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Old 28th January 2009
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need advice, parts for a pc

hei fam, i need your help to choose the right componets for a new pc.
right now im using amd 3000 with old hard drives and 2gb memory on a gigabyte board.

i will be using the new pc for recording audio with cubase 4 (maybe 5) up to 24ch at once on Windows XP, using Lynx aes16 and use very little plugins, stylus rmx & omnisphere only.

im sattled with the PC accessories, im having hard time to choose:

Mother Board- gigabyte/asus/pci/pci-e ?
CPU- quad/duel/ghz ?
Hard Drives -sata/sataII/speed ?

can anyone recommend a solid kit for those tasks, maybe one that works better with Lynx ? ..
i need also lots of USB2 and FW ..

im going crazy, theres so many types out there ..

Thanks for your time thumbsup
Old 28th January 2009
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consider the right number of USB and PCI to avoid IRQ mayhem.
avoid ueberloaded mobos for gamers, so simple is better here.
Intel or AMD gives different paths, then two HDs with 7,200 or 10,000 rpm with a good cache.

Asus owns the market, but sometimes it gives away mobos that can make customers s**t bricks, so go for the most common types...
pass some hour on some nerds forum (no offence intended, I'm in too) and you'll find the right choice!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by i604 ➡️
consider the right number of USB and PCI to avoid IRQ mayhem.
avoid ueberloaded mobos for gamers, so simple is better here.
Intel or AMD gives different paths, then two HDs with 7,200 or 10,000 rpm with a good cache.

Asus owns the market, but sometimes it gives away mobos that can make customers s**t bricks, so go for the most common types...
pass some hour on some nerds forum (no offence intended, I'm in too) and you'll find the right choice!

thanks. could you point some models/combos that will work stable ? also is there a big diff btw the 7200 & 10000 ?
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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WD raptors (10.000rpm) are loud and have a higher response latency. the little speedup isn´t worth the price in practice.

i´d recommend WD Caviar Black, WD Caviar RE3 or Seagate 7200.11 drives.

motherboards: Asus P5K or P5Q models, Gigabyte EP35 or EP45 models
cpu: Q9450, Q9550 (i don´t recommend the cheaper Q6600 and Q8xxx models)
ram: Crucial Ballistix DDR2 1066mhz, OCZ Reaper 1066Mhz, Kingston or GeIL
graphics: depends on your needs, but i recommend a passive-cooled one with chips like: ATI/AMD HD3450 or HD4350, NVIDIA 8500GT or 8600GT
psu: zalman, bequiet, OCZ, antec

send me a pm with all your special needs and i can configure you some systems.
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eddierodriguez ➡️
WD raptors (10.000rpm) are loud and have a higher response latency. the little speedup isn´t worth the price in practice.

i´d recommend WD Caviar Black, WD Caviar RE3 or Seagate 7200.11 drives.

motherboards: Asus P5K or P5Q models, Gigabyte EP35 or EP45 models
cpu: Q9450, Q9550 (i don´t recommend the cheaper Q6600 and Q8xxx models)
ram: Crucial Ballistix DDR2 1066mhz, OCZ Reaper 1066Mhz, Kingston or GeIL
graphics: depends on your needs, but i recommend a passive-cooled one with chips like: ATI/AMD HD3450 or HD4350, NVIDIA 8500GT or 8600GT
psu: zalman, bequiet, OCZ, antec

send me a pm with all your special needs and i can configure you some systems.

GREAT!

i decied to go with this combo, it might be over for my needs but what the hell ..

Asus PQ5 deluxe
Intel Q9550 w/Zalman
WD Black 500GB
Kingston HyperX 4GB 1066

how does this looks ? ok ?


Thanks for the advice, exactly what i was looking for.
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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I would recommend the I7 architecture.

Im running:
I7 920
ASUS P6T Deluxe
Triple DDR3 1600Mhz Kingston HyperX Ram
Dedicated FW card
3x 500GB Samsung Spinpoint F1 disks

Very fast, very reliable.
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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which FW card would you recommend ? Texas Instruments are the standard ?
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I would recommend you consider getting a specialist case...I have tried a few over the years. Currently running with Nexus and their Silent drive cases. Reduced the ambient level in the room quite a bit... can mix at a quieter level which translates to more comfortable long periods.
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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TI chipsets are the way to go. But even onboard TI chipsets are known to cause problems. That's the reason it is a good idea to get a dedicated card. Always use 1 FW hardware piece on 1 card. Don't share cards with multiple devices.

Try to stay away from VIA, Ricoh or NEC chipsets.
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I7 is overpriced, especially the motherboards and DDR3 ram. Q9550 is faster than the I-920 and cheaper.

if you can wait 6-12 months the new I7 processors and better motherboards are coming out. DDR3 will be cheaper.

there´s no performance benefit from I7 by now with same GHZ. and the only benefit is that the S1366 will be the new standard for the next 2-3 years.

but i predict, that in 1 year you can buy a S1366 cpu, mobo and ram for the price-difference you safed now (or only little extra charge), and it will be faster and more stable (motherboards).

and i predict, that an actual fast S775 system will outlive the S1366 socket! you won´t need to upgrade for a minimum of 2 years...

VIA 6307 and 6308 fw-chipsets are very good chipsets! TI is more picky!
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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Thanks all for the advice, i think the first config. is fine to my needs im also soooo lost with those chipsets.. IT.. I7 i dont know much about computers componets today, everything advanced so fast (dont shoot me here)
i just hope my PC wont crash every day..
ill look for deticated FW card. THANK YOU ALL !!

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Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eddierodriguez ➡️
I7 is overpriced, especially the motherboards and DDR3 ram. Q9550 is faster than the I-920 and cheaper.

if you can wait 6-12 months the new I7 processors and better motherboards are coming out. DDR3 will be cheaper.

there´s no performance benefit from I7 by now with same GHZ. and the only benefit is that the S1366 will be the new standard for the next 2-3 years.

but i predict, that in 1 year you can buy a S1366 cpu, mobo and ram for the price-difference you safed now (or only little extra charge), and it will be faster and more stable (motherboards).

and i predict, that an actual fast S775 system will outlive the S1366 socket! you won´t need to upgrade for a minimum of 2 years...

VIA 6307 and 6308 fw-chipsets are very good chipsets! TI is more picky!
You know that everything you just said isn't true, right? You should predict less and read more. I'm not starting a discussion here, so i will not engage in some kind of flamewar, but there are severel resources (on the slutz forum also) that shows that the new I7 architecture without the FSB is way faster than the older architectures.

And saying that TI is more picky than VIA, well... (sigh)

Not trying to burn you, but read up on some material, before giving advice that is based on premises instead of research / facts.

Ooh. Q9550 is cheaper, that's where you're right.
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Originally Posted by FredYeah ➡️
You know that everything you just said isn't true, right? You should predict less and read more. I'm not starting a discussion here, so i will not engage in some kind of flamewar, but there are severel resources (on the slutz forum also) that shows that the new I7 architecture without the FSB is way faster than the older architectures.

And saying that TI is more picky than VIA, well... (sigh)

Not trying to burn you, but read up on some material, before giving advice that is based on premises instead of research / facts.

Ooh. Q9550 is cheaper, that's where you're right.
heh

there are enough benchmarks. as long as they´re quads they´re similiar. it´s the same architecture "by now". I7 was made for Octo-Cores. "by now" you don´t have benefits in practice. what can you buy for +100 points in a 20000 point benchmark...

i read and use enough, don´t worry. i´m one of those geeks, that needs the newest and best components. in the end it´s more sheen than been. follow the whole history, the first revisions of new architecture was way overpriced than revisions after 6-12 months. cpus never got that important "new" revisions since the Core2duos. try to sell one of the first revisions haha...

read about user feedbacks of the first motherboards. speaks for itself. there´s a reason why there are only about 50 models available. 300+ S775 DDR2 and 150+ S775 DDR3 mobos, optimized and proofed revisions that get positive feedbacks most of the time. speaks for itself.

the Q9550 cost 600,- eur in dec.07, more than 50% cheaper after one year.

accept it or not, but that are facts.

it´s another question after the Octo-Core arrive. but they´ll be fourth the price in the first 12-18 months.

i invite you to come by and watch 3 systems in my home and studio. 2 S775 systems and 1 S1366 system. Q9650, Xeon X3350 (Q9450) versus an I-920. the Q9650 is faster, but the X3350 and I-920 are "identical". the higher frequency with DDR3 gets sucked up by higher latency.

i have no fear to show you all of my 8 fw-cards i bought for duende. TI didn´t do well with the XIO2000a, XIO2000b and XIO2200. i shouldn´t write "more" picky but at least as picky as the vias. VIA did a very good job with the 6307 and 6308. with my setups the vias were the most stable ones, followed by plx and nec.

you can ignore my post and let your truth be the truth, that´s ok.

i´m writing my realworld experiences and try to help, i guess that´s what this forum´s for.
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LoL.

Dude,
why didn't you write down this stuff in the first place? heh When you put it like this, i believe you immediatly, but the funny thing is... I've got exactly the opposite experience. A mate of mine has a Q9550, im working on a new I7 (920). His system fills up earlier than mine and i got nothing but good results with TI chipsets, where VIA almost in every case caused me problems.



Yeah.Computers suck
Old 29th January 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by FredYeah ➡️
LoL.

Dude,
why didn't you write down this stuff in the first place? heh When you put it like this, i believe you immediatly, but the funny thing is... I've got exactly the opposite experience. A mate of mine has a Q9550, im working on a new I7 (920). His system fills up earlier than mine and i got nothing but good results with TI chipsets, where VIA almost in every case caused me problems.
no prob.

a bad set-up S775 will be worse than a good set-up S1366 system and vice-versa.

there are so many manufacturers, even if mobos have the same intel-chip, they can act totally different. a frickin harddrive could make the bad difference...

he could have a bad cpu (monday piece heh, no, a cpu that was made of an outer-piece of the wafer) that´s why i took a Xeon. they´re selected and made from the middle circle of the wafer. the middlepoint of the wafer is reserved for the Extreme-cpus.

he could have bad ram or they get too hot. or a mobo that won´t use the spd latencies, even selected manually...

or he got one of the "complicated-designed" mobos. which work ok, but have unlogical and too long lanes. or it´s irq-management works unlogical.

or he could have... and so on...

Quote:
Originally Posted by FredYeah ➡️
Yeah.Computers suck
yeah, macs too btw. heh
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