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Old 20th October 2015
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Gyraf G23



Thought I would start a thread here in the mastering forum on this EQ. This is a concept that I must admit I am very excited about: linear tilt with 2 bax shelves and a broad mid bell - really fits well with how I approach things these days.

I've noticed a couple of mastering studios using the G23 already and would love to hear people's impressions. Also interested to hear other people's thoughts. How would this fit in your chain/workflow? How might the G23 compare to other similar units: Bax, TK-lizer, even the Tube Tech HLT2A?

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Dom
Old 20th October 2015
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I had a chance to play around with it at the Musikmesse 2015 and I got surprisingly excited about it. It's a simple device to use and it performs an incredibly useful tilt function. I really must try and organise a demo soon.

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I had a chance to play around with it at the Musikmesse 2015 and I got surprisingly excited about it. It's a simple device to use and it performs an incredibly useful tilt function. I really must try and organise a demo soon.
Thanks Chris! Nice to hear from a long time Gyraf user.
Old 21st October 2015
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G23 top tilt!

Old Bax user here, I have now The Gyraf Tilt GXXIII which I'm finding for my needs more intuitive and more natural sounding on acoustic music. This tilt eq has a non stepped bax section which enables to perfectly adjust the final touch. Just a matter of taste, the Gyraf does Music and it is particularly useful as a last final touch eq in the chain. I love it for its sound and his ability to reshape the final mood of a master: you can perfectly balance the low end and high end content of a program.... a bit like bringing a kind of "analog tape" touch to the program. Sorry for my english, it's hard to explain. Demo it, taste it... it's really well thought....
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...Demo it, taste it... it's really well thought....
Want to try one and the G21 as well. But just like many others, no demo in this part of the world.

Back to work...
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Old Bax user here, I have now The Gyraf Tilt GXXIII which I'm finding for my needs more intuitive and more natural sounding on acoustic music. This tilt eq has a non stepped bax section which enables to perfectly adjust the final touch. Just a matter of taste, the Gyraf does Music and it is particularly useful as a last final touch eq in the chain. I love it for its sound and his ability to reshape the final mood of a master: you can perfectly balance the low end and high end content of a program.... a bit like bringing a kind of "analog tape" touch to the program. Sorry for my english, it's hard to explain. Demo it, taste it... it's really well thought....
funny that you write about the 'analog tape' touch - this was coming also into my mind when I used the g23 :-)
the g23 is in a way unhearable, but on the other side very organic and vibey - a unique tool.
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funny that you write about the 'analog tape' touch - this was coming also into my mind when I used the g23 :-)
the g23 is in a way unhearable, but on the other side very organic and vibey - a unique tool.
100% agree
Old 11th December 2015
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And how is the box tone compared to G14? Is it cleaner? What impact does it have on transients?
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And how is the box tone compared to G14? Is it cleaner? What impact does it have on transients?
the boxtone is less noticeable than the g14 boxtone, but there is this slighty sweet "danish touch" - lundahl transformers, tubeamp....
the filters themselves are very smooth and "invisible" - teh bax-filters are like silk - compared the dangerous bax-filters sounds like sandpaper.
there is always a sublime euphoric touch and a "tape vibe" - it blows you away for folk, jazz, ballads, orchestral music - but for metal or edm he can be a bit too beautiful

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Old 11th December 2015
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The tilt and bax filters are pots, correct? How's the recall and l/r matching?
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The tilt and bax filters are pots, correct? How's the recall and l/r matching?
i'm a fan of switches and asked for a switched version, but jakob didn't like switches and he's stuff is always easy to recall also with pots (the frequencies of the bax are switched), the knobs are big, the signs are very easy readable and the ranges are perfect. stereomatching is also ok.
Old 14th December 2015
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Coming to me in few days Looking forward to trying it and to compare it to G14 and BAX EQ
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the boxtone is less noticeable than the g14 boxtone, but there is this slighty sweet "danish touch" - lundahl transformers, tubeamp....
the filters themselves are very smooth and "invisible" - teh bax-fiklters are like silk - compared the dangerous bax-filters sounds like sandpaper.
there is always a sublime euphoric touch and a "tape vibe" - it blows you away for folk, jazz, ballads, orchestral music - but for metal or edm he can be a bit too beautiful
after using the g23 now some days with different material i have to correct myself a bit. i think the pure boxtone is the same like the boxtone of the g14 (the sweet danish sound with a bit add. lowend and smooth highs),
but the filters have a very different sound (invisible shelfs instead of characterfull bells).

it would be interesting to have 2 add. options - tube/solid state and transformer/servo!
the eq is also absolutely great like this, but i think the ambler-tilt-concept would be even more versatile with this 2 options.
Old 16th December 2015
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Ah... that makes it rather specialist piece more than universal one. G14 gets ~10% of the jobs here because of the box tone (though I'm very happy with it when it fits). I'd prefer very clean device that doesn't affect transients. Anyway I get G23 is part of the gyraf family so it should keep the the family sound.
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after using the g23 now some days with different material i have to correct myself a bit. i think the pure boxtone is the same like the boxtone of the g14 (the sweet danish sound with a bit add. lowend and smooth highs),
but the filters have a very different sound (invisible shelfs instead of characterfull bells).

it would be interesting to have 2 add. options - tube/solid state and transformer/servo!
the eq is also absolutely great like this, but i think the ambler-tilt-concept would be even more versatile with this 2 options.
I'd love that option too - it's the only reason I haven't gone for this box. I'd love it if it could be completely invisible.
Old 16th December 2015
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Then you should go for Dangerous BAX EQ ... But the truth is that most of the mixes that come around are mostly a bit sterile/cold sounding so any extra uplifting sophisticated touch (like that gentle Gyraf sound) is usually most welcome and highly contributing
Old 16th December 2015
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No tilt in dangerous bax. Tilt + bax controls in one clean sounding unit would be very good combo.

G14? The problem is in most cases I prefer it in bypass. It's cool when it works but on many good mixes it simply messes with things that should remain untouched. I'd like tilt+bax eq to be more versatile than that, because if I want color and some distortion I can always turn on the G14 or use colorful compressor. Though I understand some guys would buy just G23 and use it for what it is. That's fine by me.
Old 16th December 2015
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The best thing is to try which will happen in few days ... I am quite curious. One colleague in Slovakia sings high praises about the unit
Old 16th December 2015
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ADT audio has a clean, but not steril sounding niveau (tilt) filter for their module system that can be combined with a very flexible hi/lo shelf & pass- module in one HE.
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Then you should go for Dangerous BAX EQ ... But the truth is that most of the mixes that come around are mostly a bit sterile/cold sounding so any extra uplifting sophisticated touch (like that gentle Gyraf sound) is usually most welcome and highly contributing
I have a BAX, I'd like to get rid of it and get the G23...

I thought today it'd be nice to have a passive output you could run into whichever preamp you wanted. Like the Thermionic Pullet, for example.

Perhaps I'll mail Jakob, unless he sees this *cough*
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ADT audio has a clean, but not steril sounding niveau (tilt) filter for their module system that can be combined with a very flexible hi/lo shelf & pass- module in one HE.
the tilt of the g23 is a very different concept compared to a common tilt. the tilt in the slick eq works the same way - but sounds quiet different
left: g23-tilt alike design
right: common tilt design
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Old 17th December 2015
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Arriving on Monday I am very curious to compare it directly to BAX EQ. Talked to Jakob today, he said that combining it with G14 is the way it was originally intended ... so I will try it too ...
Old 18th December 2015
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The G23 is really more interesting and musical sounding to me than the BAX.
Old 18th December 2015
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This is always the point of our progression and new toys I postponed too masterings till Monday to be able to try to apply G23 already ...
Old 19th December 2015
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as more i use the g23, as less is see him as a "eq" - he's closer to a tape emulation with "overtone enhancer" who also make the sound denser (tilt), tonelux-loud-curve (bax mids) and the shelfs can be used for recalibrate the first and last octave.
Old 20th December 2015
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Did you find it useful also on acoustic music and acoustic instruments ?
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is it possible to one of you guys to put some audio examples ? it would be very interesting
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Did you find it useful also on acoustic music and acoustic instruments ?
often
it's like all tools - it fits sometimes and sometimes not.

the tilt-concept of the g23 is brilliant. the tube-amp and the lundhals are typical gyraf - sometimes wonderfull, sometimes not fitting to the material.

i still think that this great tilt-concept could shine even more with a switchable amp / input- & output-stage, but like this the g23 is a bit a "piece of art" and if it fits, its unbeatable.
Old 20th December 2015
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Tomorrow, it will arrive
Old 21st December 2015
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Welcome home Really ethereal tool ... very intuitive too

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