Acustica intros Sienna: ‘The’ headphone mixing plugin you were waiting for
by AcusticaSupport   4 weeks ago

I don't remember so much speculation for a new Acustica product!

Let's try it ...

No Audeze LCD-1?

Sienna is no use to me without the LCD-1 profile.

A good idea might be to support Tonebooster's morphit and Sonarworks reference.

I was hoping for something more common instead of profiles for headphones. I don't have well known ear buds so I think I can skip the demo.

it would not work

they are on the way... I think on next week

how does dsoniq do it then?
is your correction dynamic?
would't it still work to a lesser degree then?

Excellent!

I would like to know the limitations of "Trial mode".

Is it time? Features? Saving presets?

Time is cool, anything else I find limits my ability to give a fair trial.

Not that it has my headphones yet anyway...

i'll say more deeper thoughts once i've tried it more..but

I've got Dsoniq Realphones.. just tried this for a few minutes.. Won't say which is better overall, especially for mixing, because i've only started toying with guru version.. it's pretty deep... But I've bought sienna.. for one overlooked application i think.. the rooms sound amazing to listen to music just for pure MUSICAL ENJOYMENT... i think that's one thing i can say is better about this.. the rooms sound a more alive.. god damn it almost feels like air is moving through the god damned headphones.. ESPECIALLY THE BASS.. i can in a much more tactile way work with the kick drum for instance.. can hear that compression working on it easier.. noice

i';m not a pro tweaker with realphones though.. but out of the box. sienna wins on the realness of the rooms..really nice work here Acustica!!!! trippin balls with this sound..


btw: im using audio technica 50x and sony mdr 7509

They have a very different approach than we do.
Our algorithm insists on certain frequencies where the headphones are very sensitive, and we have to manage the correction so that they are particularly efficient in certain areas.
I've already written a post, but there's also going to be a little book next week, where we go into detail about the problem.
Room emulation for example needs a particular content in the low frequencies to emulate a subwoofer. Some headphones can't handle that amount, others can. So it is not only a problem of the curve but also of what the headphone can deliver without having an excessive harmonic distortion and so on.
Our suggestion is to use our profile, we are supporting 150 headphones and many more are on the way.

From the feedback we have always received from alpha testers and beta testers, our correction is particularly liked even when it is not used to emulate a room.
Hence the idea of having a reference plugin for pure headphone correction.
Simply this

Among other things, we also emulate harmonic distortion.
Among the problems we try to solve, we try to have
- the highest possible quality for the MID component of the signal
- we try to have the best possible transient response
- we try to take into account the physical limits of the headphones and what they can deliver
- try to avoid heavy stresses under certain frequencies in the bass, and to have a sufficiently short and clean correction response
- have the maximum possible configurability of the sound of the rooms, where you can also dose them
- have the highest possible configurability for classic binaural parameters such as ILDA and ITDA
- have the best possible linear correction for the rooms, but also offer a response similar to the original and choose the amount, with a low interpolation error
- we also emulate the harmonic distortion of speakers!
- We have worked extensively on the stereo field and the feeling of space.
- we tried to minimize the problems of having different hearing profiles (different ear canal widths) and to have a control that could work for everyone


And yes, we tried to have rooms that were alive, but reverberated just right, like the originals. In any case, you can control the part of the room relative to the speaker with the focus parameter

There will be a fantastic room package that we will be releasing next week.
Then there will be a listening package for lots of speakers, stereos, HiFi, cars; for the higher quality we have made extensive use of anechoic chambers.
The two additional packages will be available in a few days, at an extremely low price.

30 days is the limitation of the trial. More headphone models are being added. https://www.sienna.studio/headphones/

Hi, will there be a standalone version?

alright.. i don't understand half of that.. but

lol man.. i've been mixing a song again.. man i hear all my mistakes.. this thing is so wonderful..

look.. on the real..

i know you guys get a lot of ****.. but i've been with you guys for years.. needless to say there's times i was less than happy with some choices..or policies.... but i say F that after this...

we don't remember the failures, we remember the emotion.. i remember the first emotion of a smile when i first tried nebula 3 years ago.. and i finally really felt like i've found that sound ive been looking for ... people always ask why does analog sound better? everyone has their own answer.. but man, to me.. it's the emotion it makes you feel.. analog has a timbre that feels touched.. made alive by the universe.. not by algorithms.. but just by the nature of .. not physics.. but it ALL i guess for lack of a better word..

well.. you guys were my first taste of this.. and today.. you made me feel that same way again.. honestly, sincerely.. from one flawed dude to another.. people like you make me smile

What is the Magic Q on the headphone correction?

Is this an EQ after the correction? Why would I want that?

Recommendation to support Sennheiser HD58X and HD560s as both are probably the best selling headphones of that company atm. Also the Superlux HD300 'Modded' ... what modding does it have?

Our headphone correction follows a custom target curve.
The knob, in one direction, goes toward linear correction across the range of all frequencies (it goes toward the flat curve), and to the right it goes roughly toward a Harman curve (a curve that is usually used as a reference curve for headphone linearization. That kind of knob allows you to choose your own working preference.
The thing we do, we try to present a very similar experience even when changing headphones, i.e. by changing headphones the sound should remain similar. This is something that on paper everyone should do, but in practice, we have found that it is a generally weak point in correction software.
I think the problem lies in the correction that Sienna uses for room emulation. It's such a complex process that even a small problem results in a completely different result.
If you have a few different headphones, try a test yourself!

It changes the amount of correction applied. Once you find your ideal settings you can save the preset for each headphone and recall them any time.

If you just use rooms its 32ms latency and 6% cpu wich hardley makes it light on a 9900k. Again crazy cpu in anything but reaper. I will pass yet again.

Quite a short earlybird period, must say.
I'd love to buy it while the offer lasts, but I'm not sure since my headphones are not listed. I did submit the model, but got no confirmation they will be eventually included.

This is excellent.

Immediately I noticed I didnt get that "surround" feel as NX with head tracking BUT, Sienna does feel or sound more like sitting in the back of a "real" room designed for mixing/recording room. Sliding a boosted eq band across the spectrum across a mix is very revealing and I already find myself making completely different mix choices on material Im familiar with which is to be expected. And I mean completely different.

I was also able to clearly sus out any annoying "whistling" frequencies particularly @ 2.5k which I wasn't hearing previously, but once I notched it out, its hard to un-hear when bypassed.

Id have to take my previous attempt and this one and listen to the impact of each in a neutral place like my car.

This is using the preset settings of the 2nd "HOG" room. NX sounds tinny and hyped in comparison. Hmm pretty cool as a first impression with no prior expectations.

Curious to hear what those with really good rooms here on GS have to say.

Exactly!!! Thank you!!!

I'm a little confused by the presentation of this... Am I supposed to use both the "reference" and "rooms" plugins at the same time? If so what order?

My understanding is that Reference is just the headphone correction without a room. The Rooms are (obviously rooms) plus headphone correction. So you use one or the other, not both.

Good question. I'm using this with Audio Hijack so wondering the same.

Hmm I wonder if the perfection slider is the same as the magic q knob? If so, that is super confusing

Have to agree... intro offer period is too short. I need to know my headphones will be included before buying into Sienna. I also submitted mine (Shure SH1540, Westone W80). But without any indication when/if they'll ever be included, I can't see buying in before the current intro end date of March 25th.

I'm getting that typical freezing of Cubase when deleting certain AA plugins off the chain.
Also I was told this very low cpu but it seems to using about the same as others.