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Do i need AD/DA converters if i make everything with plugins?
Old 5th March 2014
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Do i need AD/DA converters if i make everything with plugins?

i work with logic and plugins make electronica dance music but i use eveything software, do i need ad/da converters to get better quality? or only if u use any hardware?

or what would be the best gear to get if i work with all software synts ?
Old 5th March 2014
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you will do a favour to your plugins by putting a nice DAC! do some research on google and you will buy one immediately!
Old 5th March 2014
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You'll need DA to be able to hear anything.
Old 6th March 2014
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Yes you will. Get a burl b2 bomber DAC. Thank me later.
Old 6th March 2014 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VT-MHE ➑️
Yes you will. Get a burl b2 bomber DAC. Thank me later.
Just took it up a notch in here...now we're talking.

If I had the dough, a lot more of my studio would be greeeeeen....
Old 6th March 2014
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ADC -> You need external analog signal into your DAW. Which you don't (yet!)

DAC -> You need digital audio out into the physical analogue world. You already have this, at least as a built-in headphone output on your computer/laptop. So, yes, you need this for monitoring. Get the best one you can afford, e.g. Benchmark, Lavry, or even a Lynx Hilo. On a cheaper side of things a surprisingly good TC Electronic BMC-2 is a great option as a DAC/monitor controller.

And make sure you have a good set of monitors/cans to listen on (all inside an acoustically good room), otherwise a good DAC isn't really going to make much of a difference.
Old 6th March 2014
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something like apogee duet 2 should be adequate.
no need to break the bank...yet.
otherwise, how would you know how awesome the lynx hilo is if you never used anything worse before ?
Old 6th March 2014
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You need DAC. But don't let people tell you, you need to
spend 2,000 dollars to hear anything. Thats bull.
Lots of great sounding records mixed on very moderately priced gear.

Learn your gear up and down. Do critical listening tests. Come to your
own conclusions. Take opinions into consideration, but dont blow with the wind.
If it sounds good to you, its good.
JC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joecandy ➑️
You need DAC. But don't let people tell you, you need to
spend 2,000 dollars to hear anything. Thats bull.
Lots of great sounding records mixed on very moderately priced gear.

Learn your gear up and down. Do critical listening tests. Come to your
own conclusions. Take opinions into consideration, but dont blow with the wind.
If it sounds good to you, its good.
JC
This is excellent advice. You certainly don't "need" high end DA. There is something to it, for sure, but a lot of other things need to be in place before you spend a bunch of money on a DAC.
Old 6th March 2014
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Good monitoring is way more important than ΓΌber-expensive DAC, IMHO.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon ➑️
Good monitoring is way more important than ΓΌber-expensive DAC, IMHO.
But a DAC is a part of the monitoring chain...
Duet or RME and anything above that, basically. If there is an analog output level control, you want it to be good, otherwise you may have drifts of up to 5dB difference between left & right at certain levels. But that is the part behind the DAC itself.
Old 6th March 2014
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my first ever nice DA was Benchmark DAC-1, that put me into more hardware
Old 7th March 2014
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If you are doing EDM just use your computer's built-in D/A, no one will hear the difference.
Old 7th March 2014
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Yeah, acid and mdma tends to reduce sensitivity to jitter. heh
Old 8th March 2014 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by DAW PLUS ➑️
Yeah, acid and mdma tends to reduce sensitivity to jitter. heh
That is hilarious! Nice one..

But seriously, its a can of worms. DA is one worm.

There's room treatment, monitors, AD, DA, preamps, and on and on.

Everything in the chain matters. I suggest building up at a slow and modest
pace.

The most important things is to LEARN YOUR GEAR!!

LEARN AND KNOW YOUR GEAR!!!
Old 8th March 2014
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Think of all the great sounding records that were done back in the day on the absolute worst AD/DA ever.
That's all there was in the begining of digital. People made it work.

Having a clear vision for your production,great song writing, and a highly skilled execution and performance is
much more important than any mic, speaker, or converter.
Old 12th March 2014
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dac

i have an RME fireface uc, and an apogee duet 2. are they good for what i need'?
or what else is there for a quality upgrade?
Old 13th March 2014
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or just from my logic (mac) to my soundcard (rme fireface uc/APogee DUet2). its the best quality i can get?.
Old 13th March 2014
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Those units have great DACs. You will need a small fortune to improve their quality which for most people will be hard to hear the difference.
Old 21st March 2014
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So to get the top quality working inside my logic pro, (all plugins).
can be with my apgee duet 2 and good speakers?
i have dynaudio bm6a.
that will do?
or do i also need for example an external wordclock?
like the bigben?
or no neeed anything else just good ears?

thanks!



Old 21st March 2014 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by DSPtetrahidrop ➑️
i have an RME fireface uc, and an apogee duet 2. are they good for what i need'?
or what else is there for a quality upgrade?
Keep and use the UC. The RME driver will provide lower latency for playing software instruments closer to real-time. It has more I/O options just in case you decide to add hardware in the future.

No need for both unless you need the duet for live use. I'd recommend a TC level pilot..$70 and you're set.

As far as sound quality, changing the DA won't change the final product directly, if that's what you're asking. It may change how you hear what you're doing, and in that sense, it can make an impact on the final product based on your decisions from hearing things differently.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DSPtetrahidrop ➑️
So to get the top quality working inside my logic pro, (all plugins).
can be with my apgee duet 2 and good speakers?
i have dynaudio bm6a.
that will do?
or do i also need for example an external wordclock?
like the bigben?
or no neeed anything else just good ears?

thanks!



No - you most definitely don't need a word clock!

Monitoring quality in my opinion goes room -> Monitors -> DA in that order of importance. Your converter is more than adequate - it's "good" by any standards. Your monitors are also "good" if not "amazing". But what's your room doing?

You're going to get a tiny bit of difference adding clocks, better conversion etc to your setup. You're going to get a world of improvement having a room with fewer flutters or bass nulls.

It's not as exciting or flashy as a new converter or interface, but it's more useful.

Giving a 17yo a 100 year old red wine or single malt whiskey would be wasting it. Good as the suggestions are, telling you to buy a Burl or Benchmark DAC is the same thing - unless you're in an amazing room, with amazing speakers and a lot of experience, you're wasting your money. Upgrade the weak link of your chain. For most of us, that's not the DAC.
Old 21st March 2014
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thanks!
Old 21st March 2014 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklion ➑️
Keep and use the UC. The RME driver will provide lower latency for playing software instruments closer to real-time. It has more I/O options just in case you decide to add hardware in the future.

No need for both unless you need the duet for live use. I'd recommend a TC level pilot..$70 and you're set.

As far as sound quality, changing the DA won't change the final product directly, if that's what you're asking. It may change how you hear what you're doing, and in that sense, it can make an impact on the final product based on your decisions from hearing things differently.



thank you very much very good info. i will look for the tc level pilot. thanks.

AA.
Old 29th March 2014
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so to get top quality with plugs just a good soundcard and good speakers and room?
that way i will get the top best quality working with plugins right?
Old 29th March 2014
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Hello?! The plugins and samples are the same no matter what they run on and where. We're talking about being able to hear what you are doing with them properly. Hence, soundcard, or combined dac/monitor controller and good monitors.
Old 29th March 2014
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Right. It doesn't actually have any impact on the sound, just how you hear the sound and adjust accordingly. Differing opinions on level of importance.
Old 10th April 2014
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thanks!.
and for mastering ? would be the same? for the same track?
Old 10th April 2014
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You only need an external soundcard if you are recording instruments that are outside the box... If you do everything itb you do?t ...the Apple dac is equivalent or better than every playback system used to listen to music today... So for monitoring it is very good indeed
Keep your cash for something else !!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DAW PLUS ➑️
Yeah, acid and mdma tends to reduce sensitivity to jitter. heh
Ha, I found in my younger days that such substances would INCREASE my sensitivity to jitter!
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