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Old 7th July 2002
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Channel strip contest AGAIN

Sorry to be so boring

Avalon 737 vs. Millenia STT1 vs. Pendulum Quartet
Old 7th July 2002
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I have philisophical objections to channels strips as well as practical ones. First, I like to mix and match preamps and compressors when I track - a pre from one manufacturer, a compressor from another, and perhaps an EQ from a third company. And actually, I seldom EQ to tape. So if I bought a channel strip, I wouldn't actually be using what I've paid for. A waste of money. And that's assuming that all of the sections (pre,comp, EQ) are to my taste in any event, which is not necessarily true.

I'd suggest that you buy a nice preamp, a nice compressor, and a nice EQ. in the end, each piece separately will be more usable than an all-in-one box.
Old 7th July 2002
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The 737 doesn't even belong in the race with the other two.
Old 7th July 2002
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Ok Dave...

OK Dave I could put it another way -

best signal path (mic pre/compressor/eq) for no more than UK Β£2500?
Old 7th July 2002
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Re: Ok Dave...

Quote:
Originally posted by BevvyB

best signal path (mic pre/compressor/eq) for no more than UK Β£2500?
Well, according the the currency conversion page I have bookmarked, that's $3,803.25 USD. There are actually quite a number of combinations in that range...

Starting with compressor/limiters, I'd suggest that the choice depends in large part on what you want to record. My two favorite vocal compressors (at least when tracking) are a Tube Tech CL-1B or an LA-2A. If I use compression when tracking electric guitars, It's generally an 1176 or the Crane Song Trakker. I really like the Daking limiter on kick and snare, but they don't seem to be as versitile (meaning as transparent) as the Trakker.

I found a UK price on the CL-1B at Β£1,587, or 2,414.32USD from http://www.systemsworkshop.com/ though I assume that if you shopped around, you could get a better price. Mercenary is selling the Trakker for 1,875 USD.

Preamps are a little more difficult, since most of them come in pairs. I'd suggest a Great River NV in a heartbeat, but they're a little higher than your budget (of course, you get two preamps...)

So staying under your budget, I'd either get a Vintech X73 (US list is $1995, but I imagine that there are better prices) which gives you both a pre and an EQ. There'a also the Daking pre and EQ (around $1500 USD) which is a pretty good emulation of a Trident A Range. Either of those and a Trakker would give you a fine set of alternatives. And you could use the EQ and the compressor on other tracks when you mix. Most of the channel strips don't have the option of using, for example, the EQ section on one track and the compressor on another at the same time. I think that the 9098 does, but most don't.

Or you could go with an API from Brent Averill and even something like the Speck ASC (it's cheap, it's clean, and it does the job. I've already mentioned that I generally don't EQ to tape...), which could give you enough of a budget to get the Tube Tech to finish out your signal path.

Anyway, there are lots of alternatives, including finding a 1073 (these seem to be around $3K USD) and buying the Peavey tube limiter, the VC/L-2, which is a fine bargain at around $800 USD. So don't lock yourself into a single signal path if you don't have to...
Old 7th July 2002
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I'll second everything Dave wrote.

Don't like channel strips. Mix and match is better. I rarely EQ when tracking.

The LA2A, 1176LN and CL1B are the three comps I generally use for tracking. Distant fourth: dbx 160VU.

I use Neve 10XXs (just the pre usually, w/o the EQ) or SSL J series pres for most things.
Sometimes a Tubetech MP1A or a vintage Focusrite or a GML 8304 too. Martech MSS10s are great, too.
FWIW I'd like to try a G-T Vipre.
Old 7th July 2002
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If Bev settles on a SondeluxU95 will a Neve 1272 pre racked by Brent Avrill & a Tracker be a good combo?

The 1272 can cope with most synth outs cant it?

And mic's? (he's not getting a low output ribbon for the moment)
Old 7th July 2002
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Re: Re: Ok Dave...

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Martin


Well, according the the currency conversion page I have bookmarked, that's $3,803.25 USD. There are actually quite a number of combinations in that range...
If you primarily want the preamp for vocals, overheads, acoustic, etc, I would suggest the Phoenix Audio DRS-2 and a Crane Song Trakker. You will be under budget with that combo.

If you are primarily doing electric guitars, bass cab, upright bass, toms I would go with a Vintech X73 and a Trakker. This will be a few quid over budget.

Both will work well on any source, it just depends on if you need a little more color and bigger low end (Vintech) or a little cleaner with a clearer low mid (Phoenix). Also, would you rather have a preamp with EQ (and compressor), or two preamps (with the one compressor) and no EQ?
Old 7th July 2002
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OK OK, so to continue (and thanks all...)

What about to hell with the eq still in this price frame?

And I haven't heard much about the DRS2, what's it all about? I know its made here in UK, but what's all the fuss about?
Old 8th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by BevvyB
OK OK, so to continue (and thanks all...)

What about to hell with the eq still in this price frame?

One option is to see if you can find the Peavey dual channel limiter (though it may be out of production); that and a Great River NV (or the Phoenix - I haven't played with it, so I can't comment from experience) would give you two chanels of pre and compression within your budget.
Old 8th July 2002
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Bev just needs a mono mic pre...

Old 8th July 2002
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jon
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I'd say there's not been much talk about EQ because it is relatively less important in the tracking chain.

The performer, equipment and room, the mic choice & placement, the mic pre, the compressor, the tape machine/alignment/flux/tape choice (or if digital, the clock and converters), and good monitors to hear what you're doing are the essentials.

If you want EQ for tracking, I'd personally pick up a Neve or API pre/EQ from Brent Averill in LA. He and Avedis are friendly, helpful, patient, and provide great after-sales service.

With $3800 to spend, I'd just worry about the pre and the comp.

Or save up to get a Neve pre/EQ and an LA2A, 1176 or CL1B.

Or go to a real studio (wow, what a concept).
Old 8th July 2002
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1 x mic pre

1 x compressor

And now

1 x A/D 96k capable unit (Lucid probably)

All in the mentined budget
Old 8th July 2002
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Just a comment cos I'm doin the same thang at the moment Only I want more micpres and more compressors. Is second-hand gear too scary to go down for Bev's or anyones needs? There are a few high end bits of stuff for sale second-hand here, their new price is up there in the clouds for me, but in good nick used condition, you can get some bees knees stuff.Is this totally reckless at this level?

And a question for those that use 'em - The Fatso Jnr...apparently it has some sort of 1176LN emulation mode....is this any good? I'm not aware of the UK price on the Fatso, but for tracking, if the emulation is any good, the Fatso would definately be on my list. If it's above Bev's budget -- sorry Bev, but anybody mind giving poor old stedel their opinion on the Fatso's emulation thang? No need for epics, don't want to hijack Bev's post, if I'm out of line and it's not in Bev's range of options tell me to piss off and put up my own post.
Kind regards
Old 8th July 2002
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Own post please!
Old 8th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by BevvyB
And I haven't heard much about the DRS2, what's it all about? I know its made here in UK, but what's all the fuss about?
The fuss is about a few things. First, it's a preamp that is 'based' on the Neve sound but retains more detail, less harmonic distortion, a clearer lower midrange and more extended top than a Neve 1073. These are some of the things I love about a 1073/X73 (absolutely the same sound), but not in certain applications. The 'Class A' Neve sound is probably my overall favorite 'character' preamp, but it is far from my first choice on Overheads, vocals, acoustic guitar, violin/fiddle, etc...things that need a smooth detailed top end but still scream for some character in the sound.
Old 8th July 2002
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Too much gear, not enough brain left...aghh

OK, sod it, and the budget

What about

VIPRE
Trakker
Soundelux mic

How's that for an input stage?
Old 8th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Bev just needs a mono mic pre...

I know, but it's not that easy to find a single channel preamp unless you buy a module from a console - Neve, Helios, Trident, whatever. And despite the ugly graphics, I'm surprisingly happy with that Peavey unit. Which would give him a dual channel setup.
Old 9th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by BevvyB
Too much gear, not enough brain left...aghh

OK, sod it, and the budget

What about

VIPRE
Trakker
Soundelux mic

How's that for an input stage?

There are worse fate's Bev.

You're already stretching your budget -there are 52 diferent paths you could go down IMHO this is anyone of 40 that will get you to a pretty cool place.

You'll be able to give yourself a great opportunity to come to terms with your mic (nice choice), and tne more you procrastinate, the more you'll end up confused:

"There was a dog
In Ancient Rome,
He had a bone
He had another"
Devo.

The second verse is a bit sad. The dog couldn't make up its mind which one to eat first and starved. Nobody is going to sneer at you with this choice...believe me. And if they do, you'll be smiling anyway.

Relax, do it, learn and enjoy

But please, this is IMHO.

Kind regards
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