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Old 17th February 2014
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this thread is awesome
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Hi there!
I would search GS Threads and one in particular named "Is it still worth buying a 480L in 2013? I'd also Google the subject and highlight the GS paged Google results as these results bring up much older threads (Pages of them) as opposed to the often more recent when doing a GS search as quite often doing a "GearSlutz Search" brings up newer threads, where Google will bring up the really dusty and mouldy threads when all units were in full usage thus... possibly expanding thoughts on the units uses & usage that may be more relevant to your needs if looking to buy!

Yes, your going to need 4.x.1 Software for Classic Cart Software on the 480L. That can give you the Lexicon sound from PCM-42, PrimeTime, 22X-XL, 300 & PCM-80 Sounds as well as 480L Algorithms etc. Basically making the 480L a huge unit, add Surround/HD and PrimeTime 3 Cart and you've got a huge FX/Reverb unit. Benden Tech Fixes Lexicon in the UK! Maybe chat to them? I'd say you might be better off with a PCM81 and 300L For ITB/OTB use with Mod Con's etc such as AES, Analog, SMPTE, Midi etc would bode much better for you though without the performance or potential Door Stop issues that buying a 480L can bring etc. Just a thought!

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Thanks TheLastByte ! After reading everything I could I went for a 224xl. Am looking forward to it's arrival. Maybe I'll get a 224 or pcm70 or a 300 if one comes up later .... or maybe AMS....... I would like a lexicon prime time 2 though.
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Actually no overhead is incurred when moving a sample between cores.
I was thinking something like a very long delay line - one that needs two cores worth of RAM. To do that you'd have to read the end of the delay on HSP 1, write it to the transfer register, then do the appropriate operations on HSP 2 to fetch the data and put it in RAM. You just need to use a couple of instructions to do that.
Old 19th February 2014 | Show parent
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Thanks TheLastByte ! After reading everything I could I went for a 224xl. Am looking forward to it's arrival. Maybe I'll get a 224 or pcm70 or a 300 if one comes up later .... or maybe AMS....... I would like a lexicon prime time 2 though.
Congratulations Atlanta Bliss!
Great Stuff! Benden Tech in The UK actually specialise in 224/XL units, so should (fingers crossed) anything go burp, pop, growl, power-down etc you will be covered... and it's indeed a much loved and well used device with many a sage mind on the subject, in fact Digikey in the USA still carry 224 HSP PCB Boards! I'd say many of my top 100 recordings (Album wise) have a 224/XL Sound, lovely grainy, warm and those verbs & Fx somehow wrap around the Tracks recorded. Great Choice, If I had the support where I live, I would buy one in a heartbeat! As for the PrimeTime M95 MKII's I have 2 Units and after a nice getting to know you very well period, man I can dial in anything from Phaser, Flanger, ADT's, Pitch Shifting and Cyborg Effects etc. Certainly a recommended device!

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The 480 also uses an 8 bit microprocessor which re-writes the 80 step microcode in the ARUs to provide the dynamic reverb modulation.
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The 960 also added two 8 bit microprocessors to work with the 4 ARUs for dynamic microcode changes.
Did the Lexicons generate 8 bit modulation waveforms, or was higher precision used at times?
Old 20th February 2014 | Show parent
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Congratulations Atlanta Bliss!
Great Stuff! Benden Tech in The UK actually specialise in 224/XL units, so should (fingers crossed) anything go burp, pop, growl, power-down etc you will be covered... and it's indeed a much loved and well used device with many a sage mind on the subject, in fact Digikey in the USA still carry 224 HSP PCB Boards! I'd say many of my top 100 recordings (Album wise) have a 224/XL Sound, lovely grainy, warm and those verbs & Fx somehow wrap around the Tracks recorded. Great Choice, If I had the support where I live, I would buy one in a heartbeat! As for the PrimeTime M95 MKII's I have 2 Units and after a nice getting to know you very well period, man I can dial in anything from Phaser, Flanger, ADT's, Pitch Shifting and Cyborg Effects etc. Certainly a recommended device!

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TheLastByte

Thanks Last Byte! I imagine I'll be hitting you back for some advice re: "which prime time?!" at some point in the future!

In regs to favorite albums that use the 224xl, which are your favorite? I noticed in the promo video for UA 's plug in emulation of the 224 that they list a whole lot of albums as using the 224 - but I wondered if some of them actually used the 224xl as some were more early mid 80s rather than early 80s. ??

Hope I'm not getting too away from the thread topic there, which is more technical. Apologies if I have.
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Congratulations Atlanta Bliss!
Great Stuff! Benden Tech in The UK actually specialise in 224/XL units, so should (fingers crossed) anything go burp, pop, growl, power-down etc you will be covered...
Just another shout out to Steve Lenham of Benden Tech. He helped me out with a newly aquired M300 that had a dead VFD when he totally didn't have to, considering he is in the UK and I am in Texas. It made no sense for me to send it across the water to him as much as I would have liked to. Anyway via email, he entertained all of our troubleshooting and theories to a fixed unit. Good dude! Now, back to your original scheduled program.
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Just another shout out to Steve Lenham of Benden Tech. He helped me out with a newly aquired M300 that had a dead VFD when he totally didn't have to, considering he is in the UK and I am in Texas. It made no sense for me to send it across the water to him as much as I would have liked to. Anyway via email, he entertained all of our troubleshooting and theories to a fixed unit. Good dude! Now, back to your original scheduled program.
Agreed, Steve seems to be a great guy, I emailed him with a few questions regarding various lexicon units and his advice was great.
Old 21st February 2014 | Show parent
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Just another shout out to Steve Lenham of Benden Tech. He helped me out with a newly aquired M300 that had a dead VFD when he totally didn't have to, considering he is in the UK and I am in Texas. It made no sense for me to send it across the water to him as much as I would have liked to. Anyway via email, he entertained all of our troubleshooting and theories to a fixed unit. Good dude! Now, back to your original scheduled program.
Totally agree....though if your replacing all your Op Amps in a PCM-60 don't expect any sympathy (From Any Tech) should you not use schematics and totally F**k it Up...This happened very recently to a forum member, as he wanted the PCM-60 which tops out at 8-10Khz to have a "Light, Modern & Bright Sound" The exact reason you'd buy a PCM-60! DIY people can expect even less sympathy as many Tech's will no longer touch a unit a non tech has had a go at especially Lexicon! Those offenders have been warned! Hmmm?....Now back to normal transmission!

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Old 21st February 2014
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Hi all. Just joined. Just saw this thread. My first post. I had a limited amount of success in the '80's & '90's and used to use a single LARC to control a 224XL and a 480L. I can safely say that there was one 480L preset that I have used, albeit highly tweeked, on almost every gold and platinum project that I have ever mixed. What's that you're wondering? The 2 most beautiful words you could ever see in a LARC display... Brick Wall. It made the AMS RMX-16 non-lin preset sound anemic in comparison! Also Tiled Room in a PCM-70 was another regular. I'm currently shopping for a 480L and another one of my all-time faves, a Quantec QRS. I'm so happy to see that these boxes are still around!
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If you have a major problem with your Lexicon Reverb from 30 years ago - good luck getting it repaired.
If you have a 30 year old Eventide box - you will BE ABLE to get it repaired.
FWIW I have 9 lexicon reverbs and 2 Eventides so I have some first hand experience with this.
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Just in case someone with a rather large Investment goes down! These companies offer Lexicon Repairs. 21/2/2014

USA:Beamish Electronics Chicago: Fixes 224/200/300/480L etc

UK: Benden Tech: London Fixes 224/200/300/480L etc
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If you have a major problem with your Lexicon Reverb from 30 years ago - good luck getting it repaired.
If you have a 30 year old Eventide box - you will BE ABLE to get it repaired.
FWIW I have 9 lexicon reverbs and 2 Eventides so I have some first hand experience with this.
If I had a 30 year old 2016 die I'd bury it. If I had a 480L die, I would move heaven and earth to revive it. Just sayin'. (Note: Beamish is in Cleveland)
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Hi all. Just joined. Just saw this thread. My first post. I had a limited amount of success in the '80's & '90's and used to use a single LARC to control a 224XL and a 480L. I can safely say that there was one 480L preset that I have used, albeit highly tweeked, on almost every gold and platinum project that I have ever mixed. What's that you're wondering? The 2 most beautiful words you could ever see in a LARC display... Brick Wall. It made the AMS RMX-16 non-lin preset sound anemic in comparison! Also Tiled Room in a PCM-70 was another regular. I'm currently shopping for a 480L and another one of my all-time faves, a Quantec QRS. I'm so happy to see that these boxes are still around!
Nice info What kind of a preset was it, what algorithm?
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Hi there. I have a burning question. Say I was to buy a standard M300 (front panel controlled) then buy a LARC at a later date, can LARCs be used with the standard 3.5 software or is there hoops to jump through??
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Nice info What kind of a preset was it, what algorithm?
It's been so long now I don't remember. Halls or Rooms I would imagine. I remember it came out in the 2nd release of software. The first release had actual names for halls like "Concertgebouw" (an actual concert hall in Amsterdam, NL). The second release had names like Brick Wall and Silica Beads.
Old 23rd February 2014
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Wild Spaces perhaps?
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Just in case someone with a rather large Investment goes down! These companies offer Lexicon Repairs. 21/2/2014

USA:Beamish Electronics Chicago: Fixes 224/200/300/480L etc

UK: Benden Tech: London Fixes 224/200/300/480L etc
And I fix them although I'm not that fast at doing it these days and I don't really want to do a lot of them. Mostly I buy the broken ones off ebay, fix them, and either resell or add them to my collection.
Old 23rd February 2014 | Show parent
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PCM91 St John's Hall

Does anyone know if the PCM91 St John's Hall preset can be recreated with the PCM plugin (or PCM 96)? Or if anyone has a PCM 91 and they wouldn't mind sending me a message with a list of the parameters for this patch I'd be really grateful. I'm currently using an IR of this patch but would love to recreate something close to it with the PCM plugin.
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Hi there. I have a burning question. Say I was to buy a standard M300 (front panel controlled) then buy a LARC at a later date, can LARCs be used with the standard 3.5 software or is there hoops to jump through??
Hi There,
The Software for an M/L300 or as you are asking is specifically for an M300 and that is 3.5L software and this involves the Larc Software though also requires a 224/XL/480L or 300L Larc that uses a 10-20 Volt DC Wall Wart Adapter @800 Milliamps (No the 224XL and 480L do not require this nor a 300L Mainframe although an M300 Does.) Basically the Larc has a DC Current input, a touch like a controller interface that requires current as the M300 9 Pin D-Sub Output does not have the power for the Larc Install the M300 3.5L (Not 3.5x) Larc software as well as adding the 800 Ma DC Wall Wart to the Larc, Reset the M300 and the front Panel will power down (No Fluro Display)….that will be gone, and you will have Mach A & B from the front panel of the Larc.

One thing to take into mind is that if your using an M/L300 Digitally lower the Input/Output of the M/L300 in AES/EBU or even Analog as the total headroom of the unit is +26dBm and that is fine though not for Cranking and riding heavy returns via AES, so although once set to 20 bit AES your down to near + 7/8 dBm of actual Headroom, (Not a huge amount in all consideration) so....drop the Level by -10dBm and you've got much more power to use on Sends and Returns. In fact this goes for Analog or Any Digital In/Out mode on an M/L300, as yes you do have headroom, though certain programs and presets are arranged to use that actual gain in a Patch... so a work around is dropping the Input/Output Levels on purpose there by giving the M/L300 and it's Convertors more headroom in all scenarios. The 480L has a trim screw for this that you can set with a meter, though an M/L300 does not! Dropping the levels give you a much "Deeper and Harder Reverb/FX" type of work out!

Hope that answers your question.

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Old 26th February 2014 | Show parent
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Hi There,
The Software for an M/L300 or as you are asking is specifically for an M300 and that is 3.5L software and this involves the Larc Software though also requires a 224/XL/480L or 300L Larc that uses a 10-20 Volt DC Wall Wart Adapter @800 Milliamps (No the 224XL and 480L do not require this nor a 300L Mainframe although an M300 Does.) Basically the Larc has a DC Current input, a touch like a controller interface that requires current as the M300 9 Pin D-Sub Output does not have the power for the Larc Install the M300 3.5L (Not 3.5x) Larc software as well as adding the 800 Ma DC Wall Wart to the Larc, Reset the M300 and the front Panel will power down (No Fluro Display)….that will be gone, and you will have Mach A & B from the front panel of the Larc.

One thing to take into mind is that if your using an M/L300 Digitally lower the Input/Output of the M/L300 in AES/EBU or even Analog as the total headroom of the unit is +26dBm and that is fine though not for Cranking and riding heavy returns via AES, so although once set to 20 bit AES your down to near + 7/8 dBm of actual Headroom, (Not a huge amount in all consideration) so....drop the Level by -10dBm and you've got much more power to use on Sends and Returns. In fact this goes for Analog or Any Digital In/Out mode on an M/L300, as yes you do have headroom, though certain programs and presets are arranged to use that actual gain in a Patch... so a work around is dropping the Input/Output Levels on purpose there by giving the M/L300 and it's Convertors more headroom in all scenarios. The 480L has a trim screw for this that you can set with a meter, though an M/L300 does not! Dropping the levels give you a much "Deeper and Harder Reverb/FX" type of work out!

Hope that answers your question.

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So it is possible to use a LARC with V3.5, just I’d have to pick up a cheap wall wart.
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So it is possible to use a LARC with V3.5, just I’d have to pick up a cheap wall wart.
NO....! Not 3.5.x
You need 3.5L.x Software and an M300, with Larc & DC Power. Did you not read my Post?

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NO....! Not 3.5.x
You need 3.5L.x Software and an M300, with Larc & DC Power. Did you not read my Post?

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Okay, 3.5L software is required. I read a post somewhere saying that the M300 has jumper switch inside when activated supplies the 12V DC to the commport.
Old 27th February 2014 | Show parent
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Okay, 3.5L software is required. I read a post somewhere saying that the M300 has jumper switch inside when activated supplies the 12V DC to the commport.
Well disinformation is riff on many topics. The com port (D-sub 9 pin) on the M300 is used for a special M300 Lexicon diagnostic software, so if need be, problems with internals can and are cycled thru, and found. The M300 and Larc is different to an L300 and Larc. No external power is required as there is no front display to power etc! Where is this Gem of M/l300 12-V -DC
switching? I've written many, many M/L300 posts over years on GS, and maybe I just have not run across it, is it on GS, REP or another forum? As it's clearly wrong! Are you trying to put an M300 & Larc together or an L300 etc? maybe give me an idea of what your looking to cobble together and I can help you achieve what your obviously trying to do!

[edit] Don't get me wrong, the 9 pin D-sub carries power, it's just the M300 as opposed to a 224/XL, 480L or L300 has this power, hence the M300 & Larc requiring a DC 800ma Supply!

Cheers
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I would give anything to have the PCM91 St John's Hall preset available in a plugin.

I rely on this particular patch for my main guitar sound, its become almost part of my signature sound. I have spent some time with the PCM 96 plugin, but was unable to recreate the special sound of this patch. I think this is simply because I'm not sure what path to follow with all the controls available.

If Michael or anyone else can tell me how the St John's Hall sound can be recreated (if it can be done) I would be eternally grateful (and I'd buy the plugin tomorrow!). Thanks.
The Chamber/Room split called 'Cathedrals' ?
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Nice info What kind of a preset was it, what algorithm?
As MadDaddy wrote, it's in the 'wild spaces' bank, uses the 'Plate' algorithm, I attached the setting from the 480 manual.

BTW: The relab 480lx 'brick wall' preset has wrong settings, you'll have to set the decay optimization 'correctly'.
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As MadDaddy wrote, it's in the 'wild spaces' bank, uses the 'Plate' algorithm, I attached the setting from the 480 manual.

BTW: The relab 480lx 'brick wall' preset has wrong settings, you'll have to set the decay optimization 'correctly'.
Thanks a lot! I like and use Relab480 a lot, but the documentation and support is a bad joke I downloaded some Preset folders but only have Banks 1,2,4,6,11,13 and 14 but I just now realized I could copy the rest from the manual instead.. Have you downloaded any more presets from somewhere?
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Thanks a lot! I like and use Relab480 a lot, but the documentation and support is a bad joke I downloaded some Preset folders but only have Banks 1,2,4,6,11,13 and 14 but I just now realized I could copy the rest from the manual instead.. Have you downloaded any more presets from somewhere?
Attached are the Banks 3, 12, a 'corrected' version of the 'Brick Wall' and some programs from the Classic Card manual I typed in and edited a bit, they will not sound right because the relab does not (yet?) have the CC algorithms, but they make good use of the ER delays - and still sound great to me.
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File Type: zip relab complete add banks.zip (25.3 KB, 65 views)

Last edited by cowudders; 1st March 2014 at 12:18 PM.. Reason: attached zip
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What's that you're wondering? The 2 most beautiful words you could ever see in a LARC display... Brick Wall. It made the AMS RMX-16 non-lin preset sound anemic in comparison!
DN-780 "Alive" algorithm is another I consider much nicer than Non-Lin on the AMS if you wanted that kind of sound.
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Attached are the Banks 3, 12, a 'corrected' version of the 'Brick Wall' and some programs from the Classic Card manual I typed in and edited a bit, they will not sound right because the relab does not (yet?) have the CC algorithms, but they make good use of the ER delays - and still sound great to me.
Awesome, thanks a lot!
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