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Old 20th January 2013
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Routing stuff to outboard gear

Hi,
Probably a stupid question, but here goes:

If I have a vocal track recorded through my sound interface, and I want to add flavour from a piece of outboard gear I have acquired (in this case an equalizer) to the already recorded track, do I just connect the line out of my sound card to the line in of the equalizer, and then from the line out of the equalizer to the line in of the sound interface, overdubbing (or recording to a new track) the recorded track with the flavoured sound?

Is this how you use outboard gear with ITB tracks?

BR
Old 20th January 2013
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You need to search your software manual for "hardware inserts". Maybe under "input output latency compensation".

My experience? It varies in usefulness (correct implementation) from app to app.

In Cubase, you define the "external FX"...I have one I call "La3a"--my old Urei is plugged into say input 5 and output 5 on teh sound card. I define it as such under the "External FX" in the studio config. Then when I want to use it, I go to the inserts, just like it was a plug in, and it's under "Steinberg>External>La3a". Insert, there's a breif pause in playback while it accounts for latency...and then it's "live" inserted into the Cubase mixer itself.
Old 20th January 2013
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You have the general idea right but the specifics very much depend on the DAW and audio interface you're using. With more info on your setup peeps can better answer your question.

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You have the general idea right but the specifics very much depend on the DAW and audio interface you're using. With more info on your setup peeps can better answer your question.

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I have a Focusrite Pro 24 sound interface with 2 combo jacks on the front (Used for mic and electric guitar), 2 line in (Using 1 input for bass DI) and 6 line out on the back (using 2 outputs for monitors). I have gotten my hands on an dbx 242 equalizer for free which I'd like to use. I am using Reaper at the moment, but I am thinking about getting Pro Tools.

I'll look up hardware inserts in the Reaper manual.

BR
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I have a Focusrite Pro 24 sound interface with 2 combo jacks on the front (Used for mic and electric guitar), 2 line in (Using 1 input for bass DI) and 6 line out on the back (using 2 outputs for monitors). I have gotten my hands on an dbx 242 equalizer for free which I'd like to use. I am using Reaper at the moment, but I am thinking about getting Pro Tools.

I'll look up hardware inserts in the Reaper manual.

BR
After some reading, I think I have it in theory. Correct me if I am wrong.

So I connect my stuff according to my first post. In my DAW I add an hardware insert on my vocal channel, going out output 3 of my interface (which is connected to outboard gear input). I create a new track, connect input 2 on my interface (which is connected to outboard gear output) to it, arm it for recording and press record. Now I add my eq flavour to the new track.

Yes?

BR
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Originally Posted by sacredheart ➑️
So I connect my stuff according to my first post. In my DAW I add an hardware insert on my vocal channel, going out output 3 of my interface (which is connected to outboard gear input). I create a new track, connect input 2 on my interface (which is connected to outboard gear output) to it, arm it for recording and press record. Now I add my eq flavour to the new track.
Been several years since I used reaper, but sounds right. In Cubase I do exactly the same thing, using the "external effects" routing that popmann mentioned, which is probably the same as "hardware insert" in Reaper. I record the signal that comes back on a separate audio track.

EDIT: Also, this assumes your ins/outs are properly configured. Again, this is interface and DAW-specific, but for example on my interface I had to enable the inputs/returns explicitly in the interface's control panel, and then create an effects bus in Cubase that tied the correct in and out ports together for the send/return to external effect unit.
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Been several years since I used reaper, but sounds right. In Cubase I do exactly the same thing, using the "external effects" routing that popmann mentioned, which is probably the same as "hardware insert" in Reaper. I record the signal that comes back on a separate audio track.

EDIT: Also, this assumes your ins/outs are properly configured. Again, this is interface and DAW-specific, but for example on my interface I had to enable the inputs/returns explicitly in the interface's control panel, and then create an effects bus in Cubase that tied the correct in and out ports together for the send/return to external effect unit.
Yes, I figure I have to do some routing in the mixer app for the interface to get it to work in practice. Thanks, have a nice day!

BR
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Originally Posted by popmann ➑️
You need to search your software manual for "hardware inserts". Maybe under "input output latency compensation".

My experience? It varies in usefulness (correct implementation) from app to app.

In Cubase, you define the "external FX"...I have one I call "La3a"--my old Urei is plugged into say input 5 and output 5 on teh sound card. I define it as such under the "External FX" in the studio config. Then when I want to use it, I go to the inserts, just like it was a plug in, and it's under "Steinberg>External>La3a". Insert, there's a breif pause in playback while it accounts for latency...and then it's "live" inserted into the Cubase mixer itself.
@popman. Would you do the same with say a pair of Classic API missing links on the 2 Buss. Basically I want to mix through the missing links/2 mono comp's on my stereo bus. Would you use them as inserts as you just mentioned or route the stereo buss to the Missing links/comps?
Also using cubase
Old 23rd June 2013
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