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Old 11th July 2021
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I'm wondering if one of GZ's edge-terminated designs like the MKIV might be more similar to the u89 than the MKI? I really don't know how Neumann's edge-terminated capsule is compared to a CK12, but I'm curious what the differences and similarities might be.

Regardless, a Warbler MKI makes for a great affordable all-purpose mic.
Old 11th July 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 ➡️
FWIW Advanced Audio might be still making CM89's.
I'm confident though you'll still dig one of the MKI's...
Chris
I had no idea AA made these. Are they pretty close to a U89?
Old 12th July 2021
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Unless you need multi-pattern, TLM 193, is also fine choice.
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Old 12th July 2021 | Show parent
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I had no idea AA made these. Are they pretty close to a U89?
Haven't heard one yet.
Found this out via another GS member posting.
I have faith in Dave Thomas, in any event.
Chris
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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Warbler mk6

So I have been looking for an upgrade coming from AA custom build to be like the cm800t I thought was dark sounding and didn't have that pop now I use a custom built mxl v67 with modded internals I've been debating on the warbler mk6 I just want something close to the Sony c800g in the 1000$ budget please help in using an Antelope zen as my interface and 1073 preamp
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by play/record ➡️
Hey Chess, I thought you might know a microphone tech that I can send my Apex 460 to for them to finish the capsule mod that I did about two months ago. It was very small solder points and my eye sight isn't what it used to be.. I swapped in an RK-12 capsule and the sound is very distorted from just speaking into the mic. I bought the capsule from microphone parts and asked him if he would finish the job for me? But, since I had already replaced the transformer and the tube, he said he would only work on a mic with a full set of his replacement parts.

From what I'v read in the threads, Michael Jolly retired.
I tried to contact Jim Williams on his website about a month ago, but never heard anything back.
Chris at Barbaric Amplification will help you out I'm sure.
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Wilks832 ➡️
So I have been looking for an upgrade coming from AA custom build to be like the cm800t I thought was dark sounding and didn't have that pop now I use a custom built mxl v67 with modded internals I've been debating on the warbler mk6 I just want something close to the Sony c800g in the 1000$ budget please help in using an Antelope zen as my interface and 1073 preamp
If you decide not to grab a 3U Audio mic, tell Chris at Barbaric Amplification you have $1000 and want the nearest thing to the Sony he can build for that. He'll get you close I think.
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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Chris at Barbaric Amplification will help you out I'm sure.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Do you know where his shop is located?
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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If you decide not to grab a 3U Audio mic, tell Chris at Barbaric Amplification you have $1000 and want the nearest thing to the Sony he can build for that. He'll get you close I think.
Thanks I had messaged him a bit before you sent this to me I'll see what he says, so what do you think about the 3u warbler mk6.. I mean if I can save some $$$ would be great 😂
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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Thanks for the suggestion.
Do you know where his shop is located?
He's in LA, California I believe.
Old 14th July 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Wilks832 ➡️
Thanks I had messaged him a bit before you sent this to me I'll see what he says, so what do you think about the 3u warbler mk6.. I mean if I can save some $$$ would be great 😂
I can't say, I have no experience of it, although I'm sure it will be a good mic.
Old 15th July 2021 | Show parent
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He's in LA, California I believe.
Fair Oaks, California
Old 15th July 2021 | Show parent
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Okay thanks yall, anyon egere have experience with 3u warbler mk6
Old 16th July 2021 | Show parent
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Okay thanks yall, anyon egere have experience with 3u warbler mk6
I do and it's a good mic for the money but It's not a C800G.

A couple of people have gotten the GZ800 tube mic and been extremely happy with it. Here's a demo: (He also makes a FET version.)

Quote:
Gearspace.com - View Single Post - Thread Dedicated to Just 3U Audio Mic Demos



Post 13419940 -Forum for professional and amateur recording engineers to share techniques and advice.
Old 16th July 2021 | Show parent
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Haven't heard one yet.
Found this out via another GS member posting.
I have faith in Dave Thomas, in any event.
Chris
Dave just got back to me and said it was a designation given to the prototype of what became the CM800T. The name derived from a CM48T template with an AK89 capsule.
Old 17th July 2021
  #6376
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No wonder that doggone thing sounds so good!
It was a C800G soundalike, in U89 clothing.
Or is that a U89 soundalike, in Sony clothing?

Chris
Old 17th July 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 ➡️
No wonder that doggone thing sounds so good!
It was a C800G soundalike, in U89 clothing.
Or is that a U89 soundalike, in Sony clothing?

Chris
2nd update from Dave and his wizardry: he said he could get the frequency response in the ballpark by modding the CM414 design.
Old 17th July 2021
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Very cool.
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Old 18th July 2021 | Show parent
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It seems one of the best ways to contact Jim, is through the phone.
You could also PM here at GS.
IIRC he stopped working on microphones.

You may also contact Chad @ Signal Arts.
There's a possibility he might still be modding my Warm model also. (He works on the tube 47 version,)
Chris

Thanks. PM'd a few days ago.. Don't recall seeing a phone#.. I'll look again.

I did a quick search for a Mic Tech in the NYC area, but surprisingly didn't find one.. Maybe someone knows of one??

I wouldn't mind saving a few bucks on shipping or even drive it there myself, especially if they will require the power supply to be sent...

Otherwise, I'll give Chad a shot..

Thanks again, Chris!

Matt
Old 18th July 2021
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Thanks! I'll look up Audio Upgrades.

audioupgrades.com
The phone and fax numbers are still there.
Chris
Old 25th July 2021 | Show parent
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I do and it's a good mic for the money but It's not a C800G.

A couple of people have gotten the GZ800 tube mic and been extremely happy with it. Here's a demo: (He also makes a FET version.)
Awesome sounds great thank you for the input , I'm not sure if he's still making the GZ800 I have asked about it and he hasn't responded, what would be the price difference between tube or fet if I could get the tube I would, and another thing I'm also thinking is would I come close to that c800g sound with a modded Apex 460 with a brighter tube and 8:1 transformer ccd follower kept in
Old 25th July 2021 | Show parent
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Dave just got back to me and said it was a designation given to the prototype of what became the CM800T. The name derived from a CM48T template with an AK89 capsule.
Interesting, I actually had Dave clone a cm800t out of a cv12 I once had with a rewire for a 5654w tube as he uses in that mic and a K89 capsule which I still have.. But sadly not sure if something wasn't wired correctly or something it sounded really dark, I wanted to get it fixed but prices shipping up to Canada are scary now 🇨🇦😱 if you have any cm800t vocal samples would be awesome shoot them this way please
Old 5th August 2021 | Show parent
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I've got a Warbler 1 (not the D version), a IV, a couple of CM-1 Blacks and a couple of CM-1 Teals, and I've got uses for all of them.

Of course it's good to have a variety to suit different voices one might work with, and I'm just rather curious about the W2.

Looking at the frequency response of the Warbler 1 and 2, I'm wondering whether a W2 would cover any particular application or voice type that the others don't. The frequency response of the W1 and the W2 look pretty close - looking at the V1 of each, the main difference I can see is that the W2 has a slightly bigger broad response hump centred on 3kHz.

Does anyone who has used both have any experience to share please?

Thanks, Gavin
Old 5th August 2021
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It seems as 3U are not selling any mics to Europe at the moment.
Apparently there is a compliance issue with the microphones.

I got word it will take to next year to be sorted.

*sigh* and I was about order.

Anyone selling a Warbler MKIII with or without the D? Preferably within EU?
Old 11th August 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by gmatkin ➡️
Looking at the frequency response of the Warbler 1 and 2, I'm wondering whether a W2 would cover any particular application or voice type that the others don't. The frequency response of the W1 and the W2 look pretty close - looking at the V1 of each, the main difference I can see is that the W2 has a slightly bigger broad response hump centred on 3kHz.

Does anyone who has used both have any experience to share please?

Thanks, Gavin
Hi Garvin,

yes, exactly as you wrote. For one singer I swapped WI for WII and it worked much better. I just swapped out of interest, as my WI delivered just fine (as always).
Having and working with both for a couple of years and many different applications now, I reach more often for WI. Simply because WI just delivers all the time, it never never sounds bad. It can handle everything from cranked amps on a live stage to whispering voices. WII is a little bit more special. But still a great allrounder. Sometimes the lower output causes some noise for very quiet sources.
Old 11th August 2021 | Show parent
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Hi Garvin,

yes, exactly as you wrote. For one singer I swapped WI for WII and it worked much better. I just swapped out of interest, as my WI delivered just fine (as always).
Having and working with both for a couple of years and many different applications now, I reach more often for WI. Simply because WI just delivers all the time, it never never sounds bad. It can handle everything from cranked amps on a live stage to whispering voices. WII is a little bit more special. But still a great allrounder. Sometimes the lower output causes some noise for very quiet sources.
Thanks Dr Jule!

Gavin
Old 11th August 2021 | Show parent
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Though "For one singer, I swapped WWI for WW2" is kinda funny.
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Old 4 weeks ago | Show parent
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Hello friends,

I've been thinking of upgrading my main LDC for a while and from the research I've been doing alongside reading a few threads here the Warbler mics seem like pretty nice choices for the price. I was wondering if perhaps I could get some guidance as to what model would be a decent option for my voice type for mainly vocals and occasional spoken word.

I'm a tenor with what I would say a breathy mid-light voice and sing mostly in my lower to mid ranges. I feel I can sound kind of harsh or brittle on my upper mid to higher range often and would like to tame that if possible. From what I've seen in the frequency response graphs and the sound demos the MKI and MKIV seem like possible candidates but I'm not very sure so I would very much appreciate suggestions!

I've attached a sample of my vocals recorded with my SE X1 S into a DBX 286s channel strip. (Warning: it's in Japanese )

Thank you!
Attached Files

voice sample .mp3 (1.56 MB, 326 views)


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Old 4 weeks ago
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I think you already sound good on that sE X1s! I certainly don't blame you for wanting to experiment with other mics, but you should be able to get pro-sounding results out of that mic... you could probably tame a lot of whatever harshness you hear by working with mic technique and positioning. See what happens by angling it slightly off-axis, or aiming the capsule lower, toward your chest.

All that being said, yes, a Warbler MKI would probably sound really nice on your voice. But I'm impressed by that sE. They're making good mics for the money.
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Originally Posted by Progger ➡️
I think you already sound good on that sE X1s! I certainly don't blame you for wanting to experiment with other mics, but you should be able to get pro-sounding results out of that mic... you could probably tame a lot of whatever harshness you hear by working with mic technique and positioning. See what happens by angling it slightly off-axis, or aiming the capsule lower, toward your chest.

All that being said, yes, a Warbler MKI would probably sound really nice on your voice. But I'm impressed by that sE. They're making good mics for the money.
Thank you for the reply!

The sE has served me well these past few years and definitely don't think it's holding me back from getting a decent sound. Like you mentioned it's more wanting to experiment with warmer mics as this one has a boost from the 2k area up to the top end. I'll try the mic techniques you suggested for the time being and have the MKI in mind whenever I feel comfortable upgrading in the future. Thank you!
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