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Fave 2-bus comp at the moment...
Old 4th June 2002
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Capitol Studios Paris
 
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🎧 15 years
Fave 2-bus comp at the moment...

Fellow gearslutz,

I'm curious what you all are using nowadays on the mix bus...and when during the mix process do you generally insert it?

I'm in the minority...I don't mix with 2-bus comp, prefering to compress subgroups of the mix instead. I do use an SMC2B and sometimes an 8900 or 33609 for compression at the mastering stage.

Let's hear from you!

Jon
Old 4th June 2002
  #2
Craneslut
 
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🎧 15 years
Crane Song STC-8M.

Can't find anything that can beat it in my mastering rig...
Old 4th June 2002
  #3
Capitol Studios Paris
 
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🎧 15 years
Hey Brad,

I'd LOVE to have an STC8 in our rack, though no one in France seems to know Crane Song as a brand. We wanted to order one a year ago, but the national distributor at that time, Funky Junk, was jacking up the price too much compared to the US price.

What is the STC-8M version? Different from the STC-8?

How would you compare it to an 8900?

Jon
Old 4th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
I'm an almost all digital guy .... Protools to be more specific.

Most used insert on the master is the system 6000 ... MD5 option. But I tend to switch from time to time and put on a waves C4 multiband followed by an L2 plugin. (don't like the L1 all that much).

THe brickwall limiter in the 6000 is becoming a favourite too.


Marc, my companion at the studio does the all the in house mastering. He's been using the waves masterbundle a lot in combination with the sys 6000.
Old 4th June 2002
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Craneslut
 
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🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by jon
Hey Brad,

I'd LOVE to have an STC8 in our rack, though no one in France seems to know Crane Song as a brand. We wanted to order one a year ago, but the national distributor at that time, Funky Junk, was jacking up the price too much compared to the US price.
Contact me offline at [email protected] about this...

Quote:
What is the STC-8M version? Different from the STC-8?
Full mastering version - all pots are 40-position detented.

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How would you compare it to an 8900?
Funny you should ask that, as I did a shootout between the 8900, VariMu, and SSL Logic 384 when I bought the STC-8M. The 8900 wasn't as good at controlling dynamics transparently and couldn't achieve anywhere near the amount of GR without coloration.

But on top of that, the 8900 just isn't anywhere near as flexible as the STC-8. I can make the STC-8 sound similar to an SSL Quad or remain very transparent. You can also kick it into 'Ki' mode where it converts 3rd order harmonics generated during ultra fast release times to 2nd order harmonics, which can be very handy in taming 'digititus'...

The STC-8 is also the fastest compressor I've ever encountered - it can attack and release like lightening. And it includes a separate limiter post-ouput gain to protect you ADC's...

Highly recommended!
Old 4th June 2002
  #6
Capitol Studios Paris
 
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🎧 15 years
Brad,

Very interesting shootout you did and you've succeeded in getting my pulse racing. The 8900 is probably the most versatile (and complex) comp I've touched, so if the STC8 is more flexible...wow.

I have heard good things about Hutch's new version of the Vari-Mu; haven't heard it yet myself though.

Chris,

Back in my heavy PT mixing days, the C4 was probably the only 2-bus comp in PT that I actually sometimes preferred engaged and not bypassed with my eyes shut. The low-level +5 comp was my favorite preset to begin from.

The M6000 is one hell of a machine, ain't that so!
Old 4th June 2002
  #7
Founder
 
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My Mixes get a lick of SSL compressor at the moment..

But it's piss me off somewhat lately..

Next hit I will get something else..

Old 4th June 2002
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There is only one
 
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🎧 15 years
i dont like the C4 on the mix... makes it dull to my ears. fuuck 's the life out of the mix. however, on individual tracks i LOVE it. im curious to hear the mastering bundle version.

whats this topic again? oh yeah, 2buss comp... i dont have a favorite. of course i dont have that crane song either i liked the smart c1 but want to try the c2. i would like to try the api2500 too. im not a fan of manley comps. i prefer not to mix with one on the 2buss.
Old 5th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
hi jon

http://www.akzent-audio.de/crane.html

maybe you call the guy about the prices , say hello from me .
Old 5th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
I'm using a Summit DCL-200 kind of by default. I was saving for an STC-8 and then I found the Summit on blow-out at a price I couldn't pass up. The STC-8 is pretty wicked. I'd love to have one in my rack. When the Summit isn't working I'll reach for a Demeter VTCL-2a but I'm not a big fan of that on the 2-mix.

Jules, did you ever sell your Tube Tech LCA-2a?
Old 5th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
I still like the Vari-MU or I may use Tube Techs strapped. I never heard anyone say anything about the API buss compressor that came out a year or so ago . . . . . curious. I had high hopes reading of it when they were working on it . . but it came out and have heard nothing. Guess that tells it.
Old 5th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
at the moment...Alan Smart C1
or for a softer, colored sound I use a pair of TAB U73b's, they are the German
'Fairchild'.
but as of late it's the C1 on most all.smokin
Old 5th June 2002
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Jules, did you ever sell your Tube Tech LCA-2a?

No! I am in gear lock down at the moment.. doing a lot of spec work.. So I figure I should just "stick" with my hand.. HOWEVER! I may 'slip' with an SPL Transient Designer, with a drum room the size of a postage stamp, I figure I cant afford NOT to have one..

Jules
Old 5th June 2002
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🎧 15 years


Hi there crew!

For 2 buss its an expensive chain but one that deos justice to any mix regardless.

For rock, techno. elctronica --> dynnamic music

Neve 8024 --> Al Samrt C2----> manley Variable MU= PHAT and punchy!!!!!!

For Accoustic, slow music

neve 8024 --> Avalon 747 ---> variable Mu

Am gagging to try the API 2500 and Cransong STC... but there
are none presently avaialbe in Australia right now.... but when they do arive i will post a report!

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 5th June 2002
  #15
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🎧 15 years
The 2-bus comp I use most is by far the Crane Song STC-8. In the beginning I used it mostly for mixing only, but lately it has been used a lot for tracking also. I really like this beast, it covers so many bases, often with a result better than you wished for.

BTW, Jules, if you are considering a Transient Designer - check out the TC Electronic Triple-C, it can also do transient compression but with more parameters than the unit from SPL + it does a whole lot of other neat things. Great bang for the buck! (just make sure that it has the latest software installed)

Just my 2c.

/Mats
Old 5th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
I've been using the Drawmer 1969 with what I consider to be fabulous results... then again the thing was made for me.

Besides being a J-FET design, the 'time constants' are very close to those of the venerable 670... with the exception of release "4", "5", and "6" which are program dependent versions of "1", "2" and "3"...

To me, the coolest part is the "BIG" switch which adds a 100Hz filter to the "detector side chain"... that way the vocals drive my 2 buss compression instead of the kik and bass driving my 2 buss compression. It affords me the opportunity to compress my mix a tad more than I should without it pumping and weezing...

As always, YMMV.
Old 7th June 2002
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smokin Hello everyone, this is my first post and I just wanted to say Hi and say what Groovy graphics! The monkey is cute (it reminds me of a bass player I once knew!)

I use the Manley Mu w/modifacation as a buss Compressor and it is absolutly slendid!
Old 13th February 2006 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jon
Brad,

Very interesting shootout you did and you've succeeded in getting my pulse racing. The 8900 is probably the most versatile (and complex) comp I've touched, so if the STC8 is more flexible...wow.

I have heard good things about Hutch's new version of the Vari-Mu; haven't heard it yet myself though.

Chris,

Back in my heavy PT mixing days, the C4 was probably the only 2-bus comp in PT that I actually sometimes preferred engaged and not bypassed with my eyes shut. The low-level +5 comp was my favorite preset to begin from.

The M6000 is one hell of a machine, ain't that so!
I am also preferring the 8900 for its transparency and control over the 384, been using the 384 on stereo drum buss.

www.bluethumbproductions.com
Old 13th February 2006
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Roll Music RMS 755 Super Stereo compressor. It's done exactly what I've wanted a mix bus comp to do (and until now haven't heard what I wanted to in a mix bus comp so I've generally avoided them...note this is mix bus, not mastering which is really a different app). I just mixed a 10 song release from an artist named Mike Mlinko with the 755 on the mix bus the whole time, it sounded great. The CD was intended to be a songwriters demo only but it turned out so good that he's going to promote himself as the artist also (all the instruments were done with session players and he did the vocals...our very own GS Digitmus did the keys, and excellent job). The 755 has enough glue where you hear it doing something good to the mix, but it's full bandwidth and clean enough so it doesn't mess with the frequencies by adding mids, etc. It also has a LF sidechain so it doesn't interfere with a big low end.
Old 13th February 2006 | Show parent
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Manley Vari-Mu thumbsup

A loaded question 10 people will give you 10 different opions
Old 13th February 2006 | Show parent
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Manley Vari Mu.. not! IMO

I got the Gyraf Gyratec X instead when I A/B'ed the two machines, the GX is so much better sounding if you want tube sound and fat compression. Controls transients a lot better too. The Manley was too unstable for me.

I also use the G SSL Type 4000 comp.

But the bee's knees is indeed the Crane Song STC-8, can be a bit of a chameleon sound wise. Haven't heard anything beat it in terms of flexibility. I had one on trial and it sounded amazing. Personally I also liked the limiter a lot, Brad do you use the limiter at all?

One thing I think sucks about the STC-8.. the interface.. it certainly took me a while to get how it labels things and some of the ways things interact boggles your mind.

I think I might get it now too. Damn.
Old 13th February 2006 | Show parent
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WOW another thread from the deep dark past. It should be very interesting to see what has changed over the last 4 years. Is the STC still a contender? How about new stuff like the Rolls 755 that Nathan talked about? More and more people seem to be using the Alan Smart C2? Seems like the 1968 has taken off as well.

Should be cool to see what people are using now.
Old 13th February 2006 | Show parent
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🎧 15 years
Neve 33609-JD .... no ... Thermionics Phoenix ..... no ... Neve 33609 ..... no ... Thermionics Phoenix .... no ....

F**k it ... one of those two anyway!
Old 13th February 2006 | Show parent
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Gyraf SSL 4000 DIY Comp and TFPRO P10 (or P38)
Old 14th February 2006 | Show parent
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An Al smart c2 or/and pendulum es8,though the pendulum is more of a limiter it is absolutely fantastic on bass and stereo drum subgroups,even to tame harsh vocals.
I find I use the c2 more often for the main stereo outs,though sometime alot in combination as well,using the c2 first just to compress the faster transients and the pendulum with a slower attack and long release to tame bass and other longer transients,using both with very mild gain reduction they both seem to work extremely well together. The c2 adds alot of definition to the mid range while the pendulum really makes bass sound massive and gives the overall mix a more hi fi type sound,I've noticed this can give the impression of a wider stereo image as soon the Pendulum is patched in.
There are alot of good comps out there,I'm sure you'll find some good descriptions of how they sound here to help you with decisions on which ones to try..
Old 14th February 2006 | Show parent
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🎧 15 years
Manley Vari-Mu
Old 14th February 2006 | Show parent
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My fav 2 buss comp at the moment is still the C2 and it's predessesor the C1 , although i'm dying to hear the Rms 755 , i'll have to see if anybody brings them into Australia so i can give it a wirl, i also do not mind the Api 2500 bus comp for a different let's say retro flavour
Old 14th February 2006 | Show parent
  #28
Gear Nut
 
🎧 15 years
hi Nathan
Do u like the rolls over the Alan Smart?
Just curious......
Jerry
Old 14th February 2006 | Show parent
  #29
Gear Nut
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt
Manley Vari Mu.. not! IMO
The Manley was too unstable for me.
Agree. Soft and mushy in the low end

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt
I also use the G SSL Type 4000 comp.
Love it. Love the C2 also.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt
But the bee's knees is indeed the Crane Song STC-8
Love it most for most things. If it's too clean I strap a 33609 on the mix with a pair of Pultec or a Massive to brighten up what the 33609 can deaden a bit.

Old 14th February 2006 | Show parent
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🎧 15 years
Mix-Bus Comp

Thumbs up for 1969 as well!

BW
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