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Old 6th July 2002
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Mindprint DTC

Hi,

I read a lot of hype reviews and comments about this unit in the German studio press (has been compared to a Manley Voxbox and all...). Has anybody some real world experience with this one? The feature list sounds extremely cool (High Quality Input stage, Pultec style eq's...have a look at www.mindprint.com). Would love to hear some comments...

Best,
Old 11th July 2002
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can't realy help you myself but you are right to say that their stuff looks cool .... rollz rollz

anybody ???
Old 11th July 2002
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They have been making low buget, cool looking stuff for a few years now.

that's all I know.

Jules
Old 11th July 2002
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REAL WORLD USE ON DTC

The question was has anyone had any real world use on mindprint dtc?
Well i have actually i do most of my recording to a totally digital domain
and i work at a retail store. so i was doing a test just recently on mic pre's
that i could afford..... I believe i tested the dtc, an avalon 737, the focusrite
track master, and a few others.. I was looking for a pre that would add color
something not clean i guess... but it wasnt the dtc,,, The dtc just sounded really
clean and smooth.. not harsh, and good comparison to avalon... i think your
getting what you would be paying for , we sell it for around 1500, you get
dynamics, eq, and pre... I call it the quality verses quantity, i didnt like it ,
not worth 1500 for a pre... but if you need a channel strip type gimmick that would
be the one..... Long story short it sounds like a mackie with a tiny bit of punch

AND IT DOES LOOK BAD ASS!!!!



JR
Old 10th September 2002
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I'm looking to buy a mic pre and I've had the chance to check out the mindprint DTC for a week now. Used it with a Neumann TLM 103 for vocals. Compared to both the low-end Focusrite Voicemaster and the high-end Amek 9098 I must say it sounded very good. Far smoother and open than the Voicemaster, in a totally different league really, and in my opinion also better than the Amek which I found somewhat sterile. It just got rid a lot better of any graininess and harshness than the other two. In spite of its clarity it also sounded warm. At the moment it's got my vote, but I've still got to compare it to the Avalon 737. Whatever I decide to go for, I would not consider the mindprint DTC as low-end gear by any standards, quite the contrary.

Cheers, Bob
Old 15th September 2002
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Well I've been comparing the Avalon 737 to the Mindprint DTC for 5 days now and I must say the Avalon probably is a just the slightest touch cleaner and more defined. However the DTC, when tweaked a bit is almost undistinguishable from it. It seems more and more like a great buy for the money to me (2 channels moreover).

Cheers, Bob.
Old 15th September 2002
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cool .... thanks for yoyr comments Bob


keep em coming

yuktyy
Old 27th January 2004
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I was searching and came across this thread. I bought a DTC over a year ago. After a week I nearly took it back because It just wasnt happening. or so I thought. after about 3 months I started to understand the DTC and began to know where it could be used. Im so glad now that I didnt return it.

The DTC is one of the best kept secrets out there imo. Im not even going to tell you guys why its so good........ ...because I cant. this unit is simply not for everyone. It takes time to understand it and its unlike anything else out there that I have tried. Imo it pisses all over the Avalon 737. It has so many uses, Vocals, Guitars, keys.

When you add up what you get it really is money well spent. There are dedicated Mic pres out there that are better, but I think once a mic pre gets to a certain level we are dealing with apples and oranges or simply its colour.

The compressor is fantastic imo. Excellent on bass, and guitars. really brings out the warmth. Its different from anything else out there and is very useful

The EQ isnt amazing, but it has a sound of its own, and theres usually nothing I couldnt achieve. The low frequency is dissapointing i have to admit.

But I love it, and in the future I definitely want another one.

but its definitely not for everyone I could see that.

Someone said its budget gear. I beg to differ. Its not that cheap
Old 27th January 2004
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If it is about Mindprint in general ... I mentioned somewhere here to have a MP AN/DI pro.
Since the day I got better A/D its convertors won´t be used anymore. While they are distinctively better than those of a 001 they still give you HF distortion and that thin sound thingy.
Their pres however are surprisingly good considered their price tag. I found them doing a pretty job on acoustic, especially classical guitar. Thus I´ll keep the box in case another two channels were needed.

In my limited experience MP stands for a fair deal. I doubt they would have anything in their shelf that could compare to the big names oomph and silk, still that won´t take away from their bang for the buck offer. With a look at the AN/DIpro at least I suppose that´s where they shine.

Ruphus
Old 27th January 2004
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I thought that the compressor was really pretty cool, but the pre left something to be desired- it worked well with ld condenser mics, but was ****ty with dynamic mics. Really though, I would compare it to the joe meek and focusrite platinum type stuff.
Old 27th January 2004
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The Mindprint DTC is a great 2 channel box. The mic pre's are better than the Focusrite Platinum series in that it is more open sounding. However the Langevin DVC mic pre's are superior in my A/B comparison with more fullness and detail. However the EQ on the DTC is better than any Waves EQ I have heard, and very flexible. It has a nice analog sound to it. The limiter is interesting. When you move it to the far left, the limiter just kicks in, and you hear a touch of warmth to your signal. As you move the knob clockwise, the tube sound gets stronger while the compression gets stronger. It has a A/D converter that you can get which is another added plus.

Check out the shinning review in SOS. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jun0...0a849133fc3c45
Old 27th January 2004
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I love my DTC. It’s one ****ing awesome pre. I would recommend it to anyone any time.
Old 27th January 2004
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dfegad Focusrite Platinum Series


Can't comment on the Red or Blue... but yikes!!!!!


Tunes
Old 13th April 2004
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I think the mindprint dtc is great...i've been using it for about a year now...heres a song i tracked with it..all the vocals and all the instruments were tracked with it...using its pre and compressor...
and i used it as a mix bus compressor too...

Its a Reggae Dance Hall kind of tune..a little different from what most of you guys are used too
Attached Files

fun.mp3 (1.85 MB, 7730 views)

Old 13th April 2004
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Yeah true - sound good!

Here is another well recorded song. All DTC and some Fatso.

Enjoy!
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test-01.mp3 (3.68 MB, 7081 views)

Old 13th April 2004
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I've had a chance to hot rod a couple of those. Good construction compared to the Behringer stuff. After replacing crappy capacitors and opamps, it sounded pretty good. I would have liked to install a tube stage bypass on it as I felt the tube was filtering out some of the details of the improved solid state sections. Sort of reminded me of the Aphex stuff in constuction.

Jim Williams
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Learning a lot here..

For vocals..what is the better buy?

Avalon 737
Focusrite 434
or Mindprint DTC?
Old 1st June 2008 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob ➡️
Well I've been comparing the Avalon 737 to the Mindprint DTC for 5 days now and I must say the Avalon probably is a just the slightest touch cleaner and more defined. However the DTC, when tweaked a bit is almost undistinguishable from it. It seems more and more like a great buy for the money to me (2 channels moreover).

Cheers, Bob.
Hi Bob and anyone else who can help. Bought a Mindprint DTC recently as I had heard great reports about it. Too be honest I have not really sussed it out in regards to using it etc. Can anyone tell me a really good setting in general for vocal recording with regards to setting the Compresser,Limiter and eq etc. It would be a starting point for me to begin. I am using a MOTU 828 souncard with Logic pro 8.
ALL HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED
ROODLE
Old 1st June 2008 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by richiecc ➡️
I was searching and came across this thread. I bought a DTC over a year ago. After a week I nearly took it back because It just wasnt happening. or so I thought. after about 3 months I started to understand the DTC and began to know where it could be used. Im so glad now that I didnt return it.

The DTC is one of the best kept secrets out there imo. Im not even going to tell you guys why its so good........ ...because I cant. this unit is simply not for everyone. It takes time to understand it and its unlike anything else out there that I have tried. Imo it pisses all over the Avalon 737. It has so many uses, Vocals, Guitars, keys.

When you add up what you get it really is money well spent. There are dedicated Mic pres out there that are better, but I think once a mic pre gets to a certain level we are dealing with apples and oranges or simply its colour.

The compressor is fantastic imo. Excellent on bass, and guitars. really brings out the warmth. Its different from anything else out there and is very useful

The EQ isnt amazing, but it has a sound of its own, and theres usually nothing I couldnt achieve. The low frequency is dissapointing i have to admit.

But I love it, and in the future I definitely want another one.

but its definitely not for everyone I could see that.

Someone said its budget gear. I beg to differ. Its not that cheap
Hi my friend as like you I have found it difficult first time to get to grips with this unit but maybe like yourself after a few months I will get it sussed. But however if you can help me it would be great. Any hints on a good starting point setting for vocals etc. Then instruments. I would greatly appreciate your help. Thanks
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I have a Mindprint DTC and just love it. What is a little overwhelming is the EQ. Lot's and lots of knobs to play with. This is how I always start with mine.

Bypass the EQ and compressor. Find the mic that you have that best suits the vocalist. Then listen to the high's. If it needs any more sparkle add some around 7-10k. That is usually above the silibent freq's. Have the Q value wide for boosting and narrow for reducing. Usually you will want to reduce (if needed) in the mid section. If this is done first, many times, you don't need to boost the highs or low. I also just turn the knobs and see if it improves things.

Once that is done, I usually will be a gentle compression on the vocals. It usually adds a little softness to it and it gives a more analog character that I like. It's a great unit. I just love the gentle musical-ness of the EQ. It's clean but it adds just a touch of Oh, that's nice! I found the compressor great on vocals, guitars and bass.

There is a photo of Alex Lifeson of Rush checking one out here. Mindprint
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I've owned one for a couple years now.

The preamp is a zero distortion pre. Even though it has input transformers. There's really no measurable distortion to speak of.

This is probably not a good thing for most people's tastes.

The compressor is a simple opto element with tube gain. It's not an awful comp, but it's not a competitive one.

The EQ and the routing capabilities are what keep the unit in my rack. The HPF and LPF are pre-insert (correct) and the rest of the EQ is post...so I can use the filters in a variety of places (e.g. as sidechains on other comps, etc.) and also use the 4-band parametric elsewhere.

Having a pair of zero distortion pres isn't the worst thing that can happen to you...you can get a bit of THD from putting the tubes in line if you want. Other than when the tubes are activated, the unit is quite low-noise. The mic input impedance is quite high, meaning that the sound is quite bright and crisp.

That combination of high input impedance and zero distortion will get plenty of people hating the pre (as "harsh" or "thin" or something), but it will be a very true image of your mic, and that makes it a good starting point for a variety of situations.
Old 10th December 2008 | Show parent
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The mindprint is well worth the price, in fact it is cheap for the quality that it offers. I have been recording with it for the past 3 years next to avalon. spl, ssl and plenty of other pre´s. The mindprint holds it own very well. The pre and eq are great and can be compared easily to that of the avalon. The compressor/limiter however is a little weak. I find it lacking control, it just crushes everything. I find myself using the pre and eq all the time and the compressor gets turned on twice a year.
On the whole it is a fantastic unit for the price, I am almost thinking of buying another.
Old 11th December 2008
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Don't forget your getting two channel strips for the price of one Avalon 737.
Old 20th May 2009 | Show parent
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Quote:
The preamp is a zero distortion pre. Even though it has input transformers. There's really no measurable distortion to speak of.
Peeder,

Curious about your comment on the DTC, would you compare the pres to Earthworks or DAV? Those are popular "0 distorion" pres.
Old 21st May 2009 | Show parent
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Just want to say that with all the pre's I have in my studio, I still lean towards the Mindprint DTC. It is a very flexible 2 channel strip that has a clean but pleasant character. Compressor does take a while to learn, but once you understand it, you love it.
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I have the DTC for 7 years now. I'm not a pro and don't have first hand experience with much gear/many other preamps but the DTC is simply very pure and transparent and the flagship in my homestudio. The EQ section is forgiving but you might need to dial in more than on other EQs until there are noticeable results - which I understand as 'musical'.

The compressor sounds superb IMO but sometimes even the limiter (using the comp/lim section up to the 12 o'clock setting) seems too much on some signals which some users complain about. The solution (according to a Mindprint tech) is to lower the input gain, thus running lower levels into the comp/lim section and use more master gain for make-up. That's the same working principle as with older compressors where the intensity can only be set with the input knob.

At first every microphone I put through the DTC sounded twice as good but. I find the insert loop very handy and run almost everything through the DTC, using it as an interface for inserting other EQs/compressors and for A/D conversion (with optional A/D card installed). I have 2 Groove Tubes VIPREs also. For A/D conversion, I run the VIPREs' line out into the DTC line in. I also have an Atomic Squeezebox Dual but like to also use the DTC compressor. While the ASB is much more transparent (which some find boring), the DTC adds harmonic thickness which I like very much. When recording acoustic guitars, I use the ASB while tracking and the DTC compressor for premastering.

The preamp section has an impressing 72dB gain, I had no problem amplifying an Oktava ML52 ribbon mic.

I'd wish the lo cut to sound less obviously. When recording ac. or el. guitars, I use the lo cut at a freq of about 50Hz (or lower). Apart from cleaning up the lows, this also takes away a bit from the signal. Which could be a good thing when layering tracks which have all been recorded with the DTC and the lo cut engaged to give cleaner results in the lows.

Some switches produce clicking noise while (de)activating. According to a Mindprint tech, this is normal as (most of) the switches are designed as hard bypass to keep the signal chain clean.

Last but not least the DTC is a very sexy looking unit and IMO the cosmetics are up to the sonics of this device.
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Tried the DTC --- but ended up with the DVC -- great limiter and easy to use --OTB
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another opinion about the Mindprint DTC

In my studio, the DTC continues to get used a lot- next to an Avalon 737 and a UA 610 MKII, plus a couple of Presonus VXPs- all of these preamps are very usable for various mics/applications aand are very different from eachother. But the DTC gets used often because of its super clean, musical sound (once you know how to set the compressor) and very usable hi/lo pass filters and eq section. It works really well with ribbon mics (Cascade Fatheads and Vinjet) and sounds great as a DI for bass (because of the hipass/compressor feature). It has plenty of headroom and is very versatile. Love it with Neumann 127 and 140 and Audio Technica 4081 active ribbon.

I would buy it again...
Old 24th February 2012
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and i am looking to buy a second hand AN/DI PRO... what about this one???
Old 19th May 2012
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I needed two mic pre's and Eq for live situation for two vocalist. We went with the Mindprint and we were very happy with the results. The comp did lots of help when the singers got too hot and keeping their signal in check. Many audio and non audio people liked looking at the unit. the Mindprint DTC is a great sounding 2 channel strip with a powerful Eq and helpful compressor.
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