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Old 10th February 2009
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Tool to create DPP Master

Hi
I need (very urgent) a tool to make a DDP master

I have a master CD and would like to transform it into DDP for uplaod to a server - I know the bid mastering tools can do this but is there also a cheaper to which is able to do the job?

thx for your help
Old 10th February 2009
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Audiofile Engineering - Wave Editor

Mac only though...
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If it's urgent, and you've never created DDP file sets before, I'd suggest you employ the services of an ME. It's not just a simple "conversion" process. There's many here that could do this for you reliably, even over FTP. The price for this service wouldn't be unreasonable.
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ok guys

I need this very urgent - who can do this asap for me? I'll upload audio master (toast file and data file - its a cd with videos on it as well) and you upload the DDP file to the cd company
give me a pm or mail to: [email protected] if you can do that and give me an idea how much it will be

thx a lot!
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i dont think you can make a DDP of a mixed mode (video + audio) disc
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jdg ➑️
i dont think you can make a DDP of a mixed mode (video + audio) disc
true? could anybody confirm this?

because if not I have a problem...
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In this case you need to supply the DDP and the multimedia files seperately.
Old 11th February 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Darius van H ➑️
In this case you need to supply the DDP and the multimedia files seperately.
ok that means upload DDP file (audio cd) and

data part as?
Old 11th February 2009 | Show parent
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You'll need to check with the replicator and preferably someone there with the appropriate technical knowledge.

I've sent just the files needed in a zip archive and (to a different replicator) a CD-ROM ISO file - same type of source files but different 'containers' for different replicators.

This will cost some extra money and you had better make sure you get a test disc back from the replicator before signing off on the project.

Aren't you glad you took this gig?

Best,

Graemme


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Originally Posted by pete ➑️
ok that means upload DDP file (audio cd) and

data part as?
Old 11th February 2009 | Show parent
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Happy to help with the creation of the DDP image for the audio.

PM me if you're still looking for someone to do this.

You'll have to check with your replicator regarding the data part, hopefully should just be a case of supplying it as an ISO disk image, but you'll need to check.
Old 24th February 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darius van H ➑️
In this case you need to supply the DDP and the multimedia files seperately.
Does anyone know a software that can supply ONE DDP fileset for an Enhanced Audio CD? - Because this is what the Universal Plant in Hannover wants. They used to accept it uploading the DDP and multimedia files seperatly, but apparently they don't do it anymore. Here is what they want:

Audio CD Enhanced
Top level folder (UPC), containing:

DDPID (DDP Identifier),
DDPMS(DDP Stream descriptor),
DDPPQ(Subcode descriptor. The name is not
defined within the DDP Specification. The
filename must be determined from the
DDPMS file.
Examples:
DDPPQ, PQ_DESCR, SD, ...),
IC01.TRK(Audio Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC01.TRK, IMAGE01.DAT, ...),
IC02.TRK(Rom Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC00.TRK, IMAGE02.DAT, ...),
(possibly CDTEXT.BIN)
Checksum.chk or MD5-Checksum.md5 +
PQ-Data (TXT-File preferred, (PDF)

I know I could try to enter the information in a text editor and change filenames working from a 'normal' DDP2.0, but I'd rather not...
Old 24th February 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mischa janisch ➑️
Audio CD Enhanced
Top level folder (UPC), containing:

DDPID (DDP Identifier),
DDPMS(DDP Stream descriptor),
DDPPQ(Subcode descriptor. The name is not
defined within the DDP Specification. The
filename must be determined from the
DDPMS file.
Examples:
DDPPQ, PQ_DESCR, SD, ...),
IC01.TRK(Audio Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC01.TRK, IMAGE01.DAT, ...),
IC02.TRK(Rom Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC00.TRK, IMAGE02.DAT, ...),
(possibly CDTEXT.BIN)
Checksum.chk or MD5-Checksum.md5 +
PQ-Data (TXT-File preferred, (PDF)

I know I could try to enter the information in a text editor and change filenames working from a 'normal' DDP2.0, but I'd rather not...

geh leck - i thought mastering should be more about doing sound.....
keine ahnung bout that - beileid !
Old 24th February 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mischa janisch ➑️
Does anyone know a software that can supply ONE DDP fileset for an Enhanced Audio CD? - Because this is what the Universal Plant in Hannover wants. They used to accept it uploading the DDP and multimedia files seperatly, but apparently they don't do it anymore. Here is what they want:

Audio CD Enhanced
Top level folder (UPC), containing:

DDPID (DDP Identifier),
DDPMS(DDP Stream descriptor),
DDPPQ(Subcode descriptor. The name is not
defined within the DDP Specification. The
filename must be determined from the
DDPMS file.
Examples:
DDPPQ, PQ_DESCR, SD, ...),
IC01.TRK(Audio Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC01.TRK, IMAGE01.DAT, ...),
IC02.TRK(Rom Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC00.TRK, IMAGE02.DAT, ...),
(possibly CDTEXT.BIN)
Checksum.chk or MD5-Checksum.md5 +
PQ-Data (TXT-File preferred, (PDF)

I know I could try to enter the information in a text editor and change filenames working from a 'normal' DDP2.0, but I'd rather not...
I replied in the other thread you posted the question. Hope it helps. Best regards.
Old 24th February 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
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geh leck - i thought mastering should be more about doing sound.....
keine ahnung bout that - beileid !
Actually that's precisely backwards. Mastering is really about creating a master. This whole "creating a new sound" thing in mastering is relatively new.


GR
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Quote:
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Actually that's precisely backwards. Mastering is really about creating a master. This whole "creating a new sound" thing in mastering is relatively new.


GR
so so - why then the chandler , the requisite , the treated room....
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so so - why then the chandler , the requisite , the treated room....
To make sure that everything that has lead up to that moment in the recording process will reach the listener properly.

Mastering is the last place you have to hear and fix problems. If you do need to fix those problems, you need the best possible gear to do the job.

It is true that mastering has taken on a more creative aspect in the last few years but it has always been the case that the mastering engineer's job is to gently shape the mixes into something that will work well out in the real world. I try to do as little as possible for the best final result.


GR
Old 2nd March 2009 | Show parent
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Convert CDs to DDP images, Convert DVDs to DDP images

(Gear software also makes the DDP option for Merging Pyramix..)
Old 2nd March 2009 | Show parent
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Thanks Morgan,

I'm aware of the Gear Pro package, this is probably the way to go for me. With Gear Pro, the only thing bothering me is, that there is no way of verifying/simulating the replicated discs (since there is no possibillity of loading back the DDP and burning a CD from it) - which can be an issue.

I once had a case where 2 seconds from the end where missing on the DDP only - everything was fine in the project the DDP was created from (Samplitude). Somehow the End marker must have slipped or everything else except the End marker was moved when automatically creating the 2 second pause before the first track. I only discovered it loading back the DDP...

A little bit of paranoia can be healthy - especially when handling projects for platin selling artists.
Old 2nd March 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by mischa janisch ➑️
...I once had a case where 2 seconds from the end where missing on the DDP only
I've had the same kind of an experience and got to pay for the bad pressings from the faulty DDP tape.

DDP was intended as an internal disk image file format for replication plants. Years ago it was a good alternative to delivering 1630 tapes or CD-Rs as masters because most mortals couldn't afford the gear to test the integrity of a CD-R.

An error-checked CD-r gives you reliability and the ability to play it or a copy of it back and make certain there are no problems. In my opinion FTPing a master is the only sane reason to make a DDP at this point.
Old 23rd March 2009 | Show parent
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I've also had metadata that was present on the PQ Log, not make it onto the DDP's!

I always tell the client to take a printout of the PQ Log to the replicators so that it can be used as a checklist once the DDP's are opened, before making the glass master.

Sometimes a client will forget to do this!
Thats when the problems start.
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The Sonoris thing is out next month at last

Just paid for it to get the 25% advance discount.
Old 23rd March 2009 | Show parent
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The Sonoris thing is out next month at last

Just paid for it to get the 25% advance discount.
Hi Macc, almost count me in ...
Old 23rd March 2009 | Show parent
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It's not just a simple "conversion" process.
Hi fader8;3900180,

I'm very curious why do you state this. I've made several DDP's and it is a simple conversion process to me. Am I missing something here?

I don't have the computer in front of me, but I think it's called Generate DDP Files, it takes a mouse click and 5 seconds; several minutes for the DDP to be created.

Cheers,
Pupo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jpupo74 ➑️
I'm very curious why do you state this. I've made several DDP's and it is a simple conversion process to me. Am I missing something here?

I don't have the computer in front of me, but I think it's called Generate DDP Files, it takes a mouse click and 5 seconds; several minutes for the DDP to be created.
I use Sonic Studio and it certainly does not have a one=click capability of converting an already burned redbook CD into a DDP fileset. There may be some package out there that does that, but it's certainly not a feature I would ever need.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fader8 ➑️
I use Sonic Studio and it certainly does not have a one=click capability of converting an already burned redbook CD into a DDP fileset. There may be some package out there that does that, but it's certainly not a feature I would ever need.
I see...
Well it's Pyramix, so you have to do all the meta data stuff first and after that it's a click.

Cheers,
Pupo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by inlinenl ➑️
Hi Macc, almost count me in ...
I just started beta testing the Sonoris DDP Creator a few days ago - so far the DDP & .cue file import and export functions seem to work great - but there's some buggy behavior mainly experienced when you create a CD layout from scratch and its reference disc burning part that's probably is going to take a beta revision or two to fix before it's ready for release.

With it you will be able to:
* create a CD layout from scratch by adding in wav or aiff files, including adding CD Text, MCN, ISRC, along with pause indexes or subindexes
* import or export a CD layout to/from the .cue Cue Sheet format - and then edit this and save it if you wish
* import, export, and edit a CD layout to/from a DDP image (so, yes, not only can it create DDPi - it can also load back)
* burn a Redbook spec compliant CD-R master from any loaded CD layout
* import a CD layout from already existing CD-R audio master
* play from index point start times
* play index point transitions with user settable pre-roll time

Priced at a good bit less than Gear Pro Mastering it's looking like it will be another excellent offering from Sonoris.

Best regards,
Steve Berson
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Thanks for the info! Sounds like it will be just what I need.... I hope so cos I have already paid for it heh

How do the x fades and all that sort of thing handle?
Old 24th March 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mischa janisch ➑️
Does anyone know a software that can supply ONE DDP fileset for an Enhanced Audio CD? - Because this is what the Universal Plant in Hannover wants. They used to accept it uploading the DDP and multimedia files seperatly, but apparently they don't do it anymore. Here is what they want:

Audio CD Enhanced
Top level folder (UPC), containing:

DDPID (DDP Identifier),
DDPMS(DDP Stream descriptor),
DDPPQ(Subcode descriptor. The name is not
defined within the DDP Specification. The
filename must be determined from the
DDPMS file.
Examples:
DDPPQ, PQ_DESCR, SD, ...),
IC01.TRK(Audio Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC01.TRK, IMAGE01.DAT, ...),
IC02.TRK(Rom Image (one or more). The
name is not defined within the DDP
Specification. The filename must be
determined from the DDPMS file.
Examples:
IC00.TRK, IMAGE02.DAT, ...),
(possibly CDTEXT.BIN)
Checksum.chk or MD5-Checksum.md5 +
PQ-Data (TXT-File preferred, (PDF)

I know I could try to enter the information in a text editor and change filenames working from a 'normal' DDP2.0, but I'd rather not...
When they are talking about enhanced CD, can you also confirm please that they actually do mean a Blue Book CD, with CD-DA data as the first session, and then the XA data as the second session?
Or do they possibly mean what is sometimes called CD+, where there is (for example) a macromedia Director created runtime file? That would use an AutoRun for PC (which will most likely be disabled) and a mac user would have to do the best they could.
Enhanced CD would be better, but all you would get would be the CD-DA files, then the video files.
(The video files would be ISO9660 type, at 2336 bytes/sector).
The easiest way to make this a single DDP image is to burn the CD-DA tracks as session 1, leaving the disc open for a second session.
Then the XA data would be added afterwards, and the disc closed.
Once the disc is closed, it would go off to the mastering software for creation of a DDP image.

Either way - we can do this on DDP masters and FTP it/Pony Express it anywhere you like.
Please just PM me if you still need this doing (UK based)
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Quote:
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Thanks for the info! Sounds like it will be just what I need.... I hope so cos I have already paid for it heh

How do the x fades and all that sort of thing handle?
Currently it doesn't do cross fades at all, and I don't think Pieter has any plans to add this (there's also no support for adding any fades or processing and again I don't believe there are any plans to add this). I think the basic intention with DDP Creator is not as an audio editor but as a utility tool that will allow for quick creation and translation of CD layouts to/from: wav, aiff / cue sheet / DDP / CD-R master.

So - to do a cross fade you would have to set this up in an external editor to two wav or aiff files and then load them into DDP Creator.

Best regards,
Steve Berson
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Okey dokey - luckily I don't get tooo many x-fade requests. Still sounds just right though!
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