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Old 16th January 2007
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amd dual core 64 with HT2000 chipset.....any users ??

i'm helping a friend with a new daw.
maybe a dual core amd 64.
acer have one called an aspire.
very reasonably priced.
it looks like it uses a hi performance chipset called an HT2000.
for improving performance etc.
the system seems very fast and has a TI firewire interface also.
is anyone useing this set up currently ?? with the HT2000 chipset ??
any problems ?? with sound devices ??
Old 16th January 2007
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I don't know of any chipset with that name.

HT2000 likely means HyperTransport, 2 GHz (low end chipsets are 1.6 GHz). Its the bus connection/speed between the processor and the southbridge chip doing all the peripheral connections. AMD64 processors have the memory controller (aka MCH or northbridge) built into the CPU to lower memory access times. Server chips have an additional HyperTransport link to connect to another processor.
Old 16th January 2007 | Show parent
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Hi Manning


I quickly dug up some info on the Ht2000 chipset ur describing...

from amdboardDOTcom:

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The HT-2000 is targeted at the volume server market with the capability to efficiently span from one-to-eight CPUs without incurring large latencies.

The HT-2000 is a highly-scalable SystemI/O solution for 64-bit/32-bit processors that can be configured to meet OEMs' needs for a variety of product segments. The dual processor configuration shown above can be used for mainstream tower and rack servers. Additional HT-2000 devices can be added to a system to scale to larger multi CPU servers.
I believe it's the controller chip for all the latest dual-core+ Athlons/Opterons....

and wouldn't be cause for alarm.... unlike firewire chipsets ...etc.

built a fairly new set-up myself.... no real problems as of yet.... (Raid controller... but was my fault)...

hope this helps any...

cheers

p.s the HyperTransport is 2ghz.... but is a combined number (1 ghz X 2)
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jay/turnitup...
re ht2000.
cheers for the info...this morning i stumbled upon same lol.
the retailer let me look inside the acer and it looks like some nifty things are going on.
it looks like several manufacturers make a HT2000 chipset......broadcomm, serverworks and some others.
i might even get one for myself cos only 599 buks....lol.
n retailer says i got 30 days to return etc.
acer tend to be very smart.
but my concern was sound device compatibility of course....lol.
i DID manage to find some specs on HT2000....and it looks like a very hi thruput
chip which maybe explains why the acer i tried seemed so responsive n fast.
i'm aware of the memory point re amd.
it seems the idea of the HT2000 is to boost performance from what i can see.
thanks jay.
by the way....what sort of upper end track limits are you seeing with your new system ??
Old 17th January 2007 | Show parent
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Hi Manning


yeah.... i kinda figured ya would've seen the info at amdboard etc... figured id post anyhow.... if not only for other lurkers...

I really like Acer's route here... function over fashion in terms of their home PCs... great prices too... and i think they've hit both with the ferrari notebooks.... k....could've saved a few minus all the frills.... but great looks and great performance as well... (dual-core turion).

In terms of the soundcards...interfaces...etc... with the Ht2000... i'm only guessin here.... but i think they're all work fairly well...a hiccup or two from some im sure...but overall .... should be ok... especially RME ...they're usually on the ball...

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i DID manage to find some specs on HT2000....and it looks like a very hi thruput
chip which maybe explains why the acer i tried seemed so responsive n fast.
I think it's safe to say....thats exactly why it seemed that way....clock speed only gets ya so far...

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it seems the idea of the HT2000 is to boost performance from what i can see
.... lot less bottlenecking taking place... and i think this chip is the main reason that allows a user.... to simply drop in the new quads (when out)... change the BIOS.....and carry on. at least one gets the impression it is.

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what sort of upper end track limits are you seeing with your new system ??
haven't really used up too too many... using about the same as i have in Reaper when i was on the P4.... im with you on the losing track of the session when the track counts hits galactic numbers... im in around 40+ tracks... (without live drums mind you.... nor any ambient micing of any sort...working on the resources to do so). Im just really pleased the fans dont kick on as much as they use too... ... lots of power in reserve.... CPU meter barely moves... and this with SIR reverb all over the place...

without a doubt...... could push 100+ with all the dynamic processing i could muster from the inventory .....easy. and probably still have room for word processing and web surfing (I dont practise this....webbing on the daw system)....but could if i choose too.

cheers Manning... always enjoy replying to your posts/threads...
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cheers jay....your a decent bloke.
sorry i might have missed something.
your running dual core amd "s ??
whats your config ??
i'm going back to do more testing of the acer dual 64 today.
acer are doing v well here in canada.
of course to keep the price down it seems they put a commodity drive in there ....
which is daft considering the HT2000 approach.
this was a acer e series desktop.
looks like it was made for server duties even.
or hi thruput needs.
so i would bung in a couple of hi performance drives prolly.
by the way the 1.66 rpr version seems to drop system demands here.
thus i can squeeze more tracks in.
if u got a ton of little clips in a track and the tracks fixed i find if its a filler track rendering the shebang to a contiguous ogg file seems to help also.
i agree ..not a fan of huge track counts.
overproduction imho.
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Ditto Manning... ( u're good people)

config....

i had written it in another thread ... but will just cut and paste from the post i had listed it in....

Thermaltake Eureka case and PS (600 W)
Asus M2N32 WS Pro (AM2)
AMD Athlonβ„’ 64 X2 4600+ (2.4ghz)
Crucial 2 gig RAM (2 dimms) PC 8000
(4) WD Raptors (10k) system : 74 gig
audio : (3) 150 gig

here's the thread... anyhow ...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=84887

was considering an out-the-box set-up...but i guess habits die hard... heh

Considered Acer ... greatly... but just really liked the Thermaltake case ...deal on the Raptors... and it rolled from there.... plus i really wanted to be sure i could swap for the quads... what better way then a MoBo change.. not just chip.....new PCI architecture right? never know nowadays...lol...nothin's safe.

Yeah...i hear you about the HDDs ... but an easy swap....soo.... all forgiven? lol ... for most of what Acer's clientele would use it for...adequate... would be the term.... but yea...i hear ya.

the e360? im thinking? is that the deusy you're refering too? thats the one i was eyeing .

Track counts .... i kinda like to squeeze in the (eg. say 20 sec clip tracks) into others with the room and correct timeline. Sort of consolidation. Should i need to record only that track with only the previous soundfile on it... might start looking into automating a mute there. and that specific (eg. 20 sec) region... if possible and which ever DAW im using.

cheers for the tip about ogg rendering... as well as 1.66 ... kinda been stagnant on the updates... after 1.24 ... (Reaper as the recorder) all has worked well....

cheers Manning

OT note: played with Digital Performer 5 alil bit... ... me likes.... now the hurdle and self-crucification.... i haven't touched a MAC since the mid-90's...lol... now im considering one... the dual-G5's are going for silly money... and the symphony card raised my eye-brows....

Manning please knock some sense into me. heh
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jay...
thanks for the info on your system.
i might plop for the acer myself.
cos so cheap.
got more testing to do.
re mac.....mbp is sure nice.
but as i'm happy with my current daw software ...(does everything i ever want to do...note rpr....is implementing a autotune capability that started in last release it looks like (REATUNE !!..look in fx display !!....).....plus now has a NR feature....looking better all the time.....)
no reason for me to sink 3k into something.
also i'm worried if apple might come out with new models.
the acer is 600 buks...not much to loose.....but 3k on a mbp worries me frankly.
and the memory costs are a concern also.
quad cores/octos/god knows how many cores are coming.....
so i'm being prudent.....lol.
Old 18th January 2007 | Show parent
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No problemo my friend...

Manning... i don't really see how ya can go wrong with the Acer... HD update.... and you're ready for take-off... 600 !! thats what?? from what i hear a yr or two of WUP ... lol ... of course a tease waves fans... go easy on me.

The MBPs do look tempting... but apple ... IMHO ... kinda hit the ground with only one foot there i believe... pro version !! without a 7200 HD ?? ... yowzers... is kinda the reason i was looking in the past at the g5s much cheaper now.... and gets my foot back in the door... i can honestly see myself juggling two DAWs ( potential nightmare?)... dp and reaper... just import files accordingly within each... Reaper managing the PC goodies...and DP managing MAC specific goodies... and that damn symphony/apogee set-up my wallet is shaking in fear for...

heh ... Reaper's a locomotive on the right tracks....full-steam ahead, carrying all the precious cargo without a care in the world right now... i dont see how ill ever be without some sort of DAW running reaper... REATUNE nice touch ....thumbsup

cheers Manning...

confident the Acer will do ya right...if you do decide its too good to pass up... cus it really is a steal for that asking price..
Old 18th January 2007 | Show parent
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jay...cheers.
actually reaper has worked out well in more than one way for me.
someone approached me on the rpr forums who is also a rpr user about
writing songs together. a really nice guy and v talented.
we are just completeing our fourth song together.
him and i trading tracks back n forwards over the net. writing songs together. and getting on very well....
complementing each other very well.
and we anticipate finishing an album of 12 songs in the next year.
8 more to do. we are haveing lots of fun jay....
which just shows the positive aspects of the net in bringing folks together.
the album is going to floor any album A n R guy.....cos we are doing what i call a variety album. ie..an album covering a wide gamut of music genres.
ie...some songs heavy rok, others 50's style, others bluesy and others even romantic as well as comedy....ie....spanning many different genres of music.
so its gonna be an interesting year.
we are working hard but haveing fun.
he is very good at drum n bass n guitar tracks and has a great ear.
i'm terrible at drum tracks n bass.....i'm doing arrangeing/lyrics/vocs for example....so its a nice division of responsibilities.
we are haveing a hoot.....lol.
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yes i hear u bout the acer.....lol.
but my gearslut demon in the back of my head ....lol.......keeps on whispering....
"octocores are coming....then (french ??...lol.)....sez cores (16).......
then trente deux cores (32)....lol.
................................
its gonna be real interesting this time next year to see what more the reaper devs have implemented.
i'm haveing trouble coming up with new feature requests to ask for on the
new feature requests forum.
cos as it stands at the moment it does way more than i need.
the only thing ive asked for ....and its been a bug of mine with lots of daw software ...is the ability to build drum tracks more easily.
and autogenerate drum fills......via a dialogue. ...ie..the user enters the time points
for fills in the song...plus samples to use.....and the software generates what i call a special drum fills track as a wave. sort of like band in a box does with solos and melody autogeneration....but for drums. i guess sort of a built in ezdrummer type of idea plus extras.
one thing i love about reaper is ......ive always liked the suite of dx effects in
powertracks cos they use so little cpu and sound so nice...for example round a vocal. and so i'm very happy cos rpr loads them instantly..so i can put a nice echo or rvb round a lead voc for example without useing gobs of cpu.
i havent had one crash useing this approach.
so for me reaper n powertracks is a dream come true. my perfect daw imho. i refuse to use any products with dongles or wup or whatever. and still get songs done.

you lucky devil....symphony plus apogee....way outta my budget.
as retired. meve next year i'll finally have enough for decent convertors...rme or lynx perhaps. just a tip.....and mebe its a nono to some....but i heard a song
done by a rpr user that was excellent. he said he used a phonic firewire mixer.
i was very surprised.

all the best.
Old 18th January 2007 | Show parent
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Manning

very, very cool... gotta love the freedom the net provides.... man how cool is that.... finding a collaborator on a forum about software ... use to have to travel alot for that kind of exposer to others with similar interest.... which gets rather expensive... again very very cool.... im really glad to hear .. wishing all your projects bring yas smiles.

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him and i trading tracks back n forwards over the net. writing songs together. and getting on very well....
complementing each other very well.
excellent !!.... just curious as to which format u both send and receive ? are you ( since both running Reaper) ...sending Reaper project files... or eg. Wave ? Bwave? ogg? ... really would love to hear some insight here as to which you both find easiest to manage ... Im always gathering up info in this respect... once i settle out things here... i have a feeling ftp sending/receiving and such might become a big part of what i'll be doing. cheers for any info....Manning.

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many different genres of music.
so its gonna be an interesting year.
we are working hard but haveing fun.
he is very good at drum n bass n guitar tracks and has a great ear.
i'm terrible at drum tracks n bass.....i'm doing arrangeing/lyrics/vocs for example....so its a nice division of responsibilities.
we are haveing a hoot.....lol.
excellent... some very interesting genre's you both are heading into... lots of room to play with rythyms....and melody... etc.

biggest PRO in collaborating.... feeding off each others strong points.... and knowing when to pass the torch at weaker points.... sounds like the two of you mold nicely... good stuff Manning.... look out A n R ... ....

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Lol... i hear ya.... i have to remind myself.... more times than i care to wish to say.... even when they do.... it'll be a while yet before their full-power is realised in a DAW... ...tis the only thing that keeps me sane. lol

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very interested myself... >
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its gonna be real interesting this time next year to see what more the reaper devs have implemented.
that auto drum generate is a great idea... but Manning.... haven't the drummers already taken enough sticks and stones thrown at 'em ?.... ....hehe

I might have to visit the Rrp forum more often.... im usually there to see more goodies.... links to software vst's etc.... might have to think up some easily to implement and hopefully useful additions i would enjoy seeing in Reaper.... mind u... for what im using Reaper for.... it is fitting like a glove.

Those dx efx are definitely very light on CPU use... and not to shabby either.... i agree... i also agree with the dongleless approach.... but if for whatever reason....i might have to ( really really enjoy something that requires) ....id have second thoughts....but might spring... hasnt happened yet though. (thank goodness).

curious.... since u mentioned vox responsibilities.... Manning... have you had the chance to have a look at (Celemony) Melodynes plug-in.... is a vst... and just might drop into Reaper without hitch... ReaTUNE and Melodyne could be a very powerful combination for vocal alignment and creative tickle? ... lil pricey compared to most plugs for Reaper....(k.. in this context....rather pricey)..but going by the demo vid on site....looks to be a marvel.

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you lucky devil....symphony plus apogee.
lol .... potential lucky devil .. ... has eluded me also... hehe need the MAC first.... ive even considered the Ensemble....but fire on my wires is scarying me.....lol. not to mention ...buggy driver betas...

i just might write a song..... lol .... chorus : I've got the buggy driver beta................ blues( lil reverb tail on blues... and a few sec delayed sustain)....lol with alil echo thrown in too....

all the best to you too Manning. hoping when its completed... u'll allow me a listen... even if just tid bits....

cheers
Old 18th January 2007 | Show parent
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jay..answers.
1. trading formats.
for ruff ideas just mp3's.
or oggs. or waves. via yourfilelink.com.
2. yep...we are focusing on each others strong points.
its working a treat.
3. re drummers...i'm not anti drummer its just so difficult to find one
that keeps it simple where a song dictates it should be simple.
if u know what i mean.
4.re celemony. if i sing off...i just resing the darn thing till i get it right...lol.
i only sing the odd note off anyways..at least i hope i do...lol.
anyway in rpr n powertracks i can just pitch shift the odd note up or down a few cents.
normally with me its up a few cents.
5. re low cpu useage plug ins. i'm constantly amazed the money folks shell out for plug ins...
when powertracks ones are practically a giveaway.
ive tried tons of plug ins and keep on returning to them cos they just work.
then there are the rpr ones. so tween the two i dont need any others.
rpr reaverb was just updated...did you know ??
loads impulses etc etc. i defy anyone to find a better combo than
what i use. imho the powertracks dx plug ins are unknown by too many people
or theyve never bothered to delve into them in detail or vastly underestimate them.
same with the rpr plugs. its all in how one uses them.
or people look at the low price and stupidly assume they cant be any good.
check out the TC helicon in powertracks sometime jay...
i mean REALLY check it out. it'll create harmonies from a vocal track for example.
6. re....a listen. sure. by end of 07 our target is to have album finito ,
then set up a site etc.

all good fun.....but tons of work.
i keep on telling friends jay getting into recording n songwriting...
its more than just slapping an mbox or whatever sound device on a pc.
songs are an extreme amount of work...often underestimated by a lot of folks.
just hour upon hour of trying to build a sound picture.
one of my songs the lead guitar tracks took 400 hrs work to get the tones to lay down right.
just a ton of work. twas ever thus...lol.
all the best.
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Hi Manning...


cheers for sharin' ...

definitely understand the MP3 transfers for rough ideas... but what about come actual mix time... raw file tranfer for the actual composition.... using Wave?... or Ogg? which one more so....

yea...hear ya... i kinda feel for the drummers though....when things remain simple over a long stretch of time.... is hard to keep enthused without adding alil something extra.... back beat for example... probably best to program drums in that situation for both partys sake....

Mentioned Melodyne if only for ... the way i enjoyed how everything was layed out.... three layers of pitch editing.... pitch center, pitch modulation and pitch drift.... lots of creativity potential for pitch re-tooling. sound re-composition....etc. You know... i whole-heartedly agree with you Manning about re-tracking the source if something isn't right...... it should be the only way.... im more interested in the melodyne plug for experimentation... track once.... re-arrange a bazillions times.... heh ...example an acoustic guitar.... dry signal one channel.....copied in another....on the second channel/track..... experiment with single note re-placement....as well as a maybe gradual rise in pitch..... then opposite way...gradual fall in pitch.... but blended seemless with the dry signal of the guitar... just really crazy things you'd need two guitarists for with crazy tunings if i were to track... in melodyne....most functions work well in real-time.

Wasn't aware about rpr reaverb being updated... .... cheers a bunch...

Lol... I think most songwriters/composers (though can only speak for myself)...... even after spending months on only a few tracks.... will always feel if its still only
halfway to where you'd like it to go... is anything ever really done? hehe... but i hear ya.... and AGREE 200 percent...about hard work/ but fun as hell though i really believe the hard work part is a self-infliction.

All the best to You too...

got powertracks up and running again... .... gonna go ahead and dive alil deeper... the TC helicon especially....... cheers again.
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Manning


.... are you using an FTP server to share?? or email? if the first.... please have a look at this thread and maybe shed alil info for this fella as well as myself.... if not... maybe shed alil light as to why the way you're doing it is working out... if you are obliged too... no sweat either way.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=104737


cheers...very much appreciated..
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jay....
re..formats.
for finals i find ogg or wav is fine.
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heres an example of two packages working well together...
rpr n powertracks.
as an example....something the other day that worked via happy accident/experimenting.
i got this zoom g1 here that my lovely wife bought me for xmas as a little pressy.
iuse it for roughing out guitar ideas. anyway....other day i recorded
a lead track into rpr useing it..wasnt ultra thrilled with the sound picture..
so i went hmm...lol...experimentation time.
heres what i did,.
1. duped the track in reaper.
2. on the duped trak i offset it a couple of millisecs (in rpr item properties ..
right click over guitar track with mouse ...is very usefull.)
then under trak fx i inserted a rpr guitar amp sim (jesusonic fx..)
....i think i used the dumble setting.
rendered to a new trak...
so now i have the original zoom track plus a dumble amp sym trak.
i render like this cos i dont have a quad core....lol.
3. on the dumble track in rpr in fx i now called up the dx
powertracks echo/chorus plug in,....inserted it and adjusted wet vs dry.
while dumble amp sym track was running.
adjusted the various params in the powertracks echo/chorus plug in
...i think i messed with delay a bit....and some of the eq cut offs also...
4. then i put the volume of the dumbled/echo/chorus trak under the original dry one...
and suddenly i had turned the zoom track into something interesting.
sound picture wise.
try it sometime ...its a blast.
the KEY is getting the amp sym set up rite n the powertracks echo/chorus and the offset of the duped trak.
it took a bit of trial n error..but the boring zoom guitar track now sounded interesting picture wise.
ive done the same with tracks recorded useing a rokman as well.
6. another trik i do is same idea...record a vocal.....
now dupe it in rpr .....and heres the scary part...lol...
put an amp sym on it plus powertracks echo/chorus...print the shebang to a new track ...
and mix it with the dry vocal. once again setting choices are important.
see what i mean...??...tween powertracks n reaper i got some interesting options. lol.
............
by the way if your exploring the TC helicon in powertracks ....make sure you also
explore the vocal styles. there are different ones.
if your recording midi guitar ....make sure you explore the various displays for guitar note display.
(ctrl and 7 ..to display guitar fretboard which will also display bass etc.)
also a little known but v usefull feature is midimon.exe included with powertracks.
highly usefull for tracking down any midi probs....or say some weird setting thats been buried in a midi stream
which is confounding you.)
also note if you have a boring drum track powertracks will let u pitch transpose a midi drum track say.
ive had interesting alternate drum tracks this way.
eg..turning a rok drum trak into a latin one......lol.
just go carefully thru all the tips of the day in version 11 cos there are a boatload of em.
notice the syncing option to external devices and sending real time messages etc.
just make sure u correctly identify the drivers (as one does in rpr) in preferences for audio and midi.
on that system of yours powertracks should run like a bunny rabbit on steroids....lol.
if u ever get a chance on that system....its an interesting test to see system speed....i would be curious how long the following takes in powertracks.
record any old audio track......hilite whole track in audio waveform window....
then select edit>>audio effects>>pitch shift n set up pitch shift to pitch up an octave.....then PROCESS n tell me how long it takes. just curious.
i sometimes use pitch shift like this to take a guitar track in powertracks
dupe it then pitch shift up an octave on the dupe for doubled lead ideas.
ie..third or fifth whatever..sort of harmony lead ideas.
obviously. what sound device do u use ?? out of interest ??

all the best.
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jay...
re useing ftp etc.
we are useing yourfilelink.com to trade traks/song ideas etc etc.
heres how we do it.
lets say he has a song idea...procedure.
1. he uploads song idea as mp3...n i listen to it.
2. i ask him for the raw tracks which he uploads.
3. i get the raw tracks....as an example...we have this nice funnyrok song we are doing currently....he had just a few bars of the idea lets say..say a minutes worth.
with the raw tracks i then extended and arranged the idea....added some parts etc.....via recording/editing. added some lead idea for example for him to consider.
then sent him back via YFlink .....an mp3 of what was in my mind.
4. then he ok's arrangement or not....or massages further.
5. once we agree on arrangement...we trade final traks via YFlink.
on song currently i'm mixing/mastering....then send final master to him
once again for his take etc . we both make sure we back up the song tracks in case one of us has a catastrophic computer failure.
is this the type of info u needed ??
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Hi Manning

cheers...

wav or bwav sounds doable...and is read by most systems....ogg too
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We kinda have the same approach when it comes to messin about with the sound files... ie... multiple tracks for a single source. Can definitely see the flexibilty you mention in Reaper/Powertracks... and im sure is apparent in most DAWs... its amazing what can happen to sources when spread out over a certain number of tracks.... tweaking each just a little too taste yet leaving the essence of the original.... very cool Manning.... do it all the time myself.

heh you mean you don't have a real Dumble Amp to use ?? heh

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... will definitely check out TC in the respect you have suggested.. ... u know me... ( referring to the discussions we've had about physics etc..) heh ... im game for challenges and new techniques...

I do have to admit.... im not to literate in Midi...... not sure if ive ever mentioned that before.... i might have once or twice... .... just have always had a work-around... not trying to avoid.... just a quark ive had... but i WILL a look see.

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that system of yours powertracks should run like a bunny rabbit on steroids....lol.
lol ... should being the key word... ya never know in this multi-driver world... the amount i have played with... it moves pretty good... no comparison to the P4 i was on. much much quicker.

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record any old audio track......hilite whole track in audio waveform window....
then select edit>>audio effects>>pitch shift n set up pitch shift to pitch up an octave.....then PROCESS n tell me how long it takes. just curious.
will definitely check for you... you have me interested myself... the only downside... i might not be able to get around to it today.... ( job interview in the evening.... lol ... need more greenbacks for this here love affair with gear) .... i shouldn't be on now this long... lol...but ...just love it here on slutz.

Hows tomorrow sound? that way ill have more time to explore TC alil more too.... i might have questions....hehe

cheers


p.s im using the DAL Card deluxe i swapped from the P4 i was using... hence all my interests in the symphony.... love to get more inputs into the 'puter. If i dont go symphony.... ill pick up an RME 9652.... and interface converters that way.
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we trade final traks via YFlink
cheers... yep... honestly any info wouldve been much appreciated... just getting a feeling of whats being used to do this sort of trading about... In the ( hopefully) not so distant future.... would love to be able to collaborate as well... and (what im really striving for) .... mix for others .... over an ftp type network....

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we both make sure we back up the song tracks in case one of us has a catastrophic computer failure.
.... good think'in .... never have too many backups i say.


cheers Manning .... (ur good people)

have a good one!!
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jay....
i hope you get the job ..thus more gear...lol.
frankly that sound card of yours....DAL... IS well respected.
i undrstand lots of masters were done in the past useing it.


re...midi.....well it can have a significant advantage.
one being you can have oodles of midi tracks with little processor useage if your driving outboard midi modules. which you can find dirt cheap these days....
and multi timbral also.
softsynths different story of course. i think some powertracks users use garritan orchestra for example.
by the way.....a trik......if doing midi in powertracks notice you can set the midi ppqn resolution quite high.

re pitch shift test.....sure i can wait ......be curious to hear how long it takes.
cos as you know i'm evaluating new systems right now.

if i remember dal were mme ?? then developed wdm ??
so in powertracks preferences make sure you select the right input n output drivers.
ie..OPTIONS>>prefs>>audio will show u the dal drivers u have installed.
NOTICE.a ...TIP....in the audio drivers dialogue....notice
the button move selected devices to top. this is telling powertracks your selected devices upon cliking DRIVERS button.
also ensure that you tick full duplex record/play.
if your dal only has mme...make sure that mme is selected.
then on the track itself right click on the midi plug icon to select it as an audio track instead of midi.

all the best.
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jay..
ok i checked on the DAL site.
theyve had a wdm/asio driver .....for some time now.
thus in powertracks prefs you would choose wdm in and out.

to record the audio track before pitch shifting.
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i hope you get the job ..thus more gear...lol
Thank You very much... and is exactly what i was thinking....

The DAL card is great... picked it up... because of all the things i read about it... and u know... they werent lying...for the price.... very very tough to beat. Even by lynx card standards...

I hear ya about the MIDI.... i just havent had the resources that required Midi therefore havent had the need to dive in... will change eventually. I have a roland synth i use... D-10...but use the quarter inch outputs ...

heres some info on the D-10.... really like it....
http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html

next i might look into a Kurzweil. k2600? ... course after all the other goodies on the list... theres even a Fearn vt15 ahead of this sucker...so it may be awhile....lol


cheers Manning.. running the test now.... just need to make a coffee.... ...cus its down to business time...
Old 20th January 2007 | Show parent
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Manning !!


i'm curious how long it takes you...... because i couldn't even get a count... THE moment i hit Process ..... the bars were filling up... three seconds in total ? it was that fast....... MY FRIEND.... ya have ta get a dual-core athlon set-up.

The Track was a solo vocal take.... in stereo(placed on a single track).... recorded a while ago...


CPU hit maybe at the highest 4.7 percent....9.9 in total..... on the powertracks meter.

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i had alittle trouble with the DAL ... WDM/ ASIO2... in settings... so i switched back to MS sound mapper settings (you may notice in the photo)....i figured the card wouldn't make any difference what so ever to this particular test....as its more system resource based... processing etc... am i correct in that assumption ?... if not...ill troubleshoot...and re-run test. but im thinking im ok in the assumption. i gotten ASIO driver errors in powertracks... ?? not sure why... works a charm in Reaper.

anyhoo....

but interested in what you think about the process time...... believe me when i say.....tis was FAST.... my digital cam completely missed the pitch-shift pop up...plugin set 2 ....? i clicked during processing....lol....by the time the flash went off........was done......hows that?

cheers
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jay.....
holy crapoly.....thats the best time ive heard yet on ANYTHING !!!!
most pc's...around 30 secs minimum. for a 3 minute audio track.
superb. powertracks has fast dsp so i'm not surprised.
as one of the tech support guys told me once. useing 64 bit registers if i remember.
just to confirm....how many minutes was that voc file jay ??

on the asio question. pg have on line chat or the 1-800 number mon to friday.
i would ask em about it. i suspect its an asio setting.
tell me what shows up in powertracks asio dialogue plz.
some powertracks users also use asio4all which many find works great with powertracks. so as an alternative try it with your dal card.
asio4all ive found is very good with lots of sound cards.
tell me what happens.
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Hi manning


AHhhhhh..... thats why so quick.... it wasn't 3 mins...... was about 1:47 ... but it was pretty damn fast ....let me tell you.... the moment i selected the process button..... the indicator bar was quarter full....then just continued soo for three? bars....then done....


i'm running the demo Manning...v 11.. not sure if im considered for the support...until i have purchased the product???

as well as the lastest ASIO driver. 2.7 (4)...lol..... can u say beta.

it was fine ...pre this version.... i might have to down-grade for now...


cheers
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gotta tell ya though....

if you were on the fence about the dual-core amds..... .... you wont be sorry.

and in all fairness... when the quads and octos come out....itll be yet awhile before implementation is past a beta point....

i say go for it

cheers
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jay.....
even so....3 min track....worst case prolly 6 secs....to do pitch shift.
even at 6 secs blows away anything else ive seen.
but just a run a test with a 3 minute voc track.
i'm sure worst case it'll be 6 secs.
(whisper whisper...jay.....i tried the same test on a early int dual core...
not core duo.....took over a minute.....but maybe retailer had system set
up wrong.)
i like pitch shift cos it is the test that normally takes the longest.
it just shows u have a v good system.
..............................................................
re contacting support about asio/DAL drivers.
i did that many times before buying the product years ago.
as have many users who went on to buy powertracks.
lots of posts in the pg forums if u read em about exemplary support.
so just contact em. from my tough questions ive thrown at em
over the years theyve been nothing but v quik response.
i expect a new release will prolly be made soon.
from my past years useing the product.
so expect to see bout 30 new features... i wouldnt be surprised.
thats what they normally do.
i got in at version 8.....and normally upgrade every couple of years n pay
the 29 buks upgrade fee.....which i think is a steal imho.
by the way theresa trik i heard of recently to get 96 traks....
but thats for another day.
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another test of mine is the noise gate tests.
once again in powertracks i record a 3 minute vocal.
then hi lite whole track. then...
edit>>audio effects>>gate.......
set threshold around -19db for a hot track.
on an amd 64 (single core) to date i had best time......
to noise gate say a 3 min guitar amp track or voc track....
THREE SECONDS. be curious if your pc beats that.
prolly at best shave a second off.
by the way...ive tried many software daw noise gates and have yet to find a better one. the KEY is that THRESHOLD setting.
youll see when its working right..heres a big tip.
in the waveform window .........say you have a noisy guitar amp track.....
youll see the low level noise around the center line horiz between
waveforms. u set the threshold so u just see the line only.
ie..so your not clipping off real signal.
usually tween -19db to -24 db depending on how hot sig is recorded.
by the way under audio effects>>>echo.....
is a v nice echo plex. for guitar.....but ya gotta know how to use it.
ive also used it on vocs. by varying wet v dry.
in echo dialog....bottom left hand corner clik the down arrow n select echo plex.
also try guitar trails.....some very interesting settings/nice sounds to discover in the echo dialog if your willing to spend time with it and run tests/experiments.


peace.
ps..i forgot to mention a little trik.....theres a way to get a whole rhythm section going in powertracks without recording an audio trak !
i'll give you a clue.....lol...then lets see if u can work it out....then i'll tell you.
the clue is midi pattern beats in the built in drum window.
there are TWO.....did you find them ?? hehe......
now look at the bars window...a very usefull window for buuilding backing tracks.
now look at classics view......heh heh .....
i used this approach on one of my motagator songs called motorshop.
where ineeded bed tracks fast.
see if u can figure it out first.....then i'll tell uthe trik.
its kinda nifty !! and cuts down processor load in a huge way...all the best.
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Hiya

I was kinda blown away myself.... in all fairness... i expected to get a shot of the processing in action for ya....lol.... but it just happened to quickly.... my camera (though adequate) ...its a kodak... just wont take the pic quick enough.... i tried again.... lol....the flash takes awhile.... by flash standards. :( ...long delay... it works on the release and not depressing of the button... anyhow....

I have a feeling that intel machine must not have been set-up as efficiently as it could've been... even for first gen dual-core....that seems like a much longer time than usual. ?


will definitely get in contact with them ... thumbsup ... as well as muster up as much info as i can on the interknot. im betting its something minor... a setting perhaps... i'd be interested in that 96 track trik hehe .... we do dwell in the land of gear and trickery


GATE TEST :

left everything the same ... even gearslutz running... forgot to mention that...

this is pre-process...

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same file (just so i can compare process time...) same all...except gate now leaving the compressor function in !!!!! ready !!!

I counted 1... then alil bit....before the screen cleared the process window... this with comp in....gearslutz site opened....

not too shabby heh
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trying the ..... NO record....rhytym section trick now ...ill let ya know how its going ...heh am i gonna lose hair on this one ?


cheers Manning
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jay.....
frickin incredible speed.
amazeing.
one reason i think is that powertracks is takeing advantage of
the 64 bit registers in your floating point unit ...fpu....which in your machine obviously is dam fast...lol.
you have a lovely pc.
cos you had other things open at same time.
thats the best performance ive seen bar none on noise gate.
best ive seen is 4 secs as i said.
you can imagine the time saved if a grunge band brought in a ton of noisy tracks they had recorded with a crappy sound card and wanted to clean up.....lol.
you could have an octocore and due to the time it takes to instantiate certain win activities no way that time will be beat.
maybe microseconds ?? lol lol.
by the way....a tip....i noticed from that screen shot you also have compressor ticked.
when doing noise gate....untick compressor.
its a multi purpose dialog. i prefer to do two passes...
noise gate then seperately compress/tweak.
on some material i find it works better depending on source track audio.
..............................................
further clues on the bed trak trik....lol...lol.
ctrl + 9 brings up classic view.
notice the headings CH and KEY.....
drums are normally channel ch =10.
via the drum grid display built into powertracks.....set up a drum pattern.
load it into track. or import a midi short drum pattern.
notice bars window will let you copy n paste huge chunks of traks...
ideal for moving around arrangements etc etc.....
ie...u have a nice first chorus and want it elsewhere in the song.
done in 2 secs flat...lol.
(but that trik is for another day...)
OR a quikie..EDIT>>>fill trak with drum pattern.
there are many ways to build drum patterns.
so get one in a track of the many.
now lets take a simple chord progression.....A D E.
in bars view assuming drum pattern on trak one.
copy a bar of drum pattern to bar one of track two....
and to bar two of trak three ....and bar three of track 4.
in classic view in name field......label trak 2 C chord....
trak 3 D chord.....and trak 4 .....E chord.
in classic view ensure trak one ch = 10 for drums....
and ch for other tracks not 10. you can do this with just the built in MS synth.
just for muckin around.....until u use a nice sounding midi module.
now heres the trik......the KEY column in classics view.....
enter a value so that when the trak plays back it corresponds to the sound of C.
i normally play the note on my guitar or midi kbd till the right key number is entered.
this way you can turn a measly simple drum pattern into a full backing bed track.
once all chords are done......you set the track patch to whatever you want bass, piano, trumpet whatever you want.
lets see if u can figure the rest out .....lol.
lots of triks to discover. without recording an actual audio trak.
good for sketching out song ideas.
then notice once the bed traks are down you can convert to an audio trak !!....
thus lower pc load. you could have twenty traks running like this with minimal pc load therefore.
the key of it....is useing bars view for arrangeing the patterns....
(and also notation view n piano roll n the event editor if u wish to delve deeper....)
and the crux are the settings in classics view.
its a real help for people who say have an old pc and cant do loads of audio tracks for example.
lots to discover......just dig oh ninja....lol.
ps......a long time user of powertracks....v talented....
uses it on his bands songs......pretty impressive....
http://www.simpletonguru.com/
clik on music for plays of music snippets.
just to show one doesnt need expensive software to do a song.
just a delta sound card if i remember n powertracks.

all the best.
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Although alittle disappointed in the outcome...(Patriots fan) ....i had dedicated yesterday to NFL... and would like to apologize for the late reply.


Cheers... i left the compress in...although i agree had i done the processing for the audio instead of a test...i would've done them seperately.... but i left it in...just to see the outcome in the test.... tis the only reason...

:(

The Rhythym bed track trick...

not too many functions are accessable in the demo....unfortunately... when i click on the drum view plug-in? is this the view i need to be in? it gives me a " can't run midi .dll or .exe plugin with demo" ...

classic view....et al...work fine...its just getting into the drum view.... :(

is this the view??
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just dig oh ninja....lol
Im a tryin' sensei... if this is the view....ill consider the purchase... just might take a few days...i usually purchase through money order... CC is still suffering from Xmas....lol....

cheers Manning...let me know if i need the drum plug-in view? in order to get started on the attempt to de-trickify the No Audio rhythym bed enigma... heh

cheers


p.s had a listen to simpleton guru ... not bad...

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just to show one doesnt need expensive software to do a song.
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jay....re demo.
oh ....ok....
yeh..you can do it with just bars view and classic.
the drums view shows a pic of a drum kit visually and lets you record
pc keyboard keystrokes linked to the drum kit for those folks who cannot afford lets say a midi keyboard.
ive used it for building quik drum patterns for driving samples etc.
if you seriously want to get into midi jay...
you should familiarise yourself with allanahs web site.
she hosts a load of midi stuff..and files etc and is sort of the midi mother hen i guess for scads of powertracks
users. also a notation person... with tons of midi files you can import and play around with and get beat ideas.
and song ideas. i'll try n find her url site when i get time...
or just search the pg forums for allanahs posts.
ok...heres how to do the trik.
we'll take it a step at a time.
step one...the easy way...select a track and go to in menu fill track with drum pattern.
(or use the drum pattern generator.)
tell me when youve done that. select any music style that pops up
in the dialog put in 50 bars say to fill.
now bring up bars window and youll see a track has been filled with blocks representing each bar.
tell me when youve done that. bring up the notation window n youll see notation has already been done. and event editor n piano roll...all been filled in.
automatically.
make sure ch = 10 for drums.
by the way ....they have a full 30 day return policy....
so i never bothered with the demo originally.
they are a very well off company.....with a huge user base so dont be worried theyll stiff you for 50 buks....lol.
huge world user base.

there are also midi tutorials on the pg site....and if you get the product.. videos ship with it for playing on the pc. tell me when step one is done.
and we will continue.
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