interface as my only conversion?
The conversion is fine, above average. I’m mainly speaking on the TB, Dante, AVB and PCIE protocols. Also if working with a company within an office space or from home sure it’s fine as well. Can’t trash on USB without offending someone these days. I’m not super familiar with usb4 but if it can send and return data on multiple devices through daisy chaining that’s great. No reason why a single usb device in 2021 and beyond shouldn’t have a C port instead regardless of needed speed. C is universal and should be used regardless.
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Looks like a strong contender to replace my Fireface UC, which I‘ve been running since the hardware beta test. So if the UC ever dies…. my surround room will get this. And how long do you think that will take? My Digi-96 still works fine if I was usin it .

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FYI Sweetwater told me they're expecting these to ship mid-September.
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USD retail is out $1,499.
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Love RME. Just the best.
Except when you have to go investigating their analogue i/o specs and realize you gotta account for control room and headphones eating up those stereo outputs.
Makes me feel poor.
Old 1 week ago
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I pre-ordered one (in Europe) on June 25th with an expected delivery time of week 34. (August 23-29)
After a week it got pushed to week 36. (September 6-12)
A week after that it got pushed to week 37. (September 13-19)
Yesterday I received an e-mail it's pushed to week 3, 2022 (January 17-23)
According to RME they started shipping them out this week so we'll have to see but I'm glad my old interface is still working.. (although the ucxII will sadly be too late for a surround job I've got lined up)
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Originally Posted by easyrider ➡️
I do agree that a interface costing 1000 plus should not have a adaptor
As someone who previously had a Fireface 800, a common problem they had was that the internal power supply would fail(twice for me in 11 or 12 years) this repair cost about $200 each time(with a 2 - 3 week repair turnaround time + shipping charges). Replacing a dead wall-wart takes about a minute and cost less than $20.
I totally prefer not having an internal power supply. The unit is very small so I’m sure not having an internal power supply also reduces the possibility of heat related issues.
I love my UCX that replaced the Fireface, it sounds better and it doesn’t have an internal power supply!

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