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Old 10th July 2002
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stereo EQ

Looking for a GREAT stereo EQ under $ 5K for tracking and stereo bus insert. What do you guys recommend?
Old 10th July 2002
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stereo EQ

This is a little beyond my usual economic bracket, but when shopping for two channels of EQ, is there anything you can't obtain for $5K? When I think of cost is no object EQ, I think of the Manley Massive Passive, original and replica Pultecs and the units used mainly in the mastering world, like Sontec. While I know nothing about Sontec prices, the Manley, Putlec and other new and vintage high end EQs usually don't come near $5k.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the API 550 and a pair of the old "no-letter" 550's are my primary EQ's. But when the cash is available, I'd like a true stereo EQ unit; mabye the Massive Passive, maybe pair of old German mastering EQ's from an old Neumann mastering console? So much gear, so little money.....
Old 10th July 2002
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The Massive Passive, and the NTi 2 space eq get my vote.
Old 10th July 2002
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Sontec/ GML are great as shaping tools and are very precise and musical , yet in the same breath have very little in the way of colour or 'phat' qualities... but thats why they are so valauble in mastering/mixing stages. But they allow you to shape sounds very well if you like to get in deep with eq when tracking.

Sontec are harder to find new but more readiliy avaialble 2nd hand and very cheap for what they do... have seen used for $1900 US.. so go and figure.... Vintageking.com have them new and mike and the crew are one of the few people who actually know where and how to contact Burgess Mcneil..Mr Sontec. he has no website that i know of and its very hard to find info on hsi equipment on the WWW.

GML is easy talk to Fletcher and go fromt here or email Manley.

Other contenders include.. CLM dynamics.. a new twist on Eq and very good for the $$

Massive PAssive is very nice also.....and expensive but all my tastes are so go figure..

I would not go for pultec new or old stereo or pairs personally. Whilst they are great at what they do they are kinda one trick ponies and dont really let u get down and dirty when u want to eq something.

There are heaps of others arounds .. just try them out and see which one gives you the biggest woody ina variety of jobs? or maybe find a couple fo different ones.. your $$ your choice..

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 10th July 2002
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Sontec seems to be the deal out here, not really sure of the model, seen a few different ones.
Old 10th July 2002
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1) Massive Passive - if the knobs are too slippy get a mastering version (if they make one)
2) Maselec (isnt that the same as Sontech?)
3) GML - (again, perhaps mastering version)
4) Klien & Hummel ?
5) Telefunken mastering eq (!?)

Massive Passive is a GOOD vibe IMHO especialy in a digital studio.

Old 10th July 2002
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jon
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Michael,

We have the GML 8200 and the Massive Passive.

The Massivo gets used a LOT more by visiting engineers than the GML...though part of that might be the novelty issue...the GML EQ is standard equipment in all the rooms these guys work in but not the Massivo.

For tracking, if I need EQ I tend to go with the Neve 10xx or the desk EQ on the J (using more often the "G" series than the "E" series curves).

FWIW I primarily use the Massivo on the stereo bus, but a lot of other guys like it on vox or stereo subgroups.
Old 10th July 2002
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Thanx everybody, great info.

I think it comes down to the GML and Massive Passive. The TC 6000 has 8 GMLs built in and I've played with the Massive at my mastering engineer's studio and liked it a lot. Looks like I have some shopping to do.
Old 10th July 2002
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Re: stereo EQ

Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener
Looking for a GREAT stereo EQ under $ 5K for tracking and stereo bus insert. What do you guys recommend?
When do you need it? I'm developing an EQ with Crane Song that will be a killer unit for tracking, mixing, and (of course) mastering.
Old 10th July 2002
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Michael, you might also look at the Millennia TCL-2. I'll have some time where I won't need mine in the next couple of weeks - you could give it a try.
Old 10th July 2002
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Well golly Dave... the TCL-2 is a rather vile dual channel "opto" compressor... don't think it'll work too well as a "stereo eq" [from my experience, it doesn't work well as a stereo compressor either].

In the price range originally proposed, the options are pretty much an Avalon 2055, a Manley Massive Passive, or even a pair of Speck ASC's... for a "digital eq"... the Z-Systems ZQ-2...

Best of luck with your search...
Old 10th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher
Well golly Dave... the TCL-2 is a rather vile dual channel "opto" compressor... don't think it'll work too well as a "stereo eq" [from my experience, it doesn't work well as a stereo compressor either].
Yeah, I missed the numbers - the EQ is the NSEQ. But remember that the compressor circuit from the TCL was designed for Jimmy Messina's live guitar rig (at least, according to Fred).

I've found a place where the TCL2 works for me - not really 'stereo', but on the acoustic guitars in the mix. I have two mics set up for acoustic - one low and one high, panned hard left and right. If I have one acoustic on a track, then both mics go through the TCL-2. if I have a second pass of acoustic, I'll simply take one channel out of record and run the second pass. Whether it's one acoustic or two, the TCL keeps them pretty much where they need to be.

My biggest complaint with the TCL-2 is that the ratios I prefer to use (usually less than 4:1, and sometimes quite a bit less) is a bit difficult to set. The fully counter-clockwise position is about 7:00, and the 9:00 position is labeled at 6:1. I would much prefer a higher resolution at the low end. of the scale.
Old 11th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Martin


Yeah, I missed the numbers - the EQ is the NSEQ.
Dave, you know I was just 'funnin' with you a little bit... sorry, I just couldn't resist...
Old 11th July 2002
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just feel like I have to add a vote for the avalon 2055
Old 13th July 2002
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Stereo EQ Update:

Bruce Dunnet of 1001 Sons Distributions (formerly head of Digi France) brought over some Millenia stuff to play with this week...(and some DPA mics and NHT nearfields).

Much to my honest surprise, I have to say that I was pretty mpressed by the detail and realism of the Millenia pres, and the musicality and color of the valve version of the dual topology Millenia stereo EQ.

I had a rental Avalon 2055 to play with today and I spent about 15 minutes comparing it on the mix buss to the Massivo and the GML 8200.

These EQs are very different-sounding. My personal prefs after the cursory mix buss test would be (1) Massivo (and maybe the Millenia -- would need more time with it) (2) GML and (3) 2055.

Do check out the stereo Millenia EQ; it was extremely musical. I have to try that unit again.

P.S. I'll be trying out the EMI Chandler limiter and a pair of ADAM S3As in a couple of weeks...am KEEN to hear 'em!

P.P.S. Found another new pair of NS10s...hooray!
Old 13th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener
Thanx everybody, great info.

I think it comes down to the GML and Massive Passive. The TC 6000 has 8 GMLs built in and I've played with the Massive at my mastering engineer's studio and liked it a lot. Looks like I have some shopping to do.
Hey Michael...check out the Mellinia(spelling?) one (the dual path- tube or solid-one).
JJP has one (with a couple of differrent chips than the stock edition), and when last I was there it was GREAT!!!
Old 13th July 2002
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Originally posted by recorderman


Hey Michael...check out the Mellinia(spelling?) one (the dual path- tube or solid-one).
JJP has one (with a couple of differrent chips than the stock edition), and when last I was there it was GREAT!!!
What doesn't JJP have?
Old 13th July 2002
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Originally posted by Drumsound


What doesn't JJP have?
the point being that MW is looking for a new stereo buss eq...and that reccomendation goes a long way. It's common to bash people at the top....most of you only know him as an album credit. I have been lucky enough to work with both JJP and our grand moderator MW. Both are excellant.
Old 13th July 2002
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Everyone here (including me) seems to reach for the Massive Passive. Very 'musical' and less clinical than some other more active sounding eq's.
Jon, you're gonna love the Adams.
Chap
Old 14th July 2002
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Originally posted by chap
Everyone here (including me) seems to reach for the Massive Passive. Very 'musical' and less clinical than some other more active sounding eq's.
The flexibility and power of the Manley Massive Passive... along with it's somehow inate ability to not allow the user to do anything that isn't musical [I mean unless you seriously work hard to be a total ****up] make it a "first grab" in my book...

The GML 8200 is heaven on earth for "surgical correction", but the Massive Passive is one of the things I consider to be a "good box" [run something through it, twiddle the knobs, and no matter what crap went in... it comes out "good"].

The variable slope on the shelving is brilliant... and having mid bands that can do shelving as well as peak/dip is sheer brilliance!!! "Hutch" really outdid himself on that one!!!
Old 20th July 2002
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Hello everyone, you have my vote as well on "The Massive Passive!" I got mine at an unbelievable price ($3.200.00!) in November. Coupled with the MU, Magic is in my Studio!

The Massive Passive is a warm and detailed Tubed Tool! There is no EQ like it. It has a natural quality that is all it's own.

I am glad that I got mine before the $7,000 price range hit! dfegad heh

Massive Passive is a miricle end cure!
Old 20th July 2002
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To the Tommy tune...

"Extra!" "Extra!" "Reeeeeead all about it! Mass-ive Pass-ive is a miracle end cure!"

"Extra!"

Old 22nd July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by recorderman


the point being that MW is looking for a new stereo buss eq...and that reccomendation goes a long way. It's common to bash people at the top....most of you only know him as an album credit. I have been lucky enough to work with both JJP and our grand moderator MW. Both are excellant.
That wasn't meant as a slag on JJP. I think he's great. I keep the Mix with his room on the cover around for inspiration. My comment was more like "wow he's got EVERYTHING," which is not a bad thing. Especially when you have his ears and talent to really drive that bus.

I guess I should have used more of the goofy symbols so people knew my comment was light hearted.
Old 28th July 2002
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Re: stereo EQ

Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener
Looking for a GREAT stereo EQ under $ 5K for tracking and stereo bus insert. What do you guys recommend?
Wow! Great forum! This is my first post here. yuktyy

Another vote for the Massive Passive. On several occasions, I've found that just switching in the cool little blue-lit EQ IN switches (buttons really), and not doing any kind of eq, has added a richness to the mix. I won't call it "tubey" or "warm", infact I don't know what to call it really, but it's effect is magical.

When I have used the eq, it certainly magnified the already lush musicality coming from the box.
Old 28th July 2002
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Hey....

Has anyone heard of HSE stereo EQ?.. from what little i have been able to find ont he WWW about them they are supposedly high quality Swiss made eqs.... Jules if u is sniffin around Funky junk has one really cheap around 800pound or so ... do us a favour and report!

Cheers

Wiggy
Old 6th August 2002
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Thanx everybody for your input. I got the Massive Passive and it truely is magic. It does something great to the sound even when no knobs are turned. It seems like you can't mess up when using it, even when delibearately overdoing it..

One question: the unit I got is purple metallic. I've never seen one in purple just brushed aluminum. Is this an option? Looks cool though, kinda mean.
Old 6th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener

One question: the unit I got is purple metallic. I've never seen one in purple just brushed aluminum. Is this an option? Looks cool though, kinda mean.
Oh, you got a bad one. I suggest that you give it to me and buy one of the normal ones.
Old 6th August 2002
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One more vote for Massive Passive. What a character it has. Also, GML 8200 is awesome but in a different way than the Manley.
Old 7th August 2002
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Just picked up a Massive Passive...beautiful sounding and definately hard to make sound bad. We got (stole) ours fromGC in San Diego for 2500 bucks. They knew not wha they had! Craig
Old 7th August 2002
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jeez guys .... am I the only one around here on a budget ......
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