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Old 10th November 2009
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Best CD writer for mastering

What CD-Writer do you use for mastering?
What do you think is the best cd writer for mastering?
Old 10th November 2009
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Maybe try looking at the Mastering Forum?

luck
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I think there is a consensus about this: Plextor
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is there really any difference???? Are you asking about hardware or software?
I sure would like to know if there really is a difference in cd burner's!!
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Reliability, lack of errors??

I use this one:

Premium2

They say this about it:

PoweRec
Plextor Optimized Writing Error Reduction Control (PoweRec) adjusts laser power and writing speed so they're at the optimum settings for that particular disc. Using real-time monitoring of the write data, PoweRec can increase or decrease write power and speed to guarantee the best possible writing quality with whatever brand media is used.

Audio Master Quality Recording
To improve recording quality still further, Plextor’s PlexWriter Premium2 incorporates Yamaha’s Audio Master Quality Recording system. Users can create studio-quality audio masters that not only sound better, but can also increase the life span of their valuable recordings. In addition to reducing jitter, it can improve playback compatibility (for the widest range of players), increase the lifespan of audio CDs and backups, and protect valuable data.
Old 11th November 2009 | Show parent
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I say hardware

I say hardware burner and about sound quality, lack of error, etc...
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I use a Plextor Premium 2 but avoid all the fancy stuff as it can create an out of spec CD. They're not easy to find these days although you might have more luck in Korea.

Cheers

James.
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We just bought a 2005 NOS Plexwriter Premium on eB*y from a trusted seller.

They're out there... but they're going for a... well... premium!

I'll install it in an enclosure today for testing...

JT
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I use an old Marantz 630 (bought before CD duplication became v easy.

It has fantastic ADC's on board (DS 64 X Oversampling (2.83 MHz), 1BIT), a great error correction circuit and solid clocking, plus down sampling for 48kHz signals, optical, coaxial, XLR and RCA inputs.

There is a huge amount of stuff that can change how a CD sounds when recorded.

D
Old 30th November 2009
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I have a brand new (and unopened) Plextor Premium 2 listed in the classified section if anybody is interested, it's located in Milwaukee, WI. I accidentally ordered 2, only need one...
Old 3rd December 2009 | Show parent
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I have a brand new (and unopened) Plextor Premium 2 listed in the classified section if anybody is interested, it's located in Milwaukee, WI. I accidentally ordered 2, only need one...
If you're mastering, you need more than two!
Some Premium 2's are better than others, with regards to errors!
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Hmm, you're probably right, but when I installed the Premium 2 in the 2nd bay of my Mac Pro, something went wrong and it wouldn't boot past the blue startup screen and I had to redo the OS, it's all good now but I am definitely not touching now that the computer is happy again.
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Hmm, you're probably right, but when I installed the Premium 2 in the 2nd bay of my Mac Pro, something went wrong and it wouldn't boot past the blue startup screen and I had to redo the OS, it's all good now but I am definitely not touching now that the computer is happy again.
Do you succeded in installing it in a Mac Pro?
Does the Premium 2 have a proper Mac OS driver or are you using it in Windows with Bootcamp?
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yeah, it works great in my early Mac Pro in OSX 10.5 with no additional driver installs.
The later Mac Pro's apparently have SATA connections for the optical drives so it won't work in those. It physically installed pretty easy, but upon first startup it wouldn't boot. After a few hours of troubleshooting I just reinstalled Leopard and used time machine to restore it to it's last saved state and all is good...i think installing in a FW enclosure would have been smoother...
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yeah, it works great in my early Mac Pro in OSX 10.5 with no additional driver installs.
The later Mac Pro's apparently have SATA connections for the optical drives so it won't work in those. It physically installed pretty easy, but upon first startup it wouldn't boot. After a few hours of troubleshooting I just reinstalled Leopard and used time machine to restore it to it's last saved state and all is good...i think installing in a FW enclosure would have been smoother...
Great!
Does anybody know if FW enclosures and/or FW chipsets can cause errors in the writing process?
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Installed a Plextor 716 in one of our Mac G5's... a Pioneer 112D in the other G5.

They both work great.

We also have 6-8 other external Plextors to last a few years down the road.

JT
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Great!
Does anybody know if FW enclosures and/or FW chipsets can cause errors in the writing process?
They shouldn't do. I have a PC tucked away out of sight and a Plextor firewire/usb external drive in front of me so that I don't have to go to the PC each time I want to access a CD. It worked fine for ages until I did a Windows update. After that it would read but wouldn't burn. I've since changed computers and it is back to working fine with the new computer. The software that I use treats it exactly the same as an internal drive.

Cheers

James.
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Originally Posted by Jperkinski ➡️
yeah, it works great in my early Mac Pro in OSX 10.5 with no additional driver installs.
The later Mac Pro's apparently have SATA connections for the optical drives so it won't work in those. It physically installed pretty easy, but upon first startup it wouldn't boot. After a few hours of troubleshooting I just reinstalled Leopard and used time machine to restore it to it's last saved state and all is good...i think installing in a FW enclosure would have been smoother...
Run a Premium 2 in a caddy if you're using either a G5 or Mac Pro!
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Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb ➡️
Installed a Plextor 716 in one of our Mac G5's... a Pioneer 112D in the other G5.

They both work great.

We also have 6-8 other external Plextors to last a few years down the road.

JT
Wise move to have a few of em!
Old 16th December 2020
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Resurrecting the old thread, apologies.

So, are the Plextor drives still the leader in CD Writing for Audio?

These are out of production from more than a decade, and are very very rare to find at a good price in a good state..

Are there any drives available today which are as good as these, especially considering any advancements in the past few years?

Thanking you in anticipation,

DarkAlex
Old 16th December 2020
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I think almost any drive can produce a CD within spec. It's having the capacity to test for errors that's trickier these days.

Any reason why you wouldn't just use DDP?
Old 16th December 2020
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Any garden variety drive for $20 at your local computer store is probably just as good. I burned through all of my Plextor drives and started buying random Pioneer drives. Burned and tested a lot of discs and found them to have comparable error rates to the best of my former Plextor drives.

Why do you need to burn CDs?
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Why do you need to burn CDs?
In 2021 no less.
Old 17th December 2020 | Show parent
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Any reason why you wouldn't just use DDP
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Why do you need to burn CDs?
Thank you for your response!

I was just asking for academic purposes

Okay, to be honest, I was asking because I wanted something for myself to burn audio CDs, with all the mess about CD's available over the internet, I was confused that even CD's can have jitter errors and that you need the Plextor Premium2 writers paired with Taiyo Yuden Gold CD's to get the absolute best quality possible, burning these at 4x/8x at most.

So I googled up these things and surely they were the best of the best in the 2000s, nothing surpassed them, many use these writers to this date

I was just wondering whether these technologies are still unbeatable or the 20$ CD writer with a Sony CD-R is as good as Plextor + TY Gold in 2020
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Originally Posted by darkalex ➡️
I was just wondering whether these technologies are still unbeatable or the 20$ CD writer with a Sony CD-R is as good as Plextor + TY Gold in 2020
The TY situation has changed.

Taiyo Yuden quitting disc business/New CMC Pro TY production news
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burning these at 4x/8x at most.
This is false. You should use maximum speed for lowest error rate. It's easy to confirm if you find a Plextor. Btw, plextools still works fine in windows 10.
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This is false. You should use maximum speed for lowest error rate. It's easy to confirm if you find a Plextor. Btw, plextools still works fine in windows 10.
I found one step below max rate to be the sweet spot, but it’s splitting hairs. All errors are well within tolerance of the system.

Also, there is no jitter on a CD. Just data.
Old 17th December 2020
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The Thing is... many people still want a CD-R Master for their Archives.

especially Boomers and Gen X’ers

We’ve all seen Hard Drives & USB drives crash, and online storage can be iffy at times... e.g. hidden expiration dates & coronal mass ejections.

and CD-R’s on good media, properly burned, and stored in good conditions can last for decades.

i’ve got a huge archive going back into the 90s, and a large percent (90%+) still pass the error test.

Since they’re Not magnetic, they can’t be erased, unless left face up in bright light conditions.

there are probably about 10,000 threads about CD burners, and media,

that are all 10-15 years old...

iirc we all came to the consensus that Plextor Premiums (my fave is the 716) are the best,

and TY media is the best, but now extinct.

So I’ve been using Falcon media from DiscMakers of all entities:

https://www.discmakers.com/shop/falc...-blank-cds.asp

I’ve always found the middle burning speeds to be best ...16x usually, or 8x or even 24x.

The slow speeds burn too deep on “modern” media, fastest speeds burn too lightly, too many errors on both.

Fortunately I still have several Plextors that burn on Mac OSX. & also run tests well on my ancient Windows XP laptop.

I tested about dozen Plextor burners last year, had to discard about half of them, dead laser or dried out caps.

we’ve probably burned many tens of thousands of discs over the decades,

still have a color disc labeller that works too, lol.

cheers, jt

Last edited by Jerry Tubb; 17th December 2020 at 04:00 PM..
Old 17th December 2020
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i've had great luck with Falcon media and any old CD burner. currently just an old Apple external USB thing. i've never had an XLD log file not be perfect no matter what CD media or burner was used to make the disc, unless the disc itself is damaged. and even then it's amazing how close you can get to a perfect rip if you give it time.

most recent use of CD was to make a friend a mix... ofc i had to ask her first, if she has a CD player, which is hooked up to speakers. i have a 5 disc duplicator that i've been using as a drink stand for years now....
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Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb ➡️
The Thing is... many people still want a CD-R Master for their Archives.

i’ve got a huge archive going back into the 90s, and a large percent (90%+) still pass the error test.

I’ve always found the middle burning speeds to be best ...16x usually, or 8x or even 24x.

The slow speeds burn too deep on “modern” media, fastest speeds burn too lightly, too many errors on both.
Sorry I’m confused. If this is for archival purposes, then why not burn straight wav files on the CDs instead of making CD-DA? Or does burning wav files also introduce errors? I was under the impression that only CD-DAs suffer from writing errors and if you burn straight data (in this case wav files) the writing error goes out the window.
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