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STA Level and 176
Old 6th September 2008
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STA Level and 176

I'm going to pick up one of each of these in the next couple of months. Just curious if you guys are tracking with them as much as mixing.

Get me exited!
Old 6th September 2008
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Originally Posted by dhiltonlittle ➑️
I'm going to pick up one of each of these in the next couple of months. Just curious if you guys are tracking with them as much as mixing.

Get me exited!
Yes.

(Excited?)

-andrews
Old 6th September 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhiltonlittle ➑️
I'm going to pick up one of each of these in the next couple of months. Just curious if you guys are tracking with them as much as mixing.

Get me exited!
Ok, to be a bit (just a little) serious, I LOVE the Retro 176... it is amazing and I find myself constantly tracking both vocals and bass with it!

AND, when it's not been tracked with, it'll find a home on mixdown.

It's truly solid and one of those instant gratification pieces. I have loads of gear I love, but many were "learned" to love type things, the Retro 176 INSTANTLY put a smile on my face.

Be excited man! You have every right and I'm positive you'll be happy with that purhcase!!! Truly.

-andrews
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They both work for tracking and mixing..
wish I had 2 more of each
Turn em on and start twisting knobs..whatever works.
Enjoy.

..
Old 6th September 2008 | Show parent
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I rarely use anything for tracking.

But all my Sta Levels and 176's are used during mixdown.

Lots of flexibility, difficult to make 'em sound bad.
Old 6th September 2008 | Show parent
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I've been using my Sta-Level on bass and sticking with a CL1B on vocals during tracking. I've found the CL1B is great for initially smoothing sharp transients. I always use the sta-level when on vocals when mixing down though.
Old 6th September 2008 | Show parent
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Regarding STA and 176 . . .

Are you meaning the real ones, or new ones?
Old 6th September 2008 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by vernier ➑️
Are you meaning the real ones, or new ones?
sorry, should have clarified.

i'm talking about the new ones.

vocal chain is usually cm7 or u87>1073>cl1b or stc8>hedd 192.

i mainly want these for mixing. just curious how they stack up to some of the other comps out there on the tracking side.
Old 7th September 2008 | Show parent
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I would like to pick up One STA-Level - for mixing! Its wonderful piece of gear!
Old 7th September 2008 | Show parent
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I usually don't track bass and vox without them.

When tracking live... Bass and STA... Vox and 176... If I am dubbing in a bass, then I use the 176.

Also both sound great on kick drum, piano, and guitars
Old 8th September 2008
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Retro 176 issue...

When the amplifier is active the unit emits a very high frequency noise.
It's fairly high pitched and not very loud at all but it's there.
Goes away when the amp is bypassed. Anyone else notice this with their unit?
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Yeah, I've noticed this... but only on bass. At first, I assumed it was my ampeg head... but after a little tweaking around, I did realize it was coming from both my STA and 176... But it only happens on bass for some reason
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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It's an unfortunate obvious issue when cutting vocals for me.
I'm not an electrical engineer but it sounds like tube noise...amplified. If that makes any sense.
At first we thought it might be the track lighting in the live room. Wasn't.
I have inexpensive mood lighting in the live room with 40 watt bulbs. Thought it might be those. Wasn't. We eliminated the units in the chain and found it was the 176 but only when the amplifier is engaged. That's why it leads me believe it's tube noise.
I'm going to reach out to the manufacturer today to discuss. Hopefully, there's a hard fix or perhaps a usage suggestion that will help avoid this issue.
This would be a tough compromise for me to accept given it's price tag.
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Weird..I haven't experienced any noise issues with the units
Yeah call him..he'll sort it
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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I've had no noise issues with either unit.

Definitely contact Phil Moore.

My first action would be to replace the tubes, one at a time.
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Mine is noisy also.
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike H ➑️
I've had no noise issues with either unit.

Definitely contact Phil Moore.

My first action would be to replace the tubes, one at a time.
Mike Nehra (Vintage King) got immediately back to me regarding this. I'm sure it will be addressed. We're pretty confident that it's a tube related issue. I opened the front panel and peered into the unit. Beautiful workmanship!! This piece should be on display in an art museum
I'm sure either Mike and/or myself will be speaking with Phil today.

For you folks that have both the 176 and the Sta Level...How different is the Sta Level from the 176...overkill to own both...totally different animals??
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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One further comment.

Because the Sta Level can easily drop the gain 30-40dB in a very transparent way, I'll occasionally notice a hum when I solo a track....................then I'll look over at the Sta Level and realize that I have cranked the gain reduction to a very large number without realizing it. So, the Output has been cranked up and, of course, you hear a little hum because of this. I just back off the gain reduction a little bit, drop the Output a bit, and it goes away.

Just like when you have a guitar amp cranked up loud, you hear a hum at the speaker when you aren't playing the guitar.

This is a case where the unit is so good at what it does that you accidentally create the problem.
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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Phil Moore has already responded to the issue and is sending replacement tubes.
I literally emailed Mike Nehre around 5:00am this morning and both he and Phil Moore responded before 11:00am EST. Retro is in California.
Absolutely amazing response time.
Thanks to both Phil Moore and Mike Nehra at Vintage King.

I'm still getting used to the gain balance of the 176. However, not experiencing that hum you describe Mike. When the new tubes arrive I'l experiment with input/output levels before and after tube replacement.
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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Thats what I call service!

Phil is amazing when it comes to Customer support
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Originally Posted by RoundBadge ➑️
Thats what I call service!

Phil is amazing when it comes to Customer support
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We're already discussing a second unit at some point to chain together for tracking and also use in stereo on the 2 bus during mixdown
I've chosen to replace the manual sheets description of the INTERSTAGE (car analogy) to: OUT = Brooke Shields IN = Pam Anderson
Old 8th September 2008 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Jamz ➑️
I literally emailed Mike Nehre around 5:00am this morning and both he and Phil Moore responded before 11:00am EST. Retro is in California.
Absolutely amazing response time.
Thanks to both Phil Moore and Mike Nehra at Vintage King.
. I had a broken tube during shipping the Sta-level and after contacting Mike, Phil did send me right away a new matched pair for free - shipping was free too - here in NL(EU). Great support!

Henk
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Henk, where are you located in the Netherlands ?
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By the way this young mixing engineer Fabian Marasciullo has two STA-Levels in his rack.
Old 25th September 2008 | Show parent
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Just got a Sta-Level. OH MY! I LOVE LOVE LOVE it. So far just tracked vocals with a CM7-GT ->MA5 ->Sta-Level. Pretty much the sound I've always been going for. Thanks Phil!!
Old 25th September 2008 | Show parent
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I have got an original [totally restored] Sta-Level that I use more for mixing then for tracking. It is hit or miss with the Sta-level. Sometimes it is great and other times not.
Old 18th October 2008 | Show parent
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So what's the difference between the 176 and Sta-Level sonically?
Old 18th October 2008 | Show parent
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Are you meaning the real ones, or new ones?
Dude - you're such a snob...we get it...you like vintage.
Old 18th October 2008 | Show parent
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Dude - you're such a snob...we get it...you like vintage.
HEE! ..how could I be a snob if I track to cassette with a dbx163, which I do sometimes.

As for re-issues and plug ins, they should be named differently, cause they're different from the originals.
'
Old 29th October 2008 | Show parent
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Holy crap!!!!!!

I have tried a LOT of gear out lately. I was set not to get very excited about anything, and the more I tried, the less excited I was about hardware vs. plugins. Lots of great hardware, but nothing that just blew me away. I'm demoing a Sta Level and a 176 right now, and I have to say these are BY FAR the most musical and useful compressors I have ever had my hands on, and I've tried and owned a LOT of them lately. These things are both AMAZING!!!! I have never used another compressor that can hit 20dB of gain reduction and sound smooth, fat, and musical with airy high end. Totally amazing pieces of gear. The tough part for me is going to be deciding which one works better for me. I can't justify both right now, but I can tell you one of these is going to stay in my studio permanently. With either one of these, I would not be afraid at all to use somewhat heavy compression during tracking. I can't highly recommend these enough. So far I've tried them on vocals, bass, and acoustic guitar. Unfortunately, I can't try and stereo sources since I don't have two of either units, but I now believe the other guys who have raved about them in stereo. Simply amazing units. Get a demo - you will keep it.

VS
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