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Old 21st July 2002
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I'm getting asked abit about my Symbolic Sound Kyma system. I'm sure most of you either use, or have some really interesting bits of kit that fit into the Computer Music forum. Stuff like Reaktor or the Clavia Nord Modular (its very limited without its computer editor) Plus software like Soundhack, Grainwave and Supercollider.
If you have time, can anyone interested in this thread list the stuff they use that fits our forum. Then we can get into some helpful discussion for people who are wondering which app will fit there needs... Include ProTools, Logic etc. As these are used extensively in Sound design etc...

Thanx.

al.

Old 21st July 2002
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Symbolic Sound Kyma

This Kyma thingy.....

For anyone wandering what this Kyma thing is mentioned in some of my posts. Here's some background.

The Kyma is a Sound Design/Processing system made by a company in the US called Symbolic Sound (www.symbolicsound.com) Its made up of two components. The Kyma software (Mac or Windows) and the Capybara (current model Capybara 320) . The Capybara is a 3U Black box that looks alot like a Magma chassis. It contains as standard 4 DSP chips and some great sounding Analogue and Digital I/O. It connects to the host computer by a card (PCI/Nubus/ISA/PCMCIA) or a new Firewire Interface box. It recognised (argueably) as the best at what it does, and is used by everyone from the guys who do sound f/x for the Star Wars films (Ben Burtt and Gary Rystrom et al) to avant garde and cutting edge musicians (BT etc). I've had mine for about 7 months and Its gonna take years to get into it properly. The good thing, is that it comes with presets which are usable 'out of the box' so you can gradually get into its method or workflow. In some respects its interface is similar to Digi's masterpiece (my opinion rollz ) Protools. In that you can choose parameters to automate over time. And these are handled in a very friendly graphical manner.

As for the sound. I would listen to some of the MP3's from the symbolic site.

I'll go abit further into this if there's demand for it.

Hope this has been of help/Interest.

al.
Old 21st July 2002
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Hey thanks MCal....I have been curious about the Kyma myself...seems like it is getting a lot of underground attention.....
Like one of those things that is *just getting ready* to really explode.


OK I'll contribute.

I stated in another thread that I use a Creamware Scope / Pulsar system. Let me take a minute to explain what this is and how it facilitates my workflow for anyone not familiar with this system and its functionality.

First off, Creamware have developed what I consider to be **ALMOST** the perfect combination of software and hardware components for musicians. I say ALMOST because they haven't quite perfected the software side of things...I'll get to that in a minute.

The Creamware SFP system (SFP = Scope Fusion Platform) is a combination of proprietary PCI based DSP cards and the SFP software. The cards themselves come in different configurations of DSP power and I/O options. The system itself is scalable and expandable similar to Pro Tools TDM systems. Multiple cards can be chained together via a STDM cable and will be treated as one card and share the same resources (PCI bandwith).

My current system consists of a Pulsar II card (6 SHARC DSP chips and Analog (balanced XLR), AES/EBU, MIDI I/O, and 2x ADAT I/O (16 channels); and a SRB card (called a Sonic Rocket Booster by Creamware) This second card has no I/O but simply holds additional DSP chips (15 of them). It functions similar to a DSP farm card in Pro Tools. So my total is 21 DSP chips...I will explain more on their function below.

The SFP software is the same no matter what Creamware card you have installed. The basic layout of the software is two windows. One window is the "routing" window, and it depicts a graphical representation of the I/O of your system, along with any software modules you have loaded onto the card and how they are routed. The second window is called the "live" bar and it is used to depict the software modules (or "devices" as Creamware calls them) that you have loaded into your session. These devices can consist of anything from a mixer, to effects, to synthesizers and samplers. The beauty of this type of system is that any device can be routed to any other device in an almost infinite number of configurations.

The card itself uses a technology it calls ULLI (Ultra Low Latency Interface) to handle it's communications with your host CPU. In this way it is capable of very low latencies (I have mine set up for <3ms @44.1k). The faster your sampling rate, the faster the ULLI protocol can work it's magic. (1ms latency @96k). The card will handle any sampling rate up to 24bit 96k.

I have had the card working in both a Pro Tools and a Logic environment. In Pro Tools I routed all devices out of the built in ADAT I/O into my Digi 001 ADAT. In Logic, one can route via multiple channels of ASIO (up to 32 each way). Works great and there is no apparent slowdown or latency on the system itself.

The software devices are similar to plugins for other systems like TDM....however, there is a heavy emphasis on synths (and for good reason). The Creamware synths are really some of the best I have ever heard from software. Since the synths run on the DSP chips (similar to TDM Access Virus), the developers can really focus on sound rather than system efficiency. As such, some synths are really DSP hogs....but Oh! what a sound.

Anyway, that is the nuts and bolts of it. Drawbacks: The software is still not perfect. Creamware is developing this system called XTC. What XTC will allow is a bridge so that Creamware synths and effects can be opened in Logic or Cubase (any VST compatible) software directly, but still use the DSP of the Creamware card. This would allow one to work without having to switch between environments. It is buggy on PC and non-existent on Mac. They claim to be working on it though, and updates have been rather regular.


Hope this overview helps or gives some insight.

Cheers
Old 25th July 2002
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Has anyone had the opportunity to play with the Hartmann Neuron? It's a hardware synthesizer that uses neural nets to drive a resynthesis engine. Apparently, the AI is used to extract relavent timbral information from a sound or audio input, and then allow the user to tweak said data with a multitude of joysticks. My initial reaction was one of disbelief but with Stephen Sprenger(DSP guru of Sonicworx) at the helm, it might just work.

Antares, for that matter, also has a resynthesis soft synth out(kantos); but since it presumably makes heavy use of their pitch correction algorithms, I hold out little hope for it. Still, it's looking like resynthsis will be the next big thing. Now the really big question: How long before Symbolic Sound reverse engineer the neural nets and release similar modules for Kyma?

-kesserich
Old 28th July 2002
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Hey Kesserich,
I've never heard of this before... Do you have a URL for it? Sounds interesting...

al.
Old 28th July 2002
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http://www.hartmann-music.com/

No sound examples yet, unfortunately. :(
Old 30th July 2002
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Creamware

Kamurah

Thanks for that excellent overview. I'm a PT user really interested in what Creamware are offering since reading an article on Hans Zimmer and now your piece.

Old 1st August 2002
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Hey Renie no problem! heh

If you are interested in 'all things Creamware' you should check out the following site:

www.planetz.com

Great resource and forum there, plus loads of free devices (for CW cards), songs done with the system, etc.....overall a terrific site.

Also, I'll be happy to answer any questions you have on the integration with Pro Tools.


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