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Old 19th September 2002
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Neotek Elite II

What is the feelings about a Neotek Elite II desk. I am considering adding this console to my room to replace my D8B console. It will teamed up a PTHD rig.

We have a real nice room that is used by some other outsided engineers with great outboard and we want to take the room up to the next level. Having a D8B in the room still makes me feel as though I have to sell against the guy who has a studio in his garage running a Digi 001 (and he says he has Pro Tools) and has his D8B or small format digital console. A large desk would eliminate that and hopefully opening us to more business especially when we can afford to add a 2" machine.

Am I thinking correctly here or should I just buy a Control 24 or Pro Control and stay all digital?

BTW, I am located in the Chicago area so service on a Neotek is a no brainer.

Thanks so much everyone.

-Joe Kasko
Perfect Sound Studios
www.perfectsnd.com
Old 20th September 2002
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I've never spent time on a Neotek but the consoles are highly regarded for being clean and sounding great. I'm happier mixing on an analog console then in a DAW or a digital board. Most freelance engineers will have no problems getting used to an analog console of any kind. With a digital desk you'll have to babysit the entire session until they get used to it. Keep in mind that with a bigger analog console you'll have to spend some money every year to keep it at 100%. It might only be $500 or so until you need a recap or something big but still affects your bottom line.

Only you can decide what direction to take your business in. I've gone in the analog direction because I like the sound and working that way. To that end I have the console, a 2" 24-track and a 1/4" 2-track. I also have Adats, a DAW and a Mytek A/D if someone wants digital but I'm tracking to 2" 95% of the time. I'm also one of the only analog studios in my area. There are more if you drive about 40 minutes into Hoboken and NYC but I still have lower rates. Not by much though.

BTW, your website is kind of weak. Not a lot of info and it has some format problems. I need to scroll around to see and read everyhing. I'm using IE 6.0 if that helps.
Old 20th September 2002
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Seriously consider the elite!

email Steve Albini andget eh lowdown.. he loves them to bits!

Fromt he pcis of your website it owuld be a shame to continue using that nice space without a good clean sounding console with great EQ, preamps and lotsa headroom.

You should not be disapointed in this desk!


If you cant afford an elite seriously think of the Elan as a viable alternative.

PEACE
Wiggy.
Old 20th September 2002
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Jay and Wiggy,

Thanks for the response. I know the website is lame, but I haven't had the time to do a decent one yet. My wife has been on bedrest for 11 weeks so I basically have no time for that yet. Needless to say it will be updated soon with cool pictures, music samples, and an equipment list.

I definitely want an analog desk in the room and the eventually a 2". It is between the Neotek and a DDA, but I am leaning to scaping up the extra dough for the Neotek because I have not heard anyone say a bad thing about the console. It would really take the room up to the next level. I will miss the great automation and complete recall of the Mackie D8B.

It is a tough decision to add a new desk to the room especially a mid level large format console. It is one I constantly go back and forth on, but I don't think that I will regret this one. I think that I will be able to work faster and achieve a better product and it will open up the room to more freelance engineers who are used to mixing on analog desks. I have spent too many hours explaining the routing scheme of a whole digital studio to other engineers and it's not fun. I am also keep in a 16 channel logic control for people who want to mix in Pro Tools or just use the desk for summing.

I would appreciate any more comments. I really dig this forum.

=Joe Kasko
Perfect Sound Studios
Old 20th September 2002
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Why not both?

I did'nt check out the website, so I don't know how big your room is, but, you could put the D8B off to the side as a different mixer with automation, and hopefully you'll have enough business to build a B room for it to live in.

For the time being, you could build a patching system for not too much that would link the two.

drop me an email if you have any questions, I do this sort of thing for a living, I'm not trolling for business, just being friendly.

[email protected]

BTW, I hear great things about the Elite, but, alas, I have not mixed on one. I am, however familiar with the d8b, WAY too familiar.

good luck
Old 20th September 2002
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I've worked a few times on a Neotek Elite. It's a wonderful console. The Mic-Pre is very clean. The routing was a bit strange at first but you get used to it very fast. The only drawback (for some engineers) is the headroom in the channel strip. Don't overload it tut or it will punish you with some ugly distortion.

I'd go and buy one myself, if I didn't have a nice analog desk

Jo
Old 20th September 2002
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Hmmm, the mic pre's I've used in the Eilte were very clean, for many years on many different consoles. (read the other thread where I bought the Mic Max, the stand alone pre). The routing is a bit odd, esspecially by today's standards. The overloading on the channel strip one of the coolest things about the board, IMO. If you don't overdrive the channels, it's one of the greatest sounding consoles I've ever worked on.
Old 20th September 2002
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Joe... forget the DDA.. bite the bullet and save the extra ham for the Neotek. If you are eager and cant wait think about an Elan or possibly a series 1, 2, or 3. But from what i gather these are gaining a type of 'vintage' type appeal for some neotec fans. The series X are often snapped up pretty fast.

FWIW..... there is a bitchin neotec series 1 for sale on ebay.... E-Que this board is for you even as a side car! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=907801315

'E-Que' .. we must be cast from the same mold cos next to my favourite custom Neve 8024 that i used to work on.. any neotek does it for me .. any day of the year.

There is an Elan here in Melbourne that is possibly gona go in the next 12 months, i would dearly love to get it cos i have used it a few times and its so nice, albeit totally different from a 1073 type Neve. But i have just sold my studio and those aching *****slut' tendencies just die so damn hard!

To paraphrase the 'Eurythmics' .........'Sweet dreams are made of these (neotec's...lololol!!)

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 21st September 2002
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I just got a Neotek Elan II. It's a very cool console. I've only done about a week of real world tracking so far.
It's an aggressive, but not harsh sound. The preamps sound great on drums. This thing loves guitars and bass drums. The EQ is very musical. On some EQs if you get kind of radical with them you can hear that things have been EQ'd. On the Elan things just sound different.

As far as I know the the preamps in the Elan and Elite are the same. The EQ varies in that the Elite has a narrow wide Q option in the mid bands. The Elan has a fixed Q.
Old 21st September 2002
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After all the great reviews on the Elite II, I have decided to get a 56-Channel Elite II console. I think that it will need to be modified to fit in the my room and probably won't be able to use all 56-channels, but it was a great deal ($15,000 + $1500-$2000) for modifications, additional wiring, cleanup, etc. If I am not able to fit all the channels, I hopefully can sell a few of the modules and keep some spares.

I am totally jacked and I am looking forward to working on a large analog desk and having it be a focal point of our room and hopefully a major selling point.

Thanks for all your help.
Old 21st September 2002
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RESPECT 100% all the way dude!

You will love this desk and the fact that you got 56 channels is a godsend. you can syc up ya profools rig and a 2" as well and still have extra channels for returns/mults etc.

You are gone be churning out some great songs man....

and E-que is gona be ona plane to yours before you know it!

Congratulations and pls post some pics and let us know ALL about it!



PEACE
Wiggy
Old 21st September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by jkasko
After all the great reviews on the Elite II, I have decided to get a 56-Channel Elite II console. I think that it will need to be modified to fit in the my room and probably won't be able to use all 56-channels, but it was a great deal ($15,000 + $1500-$2000) for modifications, additional wiring, cleanup, etc. If I am not able to fit all the channels, I hopefully can sell a few of the modules and keep some spares.

I am totally jacked and I am looking forward to working on a large analog desk and having it be a focal point of our room and hopefully a major selling point.
Cool. Congrats on the new desk. To be honest I wouldn't get into modding the console frame if you can avoid it. Things like that turn into science projects. It's not as easy as cutting off a bucket. Honestly I'd try to keep it intact. Having a nice 56 channel desk is a great thing. Maybe one day add Uptown automation and you'll be stylin'. That's how big rooms are built.
Old 22nd September 2002
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A bunch of my favorite records were mixed on an Elite.

They got to be good, because the guy that did them now mixes in PT and hasnt done a good sounding record in a couple years.
Old 22nd September 2002
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I don't think that it will be possible to keep the frame intact. Mike Stoica is going to be doing any modifications and the install on the desk. He doesn't think that cutting the frame will be that bad. He was here today getting dimensions and is going to let me know what my options are. I would be happy with 40 or 44. That should work good for me.

Question regarding automation? It it a necessity on this desk when mixing off of Pro Tools? If so, what do you recommend and what kind of price tags are we talking about.
Old 22nd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut


FWIW..... there is a bitchin neotec series 1 for sale on ebay.... E-Que this board is for you even as a side car! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=907801315

Wow! That is exactly the kind of board i was looking for right now. I'm now the high bidder and i really hope i can get it...i'm only a few hours from LI so this thing could probably be in my possession within 2 weeks if i win.

If you can't tell, i'm excited!

Old 22nd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by jkasko
After all the great reviews on the Elite II, I have decided to get a 56-Channel Elite II console. I think that it will need to be modified to fit in the my room and probably won't be able to use all 56-channels, but it was a great deal ($15,000 + $1500-$2000) for modifications, additional wiring, cleanup, etc. If I am not able to fit all the channels, I hopefully can sell a few of the modules and keep some spares.

I am totally jacked and I am looking forward to working on a large analog desk and having it be a focal point of our room and hopefully a major selling point.

Thanks for all your help.
I talked to Mike on Friday and he told me he had sombody ready to buy. I was hoping it was you. If my room was bigger I would have bought that one. I'm in Bloomington, we should get together.
Old 22nd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by XHipHop


Wow! That is exactly the kind of board i was looking for right now. I'm now the high bidder and i really hope i can get it...i'm only a few hours from LI so this thing could probably be in my possession within 2 weeks if i win.

If you can't tell, i'm excited!

The owner of that console's old partner is a friend of mine. It's been treated well from what I understand. And the patchbay is fairly new.
Old 23rd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by jkasko
I don't think that it will be possible to keep the frame intact. Mike Stoica is going to be doing any modifications and the install on the desk. He doesn't think that cutting the frame will be that bad. He was here today getting dimensions and is going to let me know what my options are. I would be happy with 40 or 44. That should work good for me.

Question regarding automation? It it a necessity on this desk when mixing off of Pro Tools? If so, what do you recommend and what kind of price tags are we talking about.
Not bad. Mike is the man so I wouldn't worry about it. I'd go with a 40 or 48 channel frame. 44 is just kind of weird IMHO. I'd do a remote patchbay before I chopped off channels.

For automation what can you afford to spend? I'd go with an Uptown moving fader system if you can afford it, might run close to $1K per channel if you buy it new. If you find a used package you might get away for under $10K. VCA automation isn't horrible, the Wackie Ultramix system is solid and under $1K for 32 channels. A CAD Megamix system is about the same. Tony, did you sell my old Megamix system? Since you have PT I'd use that for now and worry about outboard automation later.
Old 23rd September 2002
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the Wackie Ultramix system is solid and under $1K for 32 channels.

Ditto jay...

Before we got PT we had this on our vintage neve and it kiked ass.. even for a wackie... lol.. nice and easy to use, runs froma 286!!! gota love that! and very affrodable and sonically ok. going the next step to martinsound flying faders etc is just a joke....ona dollar for dollar sonics advatge scale.

GIVE ME MORE COMPRESSION AND OUTBOARD ANYDAY!!!!!!!!!!

So if your using PT foget automation for now and worry about mics, pres, compressors, eqs etc.. cos thats where the money is as far as PT goes.

PT automation is kinda cool too cos its all total recall....

Glad to hear Mike is on board cos he's Da MAN!!!!

and consider remote a patch b4 chopping the desk!

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 23rd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs


Tony, did you sell my old Megamix system? Since you have PT I'd use that for now and worry about outboard automation later.
I do in fact have a 32 channel Megamix system that I am very motivated to sell...yuktyy
Old 23rd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut
FWIW..... there is a bitchin neotec series 1 for sale on ebay.... E-Que this board is for you even as a side car! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=907801315

'E-Que' .. we must be cast from the same mold cos next to my favourite custom Neve 8024 that i used to work on.. any neotek does it for me .. any day of the year.
Haven't you seen my name as the highest bidder?

I just used the Sytek, and Mic Max on Mike Clark (yes, THE Mike Clark of Herbie Hancock and the Headhunters)... SCHWEAT!!! The mic max is my new favorite for OH's. Let's face it, the drummer is dope, but when I walked in the the live room, it sounded just like the control room.
Old 23rd September 2002
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RESPECT!!!!!! U just gota love it when that sorta **** happens!

PEACE
Wiggy fuuck
Old 23rd September 2002
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Mike Stoica is telling me that the VCA based automation is bad and that is adds distortion to the signal. Of course, moving fader is better, but that is outside the realm of my finances right now.

So the Mackie Ultramix is pretty good? I could probably find one of those systems relatively cheap.

I really don't care so much about automating my faders as I do about being able to program mutes on the console.
Old 23rd September 2002
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Question regarding automation? It it a necessity on this desk when mixing off of Pro Tools? If so, what do you recommend and what kind of price tags are we talking about. [/B][/QUOTE]

One of the pluses of an analog console is you dont have to use digi's math
for gain changes. Try to find an automation system
Old 23rd September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by jkasko
Mike Stoica is telling me that the VCA based automation is bad and that is adds distortion to the signal. Of course, moving fader is better, but that is outside the realm of my finances right now.

So the Mackie Ultramix is pretty good? I could probably find one of those systems relatively cheap.

I really don't care so much about automating my faders as I do about being able to program mutes on the console.
VCA based systems are not as nice sounding as moving fader, although they can be more accurate. Maybe try to find a used Megamix or Optofile system.
Megamix uses all class A vca's. I have a 48 fader inboard megamix system
that does the job here
Old 23rd September 2002
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What would a Megamix or Optifile system run do you think? I am talking for the inline fader type.
Old 23rd September 2002
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I dont know very much about the optofile system. Megamix came in a few different flavors, the low end being a system that patched into your insert points at the bay and the high end being a full install into your console using your consoles faders and a controller pack with mutes, write, read and solo.
and a gate package. Try to get a package using your consoles faders, these were called the inboard series. CAD who took over MM discontinued it a while back, but used systems are sometimes around. I would look for one if I were you. Optofile had a budget system I think called tetra that might be around still
Old 24th September 2002
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Not all VCA automation systems sound bad. Let's face it, when you have any kind of involved mixing to do and you have a choice between no automation or VCA's any engineer who wants to get the job done will pick the VCA's. I know Tony (drumsound) has a 32 channel CAD Megamix system. I bought it for my Trident and realized that installing it would be a total pain because of the way my bays are setup. Also, I found a Wackie system less then a week after I wrote the check for the Megamix. Plus, the Wackie has a fader pack and I could drop it right in rather then invest hunderds of dollars in new cabling just so I didn't give up my inserts.

He's got the outboard one which is still good. Much much cheaper then the onboard system, both for initial cost and the labor to install it.
Old 24th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
. I know Tony (drumsound) has a 32 channel CAD Megamix system.

He's got the outboard one which is still good. Much much cheaper then the onboard system, both for initial cost and the labor to install it.
32 channels no waiting. For immediate sale...rollz
Old 16th February 2008 | Show parent
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Hey Joe

I see you ended up buying an 48 Channel Elite II ..

Did you buy it new from sytek? Is it all you expected and more..?done some mods to it too like others in this forum?



I am planning my future studio around a neotek elite..


Any information welcomethumbsup



Many Thanks!
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