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Old 3rd September 2014
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FCS MSP-02 custom analog Mid/Side processor

This just in from Roger Foote...

FCS MSP-02 analog mid/side processor. This is a variation of an earlier design that can be found on this thread:

FCS Precision Analog Mid-Side processor

The main change from the msp-01 is that I requested custom values assigned to a rotary switch for the variable level control of the mid and side.

The degree of monitoring control this unit affords is quite comprehensive. It proves to be a very useful tool for independently processing the sum and difference in the analog domain. The ability to solo/monitor the sum or difference either pre or post of the analog insert (in my case, an EQ) is very handy. Thanks again to Roger Foote, for delivering yet another solid custom tool!
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Old 3rd September 2014
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Nice job done by Roger, as useual.
Old 4th September 2014
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Very nice, how much?
Old 4th September 2014
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That looks great. I kind of wish it had a basic stereo input and output gain, but I realize that would add to the cost.
Old 4th September 2014
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Maybe Roger could hop in; what kind of switches did you use?
Old 4th September 2014
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beautiful!
switches look like RAFI?
Old 4th September 2014
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Rotary=Elma
Push button=NKK
Old 4th September 2014
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Hi,

What Levi said, rotaries are Elma type 04 and the PB switches are NKK industrial PB switches.

The price on these is $2,900.00 USD + shipping

Best regards,
Roger Foote
Old 4th September 2014
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I couldn't resist! Another pic...
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Old 4th September 2014
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That's a lovely looking thing. The price seems great as well, Roger.
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Quote:
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That's a lovely looking thing. The price seems great as well, Roger.
Thanks, HM!
Old 4th September 2014
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Very nice Roger!
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Quote:
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Very nice Roger!
Thanks Radiance!

I wanted to add that the unit normally ships with Elma 21mm collet knobs.
The black metal knobs that Levi has were special order. Add $20 for those.

Best
Roger
Old 5th September 2014
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I think that I mentioned this on the old MS box thread, but the core circuit design was done by Wayne Kirkwood. Wayne is an accomplished audio engineering guy who works/ has worked with the likes of THAT Corp, MicMix, SSL etc.

A brilliant designer!

The MS circuit is also available as a DIY project
Pro Audio Design Forum • View topic - MS Matrix Boards Now In Stock

I did the PCB layout for the DIY MS project, btw.
Old 5th September 2014
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Wouldn't muting the side be the same thing as soloing the mid post insert?
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Wouldn't muting the side be the same thing as soloing the mid post insert?
Hi,
Actually, no... I can see why that would seem true though.

When you mute M or S and you are not in solo mode it is after the decoder and it's related gain correction.

Solo is for listening to your insert only, pre and post insert but solo is taken pre decoder for adjusting the devices attached to the insert I/O..

Best
Roger

Edit:
When I put in your handle, it adds an emoticon related to the first three letters of your handle, ayson
Funny...

Last edited by RogerFoote; 6th September 2014 at 09:52 PM.. Reason: funnt thing
Old 6th September 2014
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Here is a block diagram to illustrate the signal flow.
See attachment
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Old 19th May 2017
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Hi,
As of April 1 2017, the prices are as follows:

MSP-02 (potentiometer/toggle switch version) $2,000 US + shipping
MSP-02 (switched -3dB - +3dB / illuminated pushbutton switches) $3,250 US + shipping
Old 31st January 2018
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The MSP-02 has been retired.
The prices above no longer apply as we have discontinued production.
Contact FCS for details.

We have one more, after that it's history as they say!

All the best,
Roger Foote
Old 31st January 2018
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I might be down to sell someone mine if need be, not using it much these days. potentiometer version.
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Hey dogoftears,
Thanks!
The one I have is the "deluxe" version which has the Elma +/-3dB attenuators on Mid and Side. The labor building those level controls are why it's so expensive, listing for $3250 US + shipping.

I will blow the deluxe version out at half price if anyone wants it.
Brand new, still needs final assembly. All subsections are pre-wired.

Then there is the one dogoftears has, so choices are available.

I never found any use whatsoever for MS, meh...

But some engineers use them to great benefit, different strokes.

Best
Roger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerFoote ➑️
Hey dogoftears,
Thanks!
The one I have is the "deluxe" version which has the Elma +/-3dB attenuators on Mid and Side. The labor building those level controls are why it's so expensive, listing for $3250 US + shipping.

I will blow the deluxe version out at half price if anyone wants it.
Brand new, still needs final assembly. All subsections are pre-wired.

Then there is the one dogoftears has, so choices are available.

I never found any use whatsoever for MS, meh...

But some engineers use them to great benefit, different strokes.

Best
Roger
i love MS eqing on analog EQs! but i have a knif eksa coming soon which has the matrix built in, and i don't need it much for other gear, so it will have to hit the block.
yes mine is pot version with metal switches. i was just using it for the insert so the m/s boost/cut was not used much or at all, hence pot version.
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As I said, others use it, I haven't had any use whatsoever.

I might like a transformer based one better, don't know...

But, I learned the recording arts in the 1960s, new tricks, old dogs etc etc...

As far as a commercial product goes, people seem to want the simple encode/decode boxes. Super featured boxes like mine and the Zahl miss the mark in many cases, where all we need is an E/D process.

The extra features are probably better, well way better using a console.

Whatever, never really got into MS stuff except maybe MS recording which I do with acoustic instruments using my AT 4050 as fig 8. TBH, haven't done that either for ages...

Then we have some emails I got that just ripped me on my price.
That price basically covers labor to build the main part and more intensive labor building the precision level controls.

I responded about the controls and the guy says, "Good luck selling your cheap looking $4,000 box with 2 pots" "Btw, it looks like DIY on the inside"

That's because I wired them by hand... Silly me!

After that series of emails, it seemed just STUPID to keep it in production.

With a box like that where we sell maybe 5 of them total, I wasn't able to sell them at $100 over cost of parts which would have to happen to sell them in a real market. I got talked into all the features against my better wisdom.

But It isn't a $4000 box, it lists for $3250..

As for the guy who wanted it badly but for $950, I never could see why he wanted it if it looked so cheap and DIY???

I told him 3 or 4 times that he wants the IGS or Avenson as they were built in quantity, hence a much lower price. He still continued to bash my gear, all of it actually, including my compressors... I know they are simple and industrial looking but I never thought they were cheap looking!

I guess IGS and Avenson are built in a small shop? I was thinking maybe they struck an overseas manufacturing deal in China, Viet Nam, whatever.

Probably just quantity purchasing though.

I will be happy to put this thing to bed! I don't want to lose any more days trying to defend my products from a troll like I did this week.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerFoote ➑️

Then we have some emails I got that just ripped me on my price.
That price basically covers labor to build the main part and more intensive labor building the precision level controls.

I responded about the controls and the guy says, "Good luck selling your cheap looking $4,000 box with 2 pots" "Btw, it looks like DIY on the inside"

That's because I wired them by hand... Silly me!

After that series of emails, it seemed just STUPID to keep it in production.

With a box like that where we sell maybe 5 of them total, I wasn't able to sell them at $100 over cost of parts which would have to happen to sell them in a real market. I got talked into all the features against my better wisdom.

But It isn't a $4000 box, it lists for $3250..

As for the guy who wanted it badly but for $950, I never could see why he wanted it if it looked so cheap and DIY???

I told him 3 or 4 times that he wants the IGS or Avenson as they were built in quantity, hence a much lower price. He still continued to bash my gear, all of it actually, including my compressors... I know they are simple and industrial looking but I never thought they were cheap looking!

I guess IGS and Avenson are built in a small shop? I was thinking maybe they struck an overseas manufacturing deal in China, Viet Nam, whatever.

Probably just quantity purchasing though.

I will be happy to put this thing to bed! I don't want to lose any more days trying to defend my products from a troll like I did this week.
Please Roger, don't take it to personal. Your products look and sound stellar and there is nothing wrong with it, especially not the P3S compressor. Otherwise they would not have been that used in studio's worldwide. Still love mine and use it on a daily base!

Yes, some people build things cheaper but does it have the same QC and research as your your products? I personally think not.
Also keep in mind that there will always be people that want things as cheap and fast as possible. Too bad that is the world we live in right now..
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Thanks Jeffrey!

I am trying to not take it personal.
After cooling off that is...

Some people just hit you with their mocking snide-ness at the wrong time.

You are correct, it is the world we live in. We won't be able to change anybody's attitude.

I just got pissed off when I recommended my competition's products 3 times and that wasn't good enough he still wanted to infer that I was being crooked , dishonest whatever.

To which I answered,
Get an Avenson or IGS, they are a lot less cash!
And I bet they are both excellent!

I agree that the MSP-02 is overpriced.
But I have built, what, 5 of them?
Every time an order comes in I have to order parts, usually around $800 worth to start a new build. This is because I don't stock the panels, switches or Elma controls.

Time to retire the MSP-02!
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Roger, I don’t own any of your products, yet. But you are one of the most respected people on GS, and no one of any level of integrity or credibility around here feels that have ever been crooked or dishonest. We can’t please everyone. And we should never try to. It’s impossible!! You’re an inspiration sir!! Looking forward to an EQ designed by you!!!
Old 1st February 2018
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Roger's stuff is full aerospace level and built to last forever.....
You get what you pay for...
Old 1st February 2018
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Thanks guys!

The guy caught me off my guard.
Something about the sleazy, mocking, snide approach to negotiating prices that I am not compatible with. Felt like some old worn out guitar center floor mat after that conversation.

Unleashed all this un-internalized anger!

Peter Capaldi for president in 2020!
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I am pretty sure most of us have dealt with such clients for mastering...it is a red flag when someone questions your prices and lately I do not give more attention than needed
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Discretion is the better part of valor. I'm sure you could think of some ways to embarrass him. Like asking for a credit list.
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