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Old 18th July 2002
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Lightbulb Mouse alternatives

Hi
Does anyone know of any good Mac alternatives to using a mouse, something like a tablet? anyone use that? can it work in Pro Tools?

Any feedback appreciated..

Cheers
Renie
Old 18th July 2002
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Hi Renie,

I've seen quite a lot of people mention the ShuttlePro.

http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro.htm

I've never used it myself but have heard it's a pretty useful piece of kit.

I think C.Lambrechts uses one? Maybe you can ask him...

Good luck.

R.
Old 18th July 2002
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I've used a track ball for years - would never go back to a mouse.
Old 18th July 2002
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I have used JL Cooper's CS-1 for many years, still looking for something similar with USB. I don't need any faders etc...

I would like to get my hands on a Griffin PowerMate, looks promising and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.


/Mats
Old 19th July 2002
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Track ball w PT
Old 19th July 2002
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i cant even begin to use a trackball. i have been using a mouse far too long in far too many applications.

i have a wacom tablet [the big one] but i would like the one with the screen built in if i were to use it for audio [hell, for any application], but $1500 is a tad much for something of that nature right now.

so im just going to go with a mackie control.
Old 19th July 2002
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thanks all

the Kensington turbo mouse maybe? alphajerk why don't you like the pen + tablet for audio, i was kinda hoping this might be an option....
Mats that powermate does look cool! I can't imagine working PT with it though but maybe it's more feasible than it looks!

Rene
Old 19th July 2002
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i dont like the tablet for much of anything except photo touchups and the like. i feel the mouse is more connected between my and the screen than the tablet is [but using the pen on the tablet works better for pixil editing]
Old 19th July 2002
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Thumbs up t ball



i gotta second the tracker ball .. cant imagine life without..#

the kennsington ones are quite large..i use a stingray which was only Β£60 and is only about an inch across i love it..and its black yuktyy yuktyy evileye

666evileye

ps mices are AWFUL!madd
Old 20th July 2002
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i got a trackball (kenso one) when i got my laptop, and i can't understand how i lived without one

i have a tablet, and i find it useless, except for graphics (pressure-sensitive)

my vote is definitely for the trackball
Old 20th July 2002
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Thanks all!!

I had a trip around town yesterday afternoon searching for some trackballs and pens/tablets. Not a lot of luck, people out of stock and very reluctant to open boxes (fair enough) but not much to demo otherwise.

I did like the look and feel of the new Microsoft trackball but while it is Mac compatible it is of course primarily designed for PC..don't know what that really means at the end of the day.

I was a bit surprised when I saw the Kensington turbo mouse, how clunky and square the base is. Not very hand shape friendly. The trackball does feel nice though.

Try again today and I'll probably get something- see how I go!!
I think the pen and tablet is out of the equation now...
thank you for all your help

Renie
Old 20th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Renie


I was a bit surprised when I saw the Kensington turbo mouse, how clunky and square the base is. Not very hand shape friendly. The trackball does feel nice though.

In practice, the Turbo Mouse doesn't feel at all clunky - it takes a couple of minutes to get used to it, and then you're off.
Old 20th July 2002
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Kensington's Turbo Mouse Pro gets my vote. Quickkeys, a scroll bar, nice... I got one of them mouse cussions too, which make it very confortable (note, rest it before the base of your hand, not on the base of your hand) It'll help fight carpel tunnel syndrome.
Old 22nd July 2002
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e-cue,

do you mean rest the under wrist on the cushion pad?

I read on the http://www.healthycomputing.com/office/setup/pointing/
site that for using a trackball they recommend an elbow rest, but generally say only use these soft rests when resting and not to use them whilst working at all. An elbow rest would mean tucking yourself right into your desk, so unless your desk is very deep you could be very close to your monitor, which is no good!

I wish they had more diagrams and photos illustrating their points on this Kensington linked site, it's interesting reading though.

Renie
Old 22nd July 2002
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Not really a mouse replacement, but I can't work without my (Bluagh!) Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3. Connects via USB works straight out of the box as a two button mouse (no drivers required), put the extension on and you have a dream controller..

Mine is set up in the following manner:

Left Button: Click
Right utton: Control click
Thumb button 1: Alt Click
Thumb button 2: Apple click

Wheel scrolls 3 lines.

You can assing the buttons to pretty much anything you like..

I can now do an awful lot without touching the keyboard. Comfortable too!

The only problem is if you are left handed (I'm not).

Check out:-


http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouse/ie_info.asp

PS I feel sick now for advocating a Microshaft product, but it's really that good!

grudge
Old 25th July 2002
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Tablets are pretty good, depending on how you work.
As they use absolute posisitioning, rather than relative like a mouse, it's very quick to jump from point to point without really looking once you get used to where things 'are'.
If you like to shift your work posisition around a bit over time, then they have less of an advantage, and I've not seen a cordless optical one you can use on your leg when it's ' just another hour before I'm done ' time again. On that tip, Logitech units have far and away the best range ,especially if you stand their antennas up, and on a metal surface to act as a sort of groundplane helps. 5 metres through a door and a wall of kit impressed me.
Trackballs suit some people, especially those who like to move just their fingers, rather than their whole arm. Can be very very quick.
Touchscreens are pretty inefficient really, as more movement needed but can be fun for certain virtual fader heavy apps (eg. mixer automation control or virtual synth control). Very intuitive, depending on virtual representation. Could also possibly add visual interest to a synth act live with lcd, tft screens?
I've also tried all sorts of game controllers for synth modulation including joysticks/pads, odd saitek 'things', kenton freaks and fostex mixtabs.
Old 25th July 2002
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Thanks to eveyone for your feedback.

I've bought a Contour Shuttle PRO and a Wacom Graphire 2 pen and tablet.

I am really happy with the combination and am flying around in PT now!!

Awesome!!!!!!

Old 30th July 2002
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Yup, those microsoft mice are good, ive got one. Cant believe I stuck with the one button Mac one for so long - thats loyalty for you, can be foolish

This is me on Logic Audio mac....

Button:

Left (do something)
Right (open toolbox)
Side Left (zoom in making selection fill screen)
Side Right (back to last zoom)

Wheel:
Up scroll (all tracks back to original size)
Down scroll (increase selected track height)
Up scroll while pressed down (decrease track height)
Down scroll while pressed down (undo)
Press the wheel don't scroll with it (play)

that's a helluva lot of permutations in one hand. not including the other stuff it does if I'm holding down control, alt or apple.
Old 31st July 2002
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With PT on Win98, I've got a 5 button mouse...

Left Click
Right Click (windows)
wheel - click to undo
left side button - space bar
right side button - "middle button" - cycles tools
Old 3rd August 2002
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Renie

Check this one out.

I'm also using the Wacom Tablet.

Set the button on your index finger to F5.

Set your zoom tool to be in temporary mode.

Now whenever you need to zoom, just click the button, draw a box and when you let go it goes back to the previous tool (Select, Grab)

Pretty cool.

Use those buttons.
Old 4th August 2002
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Produceher

Thanks for the tip. I admire the way you're generous with your ideas. I use the pen with the tablet, but I can try your idea with the Contour shuttle PRO I use alongside it.

The CSP is great and so easy to swap from one set of button codes to another mid session...love it. I'll try the zoom thing!!

btw I will be very interested to see how you rate the Sony dynamics plug-in on the master fader ('tis an earful to behold) as compared to your plug combo= Channelstrip SSL + Master X.

Renie
Old 5th August 2002
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I'm using the pen also.

Doesn't yours have two buttons on the side.

I also would love to see the Sony Dynamics plugin finally come out.

Maybe replace Channelstrip. We'll see.

I have used it on the Oxford console and it really was cool.

It will change peoples thought's on Plug in Compressors.
Old 6th August 2002
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Gotcha now!!! thanks...
Old 4th January 2004
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hey renie!

would love to hear a little more about the shuttlepro. i'm a logic user, and i have been considering one for ages. i would also be using it in imovie. how easy is it to switch between button sets? 2-click-job, 3-click-job? do you still use a mouse with it? can you assign controls straight from the 'key commands' window?

h.
Old 4th January 2004
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Logitech wireless trackball as a laser sword? I don't need to put it down on anything, I use it like a weapon. I still use a mouse, a keyboard and the control surface, but this thing stays glued in my left hand, I'm altering my DNA as I'm writng this thread. ( I'm naturally right handed)
Old 4th January 2004
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Re: t ball

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666


i gotta second the tracker ball .. cant imagine life without..#

the kennsington ones are quite large..i use a stingray which was only Β£60 and is only about an inch across i love it..and its black yuktyy yuktyy evileye

666evileye

ps mices are AWFUL!madd
I love the Stingray! I used them for years and wore out at least 4 of them. Unfortunately they're not made anymore, so I've had to switch over to the closest thing I could find, which is the Kensington Orbit. I too find the regular Kensington ball to large & heavy. I loved the low profile & light touch of the Stingray, it kept my hand relaxed & I could work for hours & hours without my hand getting tired. The Orbit isn't quite as good, it's too tall.
Old 4th January 2004
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Tablet problems

I used to work on the Fairlight 3 CMI, which used a graphics tablet, and also a little on the SSL ScreenSound, which did as well and had the same problem- that the part of the tablet where frequently used commands lived would get quickly worn out, and then it became impossible to use those functions anymore, the cursor would just not go there. Seemed like a dumb thing to have to deal with on a $200,000.00 workstation.
Old 7th January 2004
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I will have to try getting a trackball. A Trident 80b was definetly not made for having a keyboard and mouse on it. The mouse cord gets in the knobs. I have tried a wireless Microsoft mouse but it is a piece of junk. Tracks slow and sometimes just stops working. Will check into the tablet thing also. Todd F.
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