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Old 21st August 2016 | Show parent
  #3601
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Originally Posted by mtl777 ➡️
Hey guys, I added more sound files to my post here. These are the sound files I added:

10. Warbler MKIIID with upgraded AMI T14 transformer (vs GZ47FETV) - added 8/20/16

11. GZ47FETV (vs Warbler MKIIID with upgraded AMI T14 transformer) - added 8/20/16

(10 and 11 were recorded together)

12. GZ251 Tube (vs GZ67FET) - added 8/20/16

13. GZ67FET (vs GZ251 Tube) - added 8/20/16

(12 and 13 were recorded together)

14. Mix of GZ251 Tube (vs GZ67FET) Vocal and Backing Track - added 8/20/16

I upgraded the GZT-12 transformer of my Warbler MKIIID to an AMI T14. Sound files #10 and #11 compare the upgraded MKIIID against the GZ47FETV.

I bought another mic, the GZ67FET. Sound files #12 and #13 compare the GZ251 Tube against the GZ67FET.

Lastly, sound file #14 is the mix of the GZ251 vocal (sound file #12 ) and the backing track.

In order to show the natural sound of the mics, the recordings are raw and without any effects.

Hoping you could share your thoughts on the tests.
Thanks for sharing. I'll definitely check them out when I'm back in town. How do you like the AMI tranny compared to the stock 3U?
Old 21st August 2016 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by mikeshep ➡️

Have seen a lot of love for the warbler I - and wonder if someone could just cut through all of the dialogue and tell me essentially what the chief difference actually is in that "I" model vs the "VI" ? Honestly enough of a difference to
consider picking it up if i have a VI?

Thanks!

Mike
Basically the V3 on the Warbler MkVI is nearly identical to V1 on the Warbler MkI so you can think of it as adding a V4 and V5 to the switch on the front of your mic.
Old 21st August 2016
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Originally Posted by Ragan ➡️
Yeah as far as I know, the black finish was just an extra option.

I like the regular nickel finish versions. They look classic.
phew good to know!Still have to save up a little more cash before pulling the trigger on this guy. Would love a a tuber too
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3604
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Thanks for sharing. I'll definitely check them out when I'm back in town. How do you like the AMI tranny compared to the stock 3U?
The AMI tranny has more articulation and faster transients than the stock, although this is at the cost of a little lesser warmness and low mids than the stock. At first I was taken aback by this, but I've gotten used to it and have begun to like the AMI more than the stock.
Old 22nd August 2016
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Thanks for posting that comparison mtl777. You can really hear the 3U family sound across those files.

Overall I didn't have a preference but they provide great colours to choose from. As I tend to record rhythm tracks first, I'd match the microphone to go with the arrangement.

Also, I hear some distortion in the files, like a spiky bit crusher kind of sound. For example, check out the GZ67Fet file. I'm not familiar with that file sharing site so it could be something like the file compression.
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by mtl777 ➡️
Hey guys, I added more sound files to my post here. These are the sound files I added:

10. Warbler MKIIID with upgraded AMI T14 transformer (vs GZ47FETV) - added 8/20/16

11. GZ47FETV (vs Warbler MKIIID with upgraded AMI T14 transformer) - added 8/20/16

(10 and 11 were recorded together)

12. GZ251 Tube (vs GZ67FET) - added 8/20/16

13. GZ67FET (vs GZ251 Tube) - added 8/20/16

(12 and 13 were recorded together)

14. Mix of GZ251 Tube (vs GZ67FET) Vocal and Backing Track - added 8/20/16

I upgraded the GZT-12 transformer of my Warbler MKIIID to an AMI T14. Sound files #10 and #11 compare the upgraded MKIIID against the GZ47FETV.

I bought another mic, the GZ67FET. Sound files #12 and #13 compare the GZ251 Tube against the GZ67FET.

Lastly, sound file #14 is the mix of the GZ251 vocal (sound file #12 ) and the backing track.

In order to show the natural sound of the mics, the recordings are raw and without any effects.

Hoping you could share your thoughts on the tests.
put it on soundcloud next time that website is a spam hell hole cant even download the files so i can process them.
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3607
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Thumbs up Just joined the club!

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Originally Posted by Ragan ➡️
That's common. Sometimes mine would say that for several days and then go straight to "out for delivery".


Just like you said, no usps updates for 3 days then "out for delivery". My Warblers came in this weekend. Haven't had a chance to fire them up though. Still trying to settle in to our new home. Anyway, here is the $25 dollar case I purchased on kidvybes' (posthumous) recommendation.
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Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3608
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Just like you said, no usps updates for 3 days then "out for delivery". My Warblers came in this weekend. Haven't had a chance to fire them up though. Still trying to settle in to our new home. Anyway, here is the $25 dollar case I purchased on kidvybes' (posthumous) recommendation. Link below.
*sniff sniff* smell that china quality
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3609
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Originally Posted by takaka ➡️
*sniff sniff* smell that china quality

Well....most mics, even the big names have factories in China. That would be pretty evident if you read this thread. The Warbler capsules are what's special as well as the high end parts used inside. So....
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3610
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If these heavy, solid, tanks loaded with custom capsules and WIMA, Dale, Fairchild, etc are "China quality" then, yeah, give me a nice big whiff.

Smells pretty sweet compared to the usual bitter aroma of Multiple Middleman Markups.
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by takaka ➡️
*sniff sniff* smell that china quality
Do you mod Russian mics, and were you previously banned here under a different name?
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3612
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Originally Posted by Duke Murdock ➡️
Do you mod Russian mics, and were you previously banned here under a different name?

Haha! By the way what happened to "takaka's" post? It was just here a little while ago.
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3613
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Originally Posted by jampa ➡️
Thanks for posting that comparison mtl777. You can really hear the 3U family sound across those files.

Overall I didn't have a preference but they provide great colours to choose from. As I tend to record rhythm tracks first, I'd match the microphone to go with the arrangement.

Also, I hear some distortion in the files, like a spiky bit crusher kind of sound. For example, check out the GZ67Fet file. I'm not familiar with that file sharing site so it could be something like the file compression.
Thanks for the comment!

I'll check about the distortion, but it may be because I'm too close to the mics and am overloading them. Do you hear distortion in ALL the files or some only?
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3614
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Haha! By the way what happened to "takaka's" post? It was just here a little while ago.
Yes that's odd...
Old 22nd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3615
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Yes that's odd...

That's why we always quote our enemies!
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3616
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Originally Posted by mtl777 ➡️
Thanks for the comment!

I'll check about the distortion, but it may be because I'm too close to the mics and am overloading them. Do you hear distortion in ALL the files or some only?
Yea, I hear distortion in all of them. Was anything clipping in the recording process?
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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Do you mod Russian mics, and were you previously banned here under a different name?
Yes, he's been banned on this forum at least a half dozen times over the last few years and continues to come back under different handles.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3618
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Yes, he's been banned on this forum at least a half dozen times over the last few years and continues to come back under different handles.
Was that really Joly? Do we know this?
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3619
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Originally Posted by jampa ➡️
Yea, I hear distortion in all of them. Was anything clipping in the recording process?
I looked at the waveforms in Audacity and ran the analyzer. It did not detect any clipping. I think what you're hearing is the mic diaphragm distorting on loud passages because I was singing too close to the mic and sometimes I get carried away. Although the signal coming out of the preamp is not loud enough to produce a clipped waveform when recorded, the signal from the mic that goes into the preamp already has that sound of the diaphragm distorting due to my loud vocal at close range.

Good of you to point out the distorted sound. I'm fond of close micing because I love the intimate effect and also my room sound is not so good. But I need to learn to back away from the mic during loud passages.

Too bad I don't have time anymore to redo the recordings. I'll just leave the distortion in there. Anyway, it can serve the purpose of showing how these mics respond when their diaphragm is overloaded with high SPL. I'm not saying they respond badly. Any mic will distort with an overly loud vocal at close range.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by mtl777 ➡️
....Any mic will distort with an overly loud vocal at close range.
I saw a post somewhere recently saying the Cascade Vinjet ribbon was the only mic that didn't distort on a loud female singer. I'm tempted....
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3621
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Haha! By the way what happened to "takaka's" post? It was just here a little while ago.
Is this also the reason I can't find the EV ND76 thread?
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3622
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Was that really Joly? Do we know this?
Doesn't really makes sense to me.
Joly's "key ingredient" for modding is a Chinese capsule.

Anyway, back to business.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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Was that really Joly? Do we know this?
No, it's not Joly. Definitely not Joly. Sorry, didn't intend to mislead. It's a guy named Chris. He's been on here as DreamCastle ,Escape222, and various other handles. It's always a dead give away by the way he trashes the same mics, starts the same old troll posts and by the videos he posts.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3624
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No, it's not Joly. Definitely not Joly. Sorry, didn't intend to mislead. It's a guy named Chris. He's been on here as DreamCastle ,Escape222, and various other handles. It's always a dead give away by the way he trashes the same mics, starts the same old troll posts and by the videos he posts.
Oh THAT dude. Gotcha. Super troll.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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stay on topic plz

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Originally Posted by legato ➡️
Is this also the reason I can't find the EV ND76 thread?
Someone Buy The New Electro-Voice ND76

buy the crappy nd76
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
  #3626
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Originally Posted by uncle duncan ➡️
I saw a post somewhere recently saying the Cascade Vinjet ribbon was the only mic that didn't distort on a loud female singer. I'm tempted....

It's true! It does not distort! I know first hand after working with a female artist that distorted on most of our mics whenever she would belt high notes. Vinjet is a great mic all around.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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I had a Vin Jet for awhile too. Solid mic.
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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I did a quick speaking test yesterday into my MKI vs my CM5. I was really surprised at how dark the MKI is even in V1 setting. At first I was taken aback but then I realized how meaty the lows and low mids were and how smooth the top end is. It probably takes EQ lifts very well I'm guessing. I think this might be a really great OH mic. Not sure I would use it on a singer unless they had a very high pitched and thin voice though? I have other premium mics for vocals anyway. Are my findings similar to you other owners with this mic?
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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I did a quick speaking test yesterday into my MKI vs my CM5. I was really surprised at how dark the MKI is even in V1 setting. At first I was taken aback but then I realized how meaty the lows and low mids were and how smooth the top end is. It probably takes EQ lifts very well I'm guessing. I think this might be a really great OH mic. Not sure I would use it on a singer unless they had a very high pitched and thin voice though? I have other premium mics for vocals anyway. Are my findings similar to you other owners with this mic?
What mics are you used to?

You can go back and listen to my U87 vs MKID clips. The U87 is closer to voice position 2 on the Warbler.

Maybe you just typically use pretty bright mics? The MKID doesn't strike me as dark, FWIW
Old 23rd August 2016 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Ragan ➡️
What mics are you used to?

You can go back and listen to my U87 vs MKID clips. The U87 is closer to voice position 2 on the Warbler.

Maybe you just typically use pretty bright mics? The MKID doesn't strike me as dark, FWIW

I've tried so many over the past two decades it would be a pretty long list if I wrote it out. I love dark, thick mics actually. u67/M269c are my favorites for vocals. I do like bright for pop and dark for just about everything else. I was going into a ua 4-710d with the hybrid setting right up the middle in between trans/tube. Both my MKI's sound the same so it's not an anomaly. I have two MKI's by the way not the D-versions.

I guess that's why I was surprised, i.e. your clips are not as dark. My room is untreated at the moment (just moved house and setup a mobile station in a spare bedroom) but that wouldn't contribute to what I'm hearing. At least I don't see how it could.

I hate my own voice...especially when speaking lol but I'll try and get enough courage up to post the quick comparison so you can hear exactly what I'm talking about. Hang on...
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