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Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14761
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Originally Posted by Kyle P. Gushue ➡️
Cool setup! Just fyi, with ryzen 5000 series is different than intel and other ryzen, because the best single cores are on the 5950x. So the models with lower core count, also have lower single core performance.
Do you have a link on that information? I'd like to investigate that further, as I'm trying to decide between 5800x and 5950x.
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14762
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Originally Posted by Pictus ➡️
Some tweaks you may like here

Without ANY doubt, this is the RAM to get
https://www.pccomponentes.com/crucia...gb-2x16gb-cl16
Ryzen likes fast ram
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07...ake-an-impact/

This is cheaper/better with front/back USB-C and no pesky/fragile chipset fan
https://www.pccomponentes.com/gigaby...0-aorus-pro-v2
If you want Thunderbolt
https://www.pccomponentes.com/asus-proart-b550-creator
If you want a new audio interface, check the performance here

You can change the cooler for the Noctua NH-D15S and you will have more space to manage the GPU/RAM
https://www.pccomponentes.com/noctua-nh-d15s

For PSU https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...psus,4229.html


Thanks a lot for your help guys.
Unfortunately it seems my pc store hasn't got stock for the motherboards you suggested, or at least that's what the assistant working there said. He suggested to go with this build instead: http://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/28D4C76f3

What do you guys think? Is the thunderbolt t type-c the same thunderbolt port I could use with audio interfaces?

Thanks again!
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by guileus ➡️
What do you guys think? Is the thunderbolt t type-c the same thunderbolt port I could use with audio interfaces?

Thanks again!
Yes Asus ROG MAXIMUS XIII HERO has two native thunderbolt ports that you can use for audio interfaces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinobyte ➡️

I think soon though I will need an upgrade for my facility's main daw host, and I am not sure how long I can wait, would you advise AMD over intel currently because of AMD superiority?
I also will need the fastest thunderbolt and PCI bus possible, we traffic a lot of data around here.
Thank you for any advice
Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake 16 core comes just in a couple of months. Raptor lake comes in a year or so. So if you can wait a month or two buy:
Alders Lake
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14764
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Originally Posted by Analogue Mastering ➡️
is 7940x (x299) to 11900k (z590) worth it? just procesor and mobo swap
already on ddr4000 and M2 SSD's (samsung 970)
Doubtful, but it would depend a bit- The 11900k will have higher single core.

For me, 7980xe to 5950x has been absolutely worth it.
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14765
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Originally Posted by woodslanding ➡️
Well, Usine seems to be extremely good at distributing the load among cores. That said, for a given cooling, I might well get faster core speeds with fewer cores.

I run 15 channels of audio live, so 16 cores seemed nice to me. But I guess I'll have 16 threads even with 8 cores.

I note that the TDP is the same for 8,12 or 16 cores. But I'm guessing the actual heat generated is not the same?? I can't see how it could be.... so yes, 8 cores might be as much as I should run. But whenever I build, I want to get the most future proofness I can.

The Sunburst is indeed one of the libraries that won't currently run... although it surprisingly comes close on the 5775. It will run at 128 even with all the other plugs running. A lot of the 8dio libraries are hungrier though...

I do live performance with a half dozen local bands, and also a good bit of studio work. I get hired by producers that AREN'T keyboard players. (Of course, most are.) This setup is really nice for auditioning, layering and processing sounds really quickly, so producers like getting something mix-ready really quickly. And with the UCX, I can give them wet and dry tracks, as well as splitting out layers if needed. Everything fits in the case, including the stool, and it sets up in five minutes, which is good for those poorly planned festival gigs! I'm quite happy with it. It's been a nearly 20 year evolution since I first committed to virtual and brought a laptop on stage.
Cool-

I'm not really very familiar with Usine, if there's a way for me to test your projects here I'd be happy to do it for you. I probably have most of the same VI's or substitutes that should get an idea. Looks like there is a track limited demo...send me a DM if there is a way to license/unlicense or something.

I guess the question is rather you are layering all 15 channels at once, or switching between?

I can play Sunburst and the Stradivari libraries with no problems at 32 samples when there isn't a big session- when there is a big session, I can still record the midi with very low level glitches...Mostly in studio one here, and with ZLM on, so that's just single-core only. But maybe that does make a case for 5950x for you.

This is with HDSPe MADI in a PCIe/TB enclosure.

@ Kyle P. Gushue GB5 single core numbers looks the same-ish across the board...
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14766
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Originally Posted by guileus ➡️
Thanks a lot for your help guys.
Unfortunately it seems my pc store hasn't got stock for the motherboards you suggested, or at least that's what the assistant working there said. He suggested to go with this build instead: http://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/28D4C76f3

What do you guys think? Is the thunderbolt t type-c the same thunderbolt port I could use with audio interfaces?

Thanks again!
Personally, I would either order AMD 5000 parts, or if I was waiting, wait for Alder Lake and Zen 4 and possibly Raptor Lake.

Alder Lake brings a lot of changes, including windows 11 that may require updates from software developers, and lacks AVX-512 instructions so will likely be a setback for Acoustica/Aqua/N4 users.

I think it's likely to be a good chip for many users, but I would be hesitant to jump right in at the beginning.
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14767
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Originally Posted by daskeladden ➡️
probably, decided on CPU?
Intel Core i7-11700K is not the top model but compared to 9900K it is pretty good
To put things in perspective, the performance difference between the Core i7-11700K and Core i9-11900K is fairly negligible. I'd take the Core i7-11700K easily between the two as it's a better value and you can put the difference towards other components or a better audio interface.
Old 14th September 2021
  #14768
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For they who have Quantum 2626. Universal control 3.6 (firmware update) has now been released which fixes youtube sound falling out when using DAW at the same time
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14769
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Originally Posted by woodslanding ➡️
Do you have a link on that information? I'd like to investigate that further, as I'm trying to decide between 5800x and 5950x.
It’s been stated in a variety of videos, here’s a couple links to websites.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214...700x-tested/31

https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-...-Ryzen-9-5950X

As @ RyanC mentioned, performance is close. And all are strong performers. I just wanted to mention it because it’s contrary to all other cpus, which have decreased single core performance with higher core counts.

I wouldn’t get the 5950x just for the small increase in single core, but also I wouldn’t shy away from it thinking it was like other chips when prioritizing single core performance.
Old 14th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14770
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Originally Posted by Dinobyte ➡️
Hello, I am new to building windows computers and I am leaving apple after 12 good apple years. I can't count on the M1 chip yet for my uses so don't try to convince me like all the other apple fans, I have heard it all.

This raptor core9 CPU looks to be amazing and I hope it is a success for intel.

I think soon though I will need an upgrade for my facility's main daw host, and I am not sure how long I can wait, would you advise AMD over intel currently because of AMD superiority?
I also will need the fastest thunderbolt and PCI bus possible, we traffic a lot of data around here.
Thank you for any advice
Amd r5000 is currently the best chips for audio. Things get more even when comparing R3000 to intel 10/11 gen. The intel 10850k is the best performance per dollar on intel side.

With alder lake you have the unknowns of early adoption, and lack of hyper threading on the little cores, and it requires windows 11 for optimal core load distribution. There is also a question of how much heat they generate.

R5000 is not going to be upgradable.

To me if at all possible, it makes sense to hold off till smoke clears on new intel, and amd has the ddr5 and pcie5 and it’s 3D cache.

Basically we are at a major transition point as we were about 8-10 years ago when nvme drives, ddr4, and pcie3 were all hitting the market.
Old 15th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14771
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I just wanted to mention it because it’s contrary to all other cpus, which have decreased single core performance with higher core counts.
Gotcha, Kyle. What I'm looking at now is this graph:



The 5900x seems to be able to accomplish a lot more for the same or even slightly less thermal load.

Of course I don't know if this would translate to audio. I suppose that depends on how Usine distributes load between processors. Hoping to hear from the developer on that soon.... Maybe 16 cores would distribute the load from my 15 audio channels better.

To answer Ryan's question from further up the thread: I do often have most, and sometimes all, of my channels running. It's certainly designed to be possible.... It is fun to just keep stacking layers on sometimes :0
Old 15th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14772
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woodslanding ➡️
Gotcha, Kyle. What I'm looking at now is this graph:



The 5900x seems to be able to accomplish a lot more for the same or even slightly less thermal load.

Of course I don't know if this would translate to audio. I suppose that depends on how Usine distributes load between processors. Hoping to hear from the developer on that soon.... Maybe 16 cores would distribute the load from my 15 audio channels better.

To answer Ryan's question from further up the thread: I do often have most, and sometimes all, of my channels running. It's certainly designed to be possible.... It is fun to just keep stacking layers on sometimes :0
I may be reading the chart wrong but to me it points to the 5900x having the most potential for being quiet, since its getting alot of work done with low energy. This would keep temps and fans lower.
Old 15th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14773
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Originally Posted by Kyle P. Gushue ➡️
I may be reading the chart wrong but to me it points to the 5900x having the most potential for being quiet, since its getting alot of work done with low energy. This would keep temps and fans lower.
Okay, heard back on Usine multi-threading. The way I have it set up, each track will get its own thread, so I can set it up to use exactly 16 threads.

Now I'm wondering: can you run the 5950x cores single-threaded?? If I could devote a whole core to each track, it seems like it would not tax each core much at all. There would be tons of headroom for those power hungry instruments, but that would just affect the one core, and not add so much to the overall heat level.

But the architecture may not be set up that way at all. In which case, maybe the 5800x is the way to go.
Old 15th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14774
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Originally Posted by woodslanding ➡️
Okay, heard back on Usine multi-threading. The way I have it set up, each track will get its own thread, so I can set it up to use exactly 16 threads.

Now I'm wondering: can you run the 5950x cores single-threaded?? If I could devote a whole core to each track, it seems like it would not tax each core much at all. There would be tons of headroom for those power hungry instruments, but that would just affect the one core, and not add so much to the overall heat level.

But the architecture may not be set up that way at all. In which case, maybe the 5800x is the way to go.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16261...amd-ryzen-5000

Looking like minimal to zero advantage in disabling SMT....
Old 15th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14775
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Quote:
Originally Posted by George Necola ➡️
I just wanted to share my problems with an asus rog stryx z390 and a non shielded blingbling led housing with transparent sides. I use an RME babyface and we had a lot of strange interference noise while recording froö hearing the neighbours sheep fence to noise coming into the pickups of a guitar.

I replaced the housing abd still had issues. I had to decouple the babyface with an usb isolator (noise coming from the cabs of the mobo trough usb into DAW).

so.. never buy a non-metal case, stay away from led bling bling and use an usb isolator if you use a babyface. also look at the mobo (there are videos on youtube to measure cap noise).

hope that helps someone out there.
Long time lurker here...thank you all for sharing a wealth of great info.

I have a similar setup (tg panel case, BFP Pro FS) and have the same noise issue, can you share which usb isolator you got to fix the problem? Thanks in advance.

Last edited by ponegoro; 15th September 2021 at 09:08 PM.. Reason: typo
Old 16th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14776
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Hi there,

I'm going to buy my 5950X configuration soon, as recommended here by Pictus, but the Crucial black 3600 in 64 GB is still unavailable in Europe. But the crucial RGB is... What do you think? Are there any reliable alternatives or the RGB is ok ? It seems to be the same specs but maybe I'm missing something.
Old 16th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14777
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyesse ➡️
Hi there,

I'm going to buy my 5950X configuration soon, as recommended here by Pictus, but the Crucial black 3600 in 64 GB is still unavailable in Europe. But the crucial RGB is... What do you think? Are there any reliable alternatives or the RGB is ok ? It seems to be the same specs but maybe I'm missing something.
Hi,
The Ballistix RGB uses the same Micron chips, they just added some LEDs.
IF the Ballistix(RGB or not) is unavailable, the second option is G.Skill Trident Z Neo.
Old 16th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14778
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Hi,
The Ballistix RGB uses the same Micron chips, they just added some LEDs.
IF the Ballistix(RGB or not) is unavailable, the second option is G.Skill Trident Z Neo.
Perfect 👍
Big thanks
Old 16th September 2021
  #14779
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Crucial Ballistix 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory

Significant price drop at Adorama and B&H.

I just pulled the trigger on 4 sticks.
Old 16th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14780
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woodslanding ➡️
Okay, heard back on Usine multi-threading. The way I have it set up, each track will get its own thread, so I can set it up to use exactly 16 threads.

Now I'm wondering: can you run the 5950x cores single-threaded?? If I could devote a whole core to each track, it seems like it would not tax each core much at all. There would be tons of headroom for those power hungry instruments, but that would just affect the one core, and not add so much to the overall heat level.

But the architecture may not be set up that way at all. In which case, maybe the 5800x is the way to go.
I think it’s more dependent on the coding of the software than anything else. Maybe Usine can answer this for you? I’m not familiar with it.

The other consideration is if your ever going to use more than 16 tracks.
Old 17th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14781
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Originally Posted by Dinobyte ➡️
Hello, I am new to building windows computers and I am leaving apple after 12 good apple years. I can't count on the M1 chip yet for my uses so don't try to convince me like all the other apple fans, I have heard it all.

This raptor core9 CPU looks to be amazing and I hope it is a success for intel.

I think soon though I will need an upgrade for my facility's main daw host, and I am not sure how long I can wait, would you advise AMD over intel currently because of AMD superiority?
I also will need the fastest thunderbolt and PCI bus possible, we traffic a lot of data around here.
Thank you for any advice
For me Ryzen is a no-brainer right now. On my 5950x rig I go all day every day at the 32 sample buffer without ever having to change it. I would be switching out all my hacks for 5950x- but things are moving along for now so I'll likely hold off until Z4.

TB is at a point where it isn't getting any faster, I think they've pretty much hit the max of what can be crammed into that little cable. No benefit in waiting on not on that front.

With PCIe 5.0 the biggest (really likely only) benefit for audio users will be NVMe moving the cap up to 16GB/s from 8GB/s. This should offer a subtle but noticeable improvement to boot and session load times for your boot drive, but it will be some time before actual NVMe drives are approaching 16GB/s. The actual first g5 NVMe drives aren't expected until 2022- and will likely still be ~8GB/s, none of the current g4 drives have actually reached full saturation of g4.

If you need a new machine now, I wouldn't wait for PCIe 5.0.

The biggest reasons to wait for Zen4, or possibly Raptor Lake would be the CPU power itself. From what AMD has leaked out Z4 looks to be 50-60% faster than Z3, which is a big generational gain.

That said, a 5950x rocks. I have 3 machines in the studio and I will likely go Z4 in replacing my 7980xe hacks, but I doubt I will need to upgrade the 5950x machine to Z4 anytime soon.
Old 19th September 2021
  #14782
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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/onewir...d/#view=dP39cf

Any opinions on an alternative for the MB? It's been unobtanium for a few weeks now .
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14783
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🎧 10 years
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Originally Posted by daskeladden ➡️
Yes Asus ROG MAXIMUS XIII HERO has two native thunderbolt ports that you can use for audio interfaces


Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake 16 core comes just in a couple of months. Raptor lake comes in a year or so. So if you can wait a month or two buy:
Alders Lake
I looked at this CPU - it has two different types of core, a P-core with 8 cores/16 threads and an E-core with 8 cores/8 threads.

Wondering how all of the software we use will address that. Since they respond differently and run at different speeds (and have fewer threads than earlier 16-core machines), I'm wondering how apps that handle a multitude of plugins (my use case is writing for orchestra so tons of instruments) will deal with that. Sounds like a big unknown to me.
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14784
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onewire ➡️
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/onewir...d/#view=dP39cf

Any opinions on an alternative for the MB? It's been unobtanium for a few weeks now .
This https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f7p...d-x570s-aero-g
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sJM...t-b550-creator
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14785
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This is confusing as heck:

Quote:
Expansion Slots
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series/ 3000 Series Desktop Processors

2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)*

AMD RyzenTM 4000 G-Series Processor

2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)*

AMD B550 Chipset

1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slot (supports x4 mode)**

2 x PCIe 3.0 x1 slots***

* Support PCIe bandwidth bifurcation for RAID on CPU function.

** PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt™ 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt™ 4 will have no output

*** These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will
I like the TB4 built in, though it seems I lose one of the PCI slots?
Old 19th September 2021
  #14786
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FWIW ... I have recently upgraded from an X99 board with an ASUS T3 add-on card, to a Z490 with built-in T3 ... and it's FAR more useable and less flakey. I would definitely choose the built-in option if a prime concern is TB ... I have UAD Apollo X stuff so for me it was key.
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14787
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Originally Posted by onewire ➡️
This is confusing as heck:

I like the TB4 built in, though it seems I lose one of the PCI slots?
Looks that way. These are the types of compromises to make with this level of board / CPU. There just aren't enough lanes to provide bandwidth for everything the board gives as alternatives.

Looking briefly at the other board listed it has one m.2 slot that is the alternative to using one of the PCIe slots, so it's one or the other there as well.

Only way around it is to step up to HEDT class devices, Threadripper for AMD basically, as they support far more PCIe lanes overall.
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14788
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Originally Posted by mattiasnyc ➡️
Looks that way. These are the types of compromises to make with this level of board / CPU. There just aren't enough lanes to provide bandwidth for everything the board gives as alternatives.

Looking briefly at the other board listed it has one m.2 slot that is the alternative to using one of the PCIe slots, so it's one or the other there as well.
Exactly. Sorting it all out has been nerve-racking.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattiasnyc ➡️
Only way around it is to step up to HEDT class devices, Threadripper for AMD basically, as they support far more PCIe lanes overall.
Already have the 5950x, a Samsung 2TB NVME 980Pro for samples sitting here waiting and 128Gig of RAM tracking for delivery Tuesday (if FedEx doesn't deliver it to my neighbor's granny flat. Apparently 3237 vs 3227 confuses people). At any rate, the CPU choice is a lock at this point.

The only real holdup is the MoBo and deciding between the Define 7 or Define 7 XL.

I'd really like to get the build done before my wife and I pack up and leave as I have unlimited fiber optic DL here that may come in handy for the reinstall of the sample libraries, two of which are huge and have been purchased and activated but are waiting online for this build. That won't be available at our new location and to be honest, we don't really need it for our normal daily needs.
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14789
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Originally Posted by Kyle P. Gushue ➡️

The other consideration is if your ever going to use more than 16 tracks.
Could happen. It's kind of like an orchestral template... don't use everything all the time, but it can be nice to have things just a button press away.... so yeah, maybe someday.

I got a 5900x. We will see how much cooling I can squeeze into this box, and how much of its power I can actually use..... or actually need....
Old 19th September 2021 | Show parent
  #14790
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onewire ➡️
This is confusing as heck:



I like the TB4 built in, though it seems I lose one of the PCI slots?
They all share something with something else.
This means the bandwidth is shared and/or one will be disabled.
Does not matter as long they offer what you need.
Better check the manuals.
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