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Interesting Bomb Factory / PTHD information
Old 5th July 2002
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Interesting Bomb Factory / PTHD information

Some dirty laundry is being washed in public over on the DUC.

If you are waiting for BF plugs to come to HD it's worth a look.

Click here http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ub...;f=16;t=013804


Old 6th July 2002
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I just sold off my BF plugins, as there is no firm date on HD.
I have been using a lot more outboard compressions and I still have the mcdsp comps.
The guy who has DP is happy to get them under half price and I could do with getting rid of a little HD debt. So we both win.
Old 6th July 2002
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I'll wait as long as I have to as long as BF fixes the problems with these plug in's not passing audio when I open sessions.
Old 7th July 2002
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its worth another look!

It's tuning out to be a real doosy!

heh heh heh heh heh heh
Old 8th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules

It's tuning out to be a real doosy!

Entertainment is where you find it, isn't it? Oh, well - it's his company... It's kind of sad, though - I understand that he makes a good product, as far as plug-ins go. I probably won't know first hand, though, because none of my DAWs will ever have any Bomb Factory plugs installed.

I figure that I have to deal with clients who are assholes, I don't need to deal with a vendor who is.
Old 8th July 2002
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Arrow

All other issues aside for a moment...

does Erik think that he can talk about Digidesign like that in public and remain in business with them? or is he 'ending' the relationship?
Seriously, how will Digidesign handle this?
Regardless of the 'facts' has Erik's style and level of disclosure gone past the point of no return in terms of a business relationship?

What do you think?

Renie
Old 8th July 2002
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okay, i cant hold it in any longer. i got a chance to play with boob****try plugins. the la2a, 1175, 660, eqp1, and moogerfoogers... well the voce too.

first off as "models", they SUCK. and i mean that. NONE of them even come CLOSE to sounding like the real deals... at least the real ones that i have come across. so in a "modelling" aspect, they DONT.

the moogerfoogers are terribly far from sounding like the real ones i have sitting on my racks. i ran them head to head, not even in the same ball park. the analog delay sounded wimpy and thin compared to the real deal, the phaser didnt have the range or character of the real deal. the lp filter while a usable plugin [im going to compare it to the DP stock filter later tonight] doesnt sound anything like the real one which is far more "rubbery" when you want it to be and has more byte and thickness that bf doesnt have... i didnt bother with the ring modulator. plus, whatever idiot thought of skewing the image of the units ****ed it up bad.... shoulda been straight on, no if ands or butts about it. the drive control certainly doesnt have the same quality or character of the real ones. plus, you cant even do a 10th of what real moogerfoogers can do in real life with the plugins.

as for the 1176, um... doesnt sound like any 1176 i have used before. actually i was quite disappointed in the bf1176. it just sucks ass, it doesnt do what a real 1176 does to the sound. definately doesnt whack the transients like a real one. the la2a faired as a usable compressor but does NOT sound like the real ones [again, the ones that i have used, vintage... not the reissues which i havent used]... the bf la2a had none of that sweet character of a real one.

i havent used a real 660 or eqp1 but in comparison to other eqs/comps plugins i could get the same sounds if not better out of other companies plugins so im not sure what to say about these.... except possibly a waste of money.


now for the functioning. the GUI's suck ass. the knobs dont adjust in a logical manner, tweaking them is a total PITA, i hate the way if you have one set and then go to change it it jumps to where ever you click on the knob with your mouse. as i mentioned above, the moogerfoogers are a total PITA due to the perspective of the gui.

the voce just blows on too many levels to even comment on.


so who really cares if it ever becomes available for HD or any other platform for that matter... or even if they stay in business whatsoever. i wouldnt wase any of my money on their trash, and hearing what it really sounds like.... their **** is WAY overpriced.
Old 8th July 2002
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Erik is stirring the place up even more than mixerman did. However Erik does seem a little .... err... well strange

In fact Erik is getting about and has been seen in Nika's forum!



It is fun to read but !!

heh
Old 13th July 2002
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Jesus! He is reproducing PRIVATE FAXES from Digidesign ON-LINE!

I know I went through my David against Goliath period with Digi, but Erik is using one hell of a sling shot!

As Rene said, it's quite likely to seriously backfire on him...

gulp..

Alas poor Erik, I knew him well........
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Old 13th July 2002
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It was kind of like watching a car crash.
He has now been silenced.
Hopefully - he will now spend his time actually releasing his HD plugs instead of posting. In his last post - he promised that they would arrive......soon?
Old 13th July 2002
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only a fool would bother to waste their money on such ****ty [yet pretty looking] plugins. so who cares if they EVER come out.
Old 14th July 2002
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erik gavriluk, the arsehole of the month?

digidesign, the ****ed up corporation of the decade?
Old 14th July 2002
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Well still the thing that got me even after reading the thread.
The Classic Comps were giving to HD users as part of the mix plugs upgrade a few months back, although I actually owned and had paid for them and have to wait for the upgrade to maybe Mid August early September. That is why I sold them off, I started using my McDsp comps more, yes I have to fiddle a bit more but they are great anyway.

I agree there is stuff not HD ready still, I got most of the plugins from many manafactures now. I just think BF would of had the HD boxes since at least Feb, so why has it taken so long to do even a few plugins at a time.
Old 14th July 2002
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Anyone else have digi censor your posts??? They kill one of my accounts, then kill a second (I assume because I had the name Digidesuck), and in the past have chopped up messages I've sent. Prick or not, I'd love to see Erik start a forum on the BF site.
Old 15th July 2002
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He has been seriously warned off, I doubt we will hear about any futher internal wrangles.. between Thrird party designer and Digi. But it was fun while it lasted..

I agree with the view that the epesode may have some positive outcome..

Long live progress!

Old 15th July 2002
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That would be cool if plugin manafactures had there own forum on there own page. Although they could get spammed and then have to edit the pages too and then people will think they are being secretive and then.....

So if they just updated there pages more as everyone mentioned to Erik. I mean HD info on the site until this week from Feb said HD talking weeks not months and that is the last we hear until now.
And then those tuner plugins etc announced back in sep 2000..then nothing.

I mean we also have lexi saying that digi is meant to do the HD stuff and digi say they only do support and sales. Would you think releasing it for HD would be support...

Not waiting for this to happen again with OSX PT for sure.
Old 15th July 2002
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so im assuming plugins all have to be rewritten for OSX as well?

the OSX switchover is going to be a nightmare... i know i am going to hold out until its well solidified with audio apps.... FCP is already in OSX and i would love for MOTU to come out with their hardware drivers so i can use my 1296 in OSX.
Old 15th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
... I know I went through my David against Goliath period with Digi, ........

God that makes me feel good .... thought I was the only one out there ......... heh heh
Old 16th July 2002
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Erik's finally posted a response regarding the scheduling for those who care :

www.bombfactory.com/news/bfhd.html
Old 23rd July 2002
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I was hoping that this thread was going to announce Digidesign compatabilty with the UAD and the Powercore....

It seems that this would raise the bar on plugins, and bring to PTHD the major developers who are currently missing in action, TC, BF, KIng of Loud, Oxford EQ.....

Dagnabit.
Old 24th July 2002
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Erik rides again!

See here!

http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ub...;f=16;t=014146

That dude never disapoints!

Old 24th July 2002
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man, the DUC i filled with idiot sheep.... and the digidesign people are the dumb leading the blind. everytime i read a post there i am temped to register just to "correct" a lot of what garbage is said over there.

most engineers dont change gain while recording?!? im ALWAYS changing gain while recording. maybe not on stepped pots [although i have sneakily done that... my crane song does NOT pop when changing via the stepped pot] but rather the master pot found on a lot of preamps.... just set the stepped pot for the lower level and then duck from the output pot when the section of the song calls for it.

then again, people still want to buy butt****try plugins, for what reason i cant comprehend... maybe because they look pretty?
Old 24th July 2002
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I agree with Erik on this subject (which is a little disquieting...) - if I'm using a pre with a stepped pot, I'll usually make gain changes on the output of the compressor (or a combination of output and threshold, depending on what I'm hearing.

And I think it was Bob Olhsson who suggested that in may not be possible to ride the input gain on a fader on either of the Digi consoles. What's up with that?
Old 24th July 2002
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Many manufacturers are using VCA and DCA type of technology and as a result , high quality potentiometers 'Pots and Faders' are getting harder to source for replacements and for new gear.

Old 25th July 2002
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rollz
Old 25th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
man, the DUC i filled with idiot sheep.... and the digidesign people are the dumb leading the blind. everytime i read a post there i am temped to register just to "correct" a lot of what garbage is said over there.

most engineers dont change gain while recording?!? im ALWAYS changing gain while recording. maybe not on stepped pots [although i have sneakily done that... my crane song does NOT pop when changing via the stepped pot] but rather the master pot found on a lot of preamps.... just set the stepped pot for the lower level and then duck from the output pot when the section of the song calls for it.

Well, I'm gonna have to agree with you 100%. Feels weird, but I guess I just have to anyway.

The Digi product rep making up BS about why (apparently) loud clicking/popping sounds are a normal and healthy part of a good mic pre design is just so bogus.

I can't believe anybody is buying that line of reasoning. We've all been in the heat of battle where a singer is still on the first pass, starting to crank louder and louder, the take has all sorts of vibe on it and you're attempting to artfully ride the gain down so as to not blow the vibe. Stepped pot or not, the take is the thing and, without the clicks, craftily getting the gain back to save the take is still possible on a traditional mic pre.

Yes? You with me there? You too?

Plus, changing the gain on the pre is a whole different thing than on the compressor. Affecting the Threshold being one biggie there.

I can't imagine much that would be less confidence inspiring to the singer than hearing some "48v phantom being switched on/off" type sounds in the cans while trying to sing, even if it's just getting levels.

Hey, a thought. Maybe he's taking a tip from the software guys. The mic pre clicks are not a bug.......they're a feature .

Oh well, I guess you could always mute just before changing gain dfegad


Regards,
Brian T
Old 25th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by BrianT
The mic pre clicks are not a bug.......they're a feature
And bingo was his name-o....
Old 8th August 2002
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Exclamation Digi ban Erik

Has the fat lady sang now?
Old 9th August 2002
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Erik rides again!

He is back on the DUG, bitching about Digi's console build, Digi's relationship to Mackie, in fact, anything exposed of Digi's he can sink his pointy teeth into - he's going for it!

Most entertaining....

How DOES he do it!?

rollz
Old 9th August 2002
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It is kinda nice to have a CEO of a company associated with digi on 'our side'. Love him or hate him, he's providing useful info about digi.
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