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Old 4th June 2002
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surround : what / why / how ....

Who is into surround stuff ... what kinda stuff do you do .... what and how do you do it ....

I've been experimenting with surround for about a year now .... still learning as it is very complex. But also very exciting.

Projects I've been doing is some remixes in 5.1 / some DVD soundtrack composing - scoring in 5.1

the tc system 6000 is my favourite 5.1 machine. ProTools is great to mix 5.1 in .....

With home theater systems getting cheaper and being sold every day ... I think it is going to become more and more interesting and that demand for surround productions will rise. The movies are allready there (been there for a while now) ... Music seems to follow on a slow but increasing speed.


Opinions, thoughts, tools, experiences, pro's and con's please ...


thank you
Old 4th June 2002
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I set it up once in my place.. We have a potential (engineer) client interested..
Set up will be a PITA, but once we get the hang of it.... should be OK...

I think if beheringer came out with a Ultracurve 5.1 it would be brilliant... Imagine put a measuring mic where you sit and the unit would blast pink noise out and calibrate ALL the speakers.... Whatever room you were in...



Has to be done... soon.
Old 4th June 2002
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5.1 is a great way to fight the whole MP3 piracy issue. It's great for stuff that will be locked to picture. Problem for me is, outside the studio, I very rarely listen to music sitting in the 'sweet spot' facing directly toward the speakers. I'm in my car, at a club, at the beach with a boom box, listening to hold music when I call guitar center, etc...

So far, I've done 5.1 on a Neve Capricorn, SSL9000J, and protools. Protools won both in my, & the producer's eyes. I also did a 'fakey' 5.1 mix (that was supposed to be a 'rough 5.1 mix') by taking a 2 mix (L - R), sending a mono feed to Center, filtering the mono feed to the .1 (using Max Bass and a dbx subharmonic unit), and I sent the 2 mix to a verb & then sent that verb through an Edison for more spatialization for the 2 rear speakers. After several chains of miscommunication, the record label loved it & sent me a check for a 5 minute mix. Kindy makes you wonder...
Old 4th June 2002
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interesting .... I've rented unwrap for the sys6000 a few times. it turns a stereo mix into a "fake" 5.1 mix but in such a way hat it sounds VERY convincing. It seems to fool around with phases a bit and is therefore a bit dangerous ... once you're outside the "hot / sweet" spot it sounds strange but except for that ... seems to do what it has to do ....

anyone else have turned stereo mixes into 5.1 ??? are there other / better tools then the tc unwrap to do this ??
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Chris,

We just finished our first surround project- Composing and mixing 100+ min. of music for a DVD, in 5.1 from the ground up. The music is everything from jazz to new age/electronica, to rock. We don't use Pro Tools. The project was recorded and mixed with our Sony DMX R100, with outboard gear by TC, Lexicon, etc... We couldn't buget the System 6000 in for this project grudge but we're hoping to get one for the next 5.1 project.

The hardest thing for me to get used to was using a sub, and bass management in general. piss on everything below 80Hz. being summed to 1 speaker! But the whole (consumer) world is going this way, so I may as well get used to it. I used 5 Tannoy 800As and a 350B sub. For bass management, I used an M&K LFE4, The only one I could find that had balanced I/O out of the box. It came with a setup CD that, with just a little $40 Radio Shack dB meter, you can tweek out the volumes (set it and forget it). For referencing the 5.1 mixes, we used Smart Code DTS CD, a software plug-in (ok, so we used PT for that) that takes the 6 channel mix and encodes it to DTS, on a regular audio CD. It will play in any DVD player, which is great for referencing mixes on different systems. For delivery, we gave the producer (6) 24 bit files, though.

Since this was our first surround project, I don't really have anything to compare with, only that the DMX was a joy to mix surround in, more fun than mixing stereo, IMHO.

Randy
Old 4th June 2002
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100+ music in 5.1 ..... smokin COOL rollz rollz
Old 4th June 2002
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encoding

I've actually got to do my first 5.1 stuff in a week or so with Pro Tools. I have one of the new quicksilver macs with DVDR so has anyone got a good suggestion on encoding to play in domestic DVD system. Also, as this is for a live video, what format should I be delivering finished mix in, as obviously this will need syncing to pictures, maybe just a bounced 5.1 pro tools file????
Old 5th June 2002
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Re: encoding

Quote:
Originally posted by Andy Sneap
I've actually got to do my first 5.1 stuff in a week or so with Pro Tools. I have one of the new quicksilver macs with DVDR so has anyone got a good suggestion on encoding to play in domestic DVD system. Also, as this is for a live video, what format should I be delivering finished mix in, as obviously this will need syncing to pictures, maybe just a bounced 5.1 pro tools file????

with a mac Apple's DVD studio pro is the way to go. great authoring soft to create your own dvd's .... not cheap though ... about 1000 $. It lets you create about every format DVD there is ... including DVD audio.

audio formats can be anything from aiff, wave, sd II, pcm audio and for surround AC-3 (dolby digital) format.

what you do with ProTools for example is bounce your 5.1 mix into 6 different audio files : L C R LS LR and LF

In a soft called A.pack (included with dvd studio pro) you then transform / encode it into one AC3 file ... by simply assigning the right files to the right input channels. The AC3 files go into seperate tracks in dvd studio pro. You burn the dvd and voila .... you can play the tracks on your consumer dvd player.
Old 5th June 2002
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hey Chris,
thanks for that, I'll look into it, can DVD manufacturing plants produce straight from an encoded DVDR like CD's and CDR's??
Andy
Old 6th June 2002
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I haven't done it yet but I called one asking them a while ago ... they said yes.
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