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Old 24th June 2002
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BLUE Bottle capsules?

I have had my Bottle for a few weeks now and I'm slowly starting to get to know my two capsules, the B6 & B7 cardiods. I don't know of anyplace that keeps the various capsules lying around in stock, so I sorta have to look to others to share their experiences with the other 6 capsules. The two that I am the most interested in are the B2 Fig8 and the B4 omni, but I'd be happy to hear about all the others as well. I hope I'm not the only Bottle owner in the forum.....?

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Old 24th June 2002
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Steve

I just saw the bottle for the first time in person. Man that thing is a monster. Could you tell us a little more about your experience with the bottle? How does the "C12" capsule actually compare to a real C12? Did you run into any problems with the size of the bottle. What are you mostly using it on? Streetprice?
Old 24th June 2002
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BLUE Bottle capsules?

I just saw the bottle for the first time in person. Man that thing is a monster. Could you tell us a little more about your experience with the bottle? How does the "C12" capsule actually compare to a real C12?

I only know of one session where I got to play around with an original C12, so I am not qualified to compare C12 "sound-alikes" to the real thing. Let's just say that the two capsules that I have now have convinced me to buy two more; the B2 F8 and B4 omni.

Did you run into any problems with the size of the bottle.

I haven't found the size to be a problem yet, other than the fact that I decided it was time to buy a serious mic stand, and that actually was a problem. But I've discussed that in a couple of different threads on a variety of forums. The short answer is go to a grip supplies store and buy an Avenger lighting stand. For around $300 you can put together a rig that only a Starbird can beat (at over 3X the price) ( And if cost is no object and you want the best, for $1000 or so you could configure a stand that would support several Starbird stands 30 ft in the air!)

What are you mostly using it on?

I bought it as a primary vocal mic with the idea that the multiple capsules will allow it to work in almost any situation where any condenser might work. I haven't used it enough yet to report on non-vocal uses. I'm looking forward to everything from mono drum mic'ing to distant room mic'ing. I'm determined to try it on just about everything.

Streetprice?

Um, expensive...... Let's just say that the list price is $4-something, most dealers will let it go for $3-something, but I got lucky and got mine for $2-something due to unusual circumstances. But as a general comment, given the multi capsule capability, I would say that the Bottle should be considered possibly the "best deal" in high-end microphones.
Old 25th June 2002
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thanx Steve, great info, gotta get one to check it out.
Old 9th July 2002
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Hey Steve.
Sorry to re-activate your post, but
I may have the opportunity to buy one of these thangs at an OK but still expensive price. I just lucked out one of the old holy grail "U" thangs, and I am totally fascinated by the design of the Bottle, (I originally trained in Visual Arts and Design). From a pure design viewpoint it is an amazing "looking" piece of equipment. I am however more interested to find out if soundwise it is equally amazing.

The inter-changeable capsule idea is itself a fascinating concept.
I actually havn't seen many (like non!) "user' comments - most people seem to have gone for the lower price B.L.U.E. Range, and seem to be pretty happy. My main use for this mike would be vocals (particularly female) and accoustic guitar.


Any comments re your impressions (I'm not going to ask you is it a brilliant mic and are you happy)....but...is it a great mic and are you happy? Are you getting cool results? (Cool results being the ultimate accolade).

If you have any time to respond, 't would be much appreciated.

I understand this is the ultimate dumb question (is mic X a good mic), but I am wanting to get more opinion on this mic, as I am looking at either the Bottle (yes I know I should be listening) or "Brand Y" (also expensive - and I don't want to get into an A versus B situation here).

Reviews have generally been very positive. The only criticism I've read has related to the criticality and tightness of the proximity effect with this mic.

Kind regards
Old 10th July 2002
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Bottle Capsules

Reviews have generally been very positive. The only criticism I've read has related to the criticality and tightness of the proximity effect with this mic.
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Well, I can't speak from experience regarding all 8 capsules, but I'd say that the proximity effect is almost completely dependent of which capusule is on the mic. If you can believe the general preview for each capsule, some of them are strongly affected, others nearly neutral.

I can comment on the overall fit and finish - better than most other "boutique" brands of high end audio gear; really, really nice.

And though I have only had limited experience with the mic so far, I am very sure that I want to invest more in the mic and purchase at least two more capsules; the Fig8 and one of the omnis.

Finally, the BLUE company has been remarkably good at the whole customer service biz. I know that we all would prefer to receive that kind of attention even when we purchase the 99 cent special; but it's good to know that when you do buy the top of the line model, the company will do anything it can to make things right. (and for all I know, BLUE provides the same level of service to buyers of the Baby Bottle.)

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Old 11th July 2002
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Re: Bottle Capsules

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And though I have only had limited experience with the mic so far, I am very sure that I want to invest more in the mic and purchase at least two more capsules; the Fig8 and one of the omnis.

steve

Cool...that's what I like to hear Steve. When you've got a good thing you want more.

The Vintage v new dilemma. Reviews of the B.L.U.E.. as with other new mics,often say...yeah..well it's close..but it's got its own character. Well that's not a bad thing. It's the way that you use it in the end isn't it? What you bring to it. never thought the B.L.U.E. would be a fast food deal anyway.

Would that be the B2 capsule? I'd go for that myself. Now...where's my bank managers phone number....if I got a B.L.U.E. at my place, brand "X" for a demo, and ran them through the extremely cool micpre's I've got sitting on my desk at the moment.....

Would I be unhappy? I don't think so!!!

Thanks for your reply.

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Old 26th July 2002
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I gotta say I love the Bottle... I've had it for about 18 months and it still intrigues me everytime i break it out... I've got three of the capsules - B0, B4 and B5 - and had a chance to try out the others for awhile but i found the choices to be too many and went with the three that rocked my world from the get-go... I like the B0 on vocals, especially as the double or back voc mic, the B4 as the kit mic or room mic... also was very nice on cellos as i recall... love the B5 on acoustics...

another cool feature is the polarization knob on the psu... seems to "soften" or "tighten" it up depending on the direction you turn it...




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Old 26th July 2002
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BLUE Bottle capsules?

I've got three of the capsules - B0, B4 and B5 - and had a chance to try out the others for awhile but i found the choices to be too many and went with the three that rocked my world from the get-go... I like the B0 on vocals, especially as the double or back voc mic, the B4 as the kit mic or room mic... also was very nice on cellos as i recall... love the B5 on acoustics...
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A man with BOTH omni capsules; just the guy I've been looking for. When you've got some time, could you comment on the differences between the B4 & B5 capsules? I understand how the are constructed differently (and how the B4 costs TWICE as much as the B5, or any other Bottle capsule!!!) but I'd like to hear your impressions of how they sound.

If you had to get by with only one of the omni capsules for a year or two, which would you choose? Which one seems more adaptable to a variety of situations? Do either of them have any negative aspects? Which do you prefer for distant mic'ing or room mic'ing?

Thanks. And did you get any chance to spend much time checking out the B2 FIG8? Along with one of the omnis, the FIG8 is at the top of my "must try" list.

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Old 1st June 2016
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I am surprised this mic is not talked about more. It seems if you're going to spend money on a high end mic this is the one to buy. With its multiple capsules it's the most flexible and cost efficient mic. Unless you want a particular character for a specific mic that you know and love.
Old 3rd June 2016
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i had the opportunity to use a blue bottle a couple of years ago at the chapel studios in uk, i was recording an rock band over a long weekend utilizing their marvelous live room, the time for vocal takes to replace the guides came along and the engineer mentioned they had the bottle with all the caps so we set it up with a c12 and a u67 for shootout purposes, all three mics were run through telefunken pres, on the voice being recorded, a fairly high tenor with a punky hard edge the bottle smoked the other two mics, i didn't expect the difference to be that large but it was immediately obvious that it was completely the tool for the job that day, it was one of those moments in studio life when you know something is completely right, a little 1176 compression and we were good to go.
i would buy one of those mics if i could possibly justify the considerable outlay in a heartbeat.
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The BLUE bottle is a Marmite mic you either love it of hate I think.

I bought a BLUE bottle with B6, B7 and B0 (the vocal caps)

I honestly hated it on vocals - sold it - lost Β£1750 and bought a Wunder CM7 and have been blissfully happy ever since :-)

I did however like a lot more their BLUE KIWI and do regret selling that mic and will buy one again in the future.
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Is the Blue of today different from the Blue of 2002?

Regardless, Blue has come to signify something to me, as a "high end" microphone. I'm just not going to say what that is.
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Is the Blue of today different from the Blue of 2002?

Regardless, Blue has come to signify something to me, as a "high end" microphone. I'm just not going to say what that is.
My BLUE Bottle and KIWI where apparently made in Latvia and very beautifully crafted.

The B6 and B7 capsules (and my then KIWI) where also apparently made in Latvia (by the company now Violet mics IIRC)

I bought the B0 later from the USA.

There was a considerable difference between the manufacturing quality of the Latvian B6 and B7 than the US B0.

The Latvian capsules and the KIWI where just so beautifully made and the US B0 was clearly cheaper metal and not as refined visually - it didn't fit my Latvian Bottle properly and I had to force it on!

I really regret selling my Latvian KIWI as it was stunning. Doh.

The Bottle was a quality bit of kit, but personally I didn't care for the results.
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The BLUE bottle is a Marmite mic you either love it of hate I think.

I bought a BLUE bottle with B6, B7 and B0 (the vocal caps)

I honestly hated it on vocals - sold it - lost Β£1750 and bought a Wunder CM7 and have been blissfully happy ever since :-)

I did however like a lot more their BLUE KIWI and do regret selling that mic and will buy one again in the future.
Interesting how our experiences can be so different. I own a Wunder CM7, along with 2 Blue Bottles here.

Both are amazing mics. The bottle works great on vocals, like anything though, it's source dependent. CM7 usually doesn't work as well as the Bottle on female vocals for example. I have never got a sound out of the bottle mics that I've even remotely "hated". Used on vocals, room, spot mics for violin, cello, harp, piano, etc.

I think both are fantastic, very cool sounding mics. I would never sell either of them. I could see though that if this was for your own voice or a particular specific vocalist, how the CM7 could be a better fit.

Which preamp(s) were you using the bottle with? Maybe it just wasn't a good match?
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Interesting how our experiences can be so different. I own a Wunder CM7, along with 2 Blue Bottles here.

Both are amazing mics. The bottle works great on vocals, like anything though, it's source dependent. CM7 usually doesn't work as well as the Bottle on female vocals for example. I have never got a sound out of the bottle mics that I've even remotely "hated". Used on vocals, room, spot mics for violin, cello, harp, piano, etc.

I think both are fantastic, very cool sounding mics. I would never sell either of them. I could see though that if this was for your own voice or a particular specific vocalist, how the CM7 could be a better fit.

Which preamp(s) were you using the bottle with? Maybe it just wasn't a good match?
I did buy it for myself.

I have a bright tenor voice.

The B7 was kinda wooly sounding, the B6 very bright (almost glass like) and the B0 even brighter!

To my ear they all had this very slight gritty hard quality, I can hear the same thing in Sting's records when he's used the Bottle, I guess people hear it as "modern"

The CM7 to me has that classic wonderful reedy mid range and just sounds so open and musical.

Actually I found the BLUE KIWI be much more pleasant on my vocals.

The pre's where Focusrite, Millennia STT-1 or Dave Audio BG1.

Now I use my CM7 with a BAE 1073D and a STA Level so may that would of softened the B6 and B0 a bit.

I sold it to a friend who has talked of selling it back to me, so who knows maybe I should re-visit it with my new pre's and compressors.

The Bottle is very well built and useful for things other than vocals of course.

The bottom line is on my vocals the CM7 sounds effortless and very musical.
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I did buy it for myself.

I have a bright tenor voice.

The B7 was kinda wooly sounding, the B6 very bright (almost glass like) and the B0 even brighter!

To my ear they all had this very slight gritty hard quality, I can hear the same thing in Sting's records when he's used the Bottle, I guess people hear it as "modern"

The CM7 to me has that classic wonderful reedy mid range and just sounds so open and musical.

Actually I found the BLUE KIWI be much more pleasant on my vocals.

The pre's where Focusrite, Millennia STT-1 or Dave Audio BG1.

Now I use my CM7 with a BAE 1073D and a STA Level so may that would of softened the B6 and B0 a bit.

I sold it to a friend who has talked of selling it back to me, so who knows maybe I should re-visit it with my new pre's and compressors.

The Bottle is very well built and useful for things other than vocals of course.

The bottom line is on my vocals the CM7 sounds effortless and very musical.
Yeah, interesting. I can understand though if you didn't like it as a fit for your own voice. It's just one of those things, and it's very personal. I find the bottle/b6 is usually a great fit on most voices.

I agree about the CM7 having those qualities. When it works, it's glorious, but it's not always the best fit for the vocalist/track. Of course the same could be said for any U47 type of microphone or similar.

That's why U87's are so common. Sometimes they are the perfect match, more often not the "perfect" match. But they always sound "good" on most voices, good enough to get the job done.

I'd also note that the preamps you were using are all on the neutral to clean side. I've found the CM7 to be really nice with the Focusrite ISA series for some reason they match really well. Bottle not as much for vocals. Since the CM7 is generally bigger and darker sounding (assuming M7), I can see any of those preamps balancing out really well with it. As another example, the CM7 also pairs well with the Forssell preamps, which are definitly more in the Millenia/DAV camp.

The bottle on the otherhand could get pushed a bit more into brighter, blander territory with those preamps for vocals. On the other hand, we've used the Bottles with the GT Vipre, Avedis MA5, Heritage 1073, and vintage Neve 1084 preamps with really nice results each time.

For other instruments (orchestral, acoustic) I'll pair the Bottles often with Forssells, with great results.

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Well now I have a BAE 1073D I will get my friend to bring the Bottle I sold him over and I will give it another try - especially with my Retro STA level.

That said now I have the CM7, I'm thinking my money would be better spent on the new FLEA 251 that's apparently coming out.

My issue with the Bottle was probably one of expectation, I read too much into the BLUE marketing I stupidly thought I was getting a C12, U47 and 251 (B6,7 and 0)
Of course the caps sounded nothing like those mics and that tainted my feelings towards the Bottle instead of embracing it for just being what it was.

It sounded pretty good on other singer but honestly not as good as the CM7 (M7) I personally find my CM7 to be a very honest representation of whatever I put in front of it but with the rose tinting that a U47 ads.

My wife always comments when I record with the CM7 that the recording is very faithful to me standing there in the room, I just never got that from the Bottle caps.

The Bottle to me was a very modern "in your face sound" (especially the B6 and B0) and I can see that working well for modern R&B and EDM. The B6 sounds very etched and up front - not a great match with my bright tenor voice of course.

I do appreciate the build quality though and I have considered buying it back on the couple of times my friend has talked about selling it back to me.

It always looked amazing that's for sure.

My interest has been tweaked a bit by this thread, as I have some new pre's and compressors these days so I'd like to re-visit the Bottle experience :-)
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i am about to swap tube in the bottle mic for a telefunken ef86. will report back to see if it make a difference.

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i am about to swap tube in the bottle mic for a telefunken ef86. will report back to see if it make a difference.

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Cool, let us know!
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Yeah, interesting. I can understand though if you didn't like it as a fit for your own voice. It's just one of those things, and it's very personal. I find the bottle/b6 is usually a great fit on most voices.

I agree about the CM7 having those qualities. When it works, it's glorious, but it's not always the best fit for the vocalist/track. Of course the same could be said for any U47 type of microphone or similar.

That's why U87's are so common. Sometimes they are the perfect match, more often not the "perfect" match. But they always sound "good" on most voices, good enough to get the job done.

I'd also note that the preamps you were using are all on the neutral to clean side. I've found the CM7 to be really nice with the Focusrite ISA series for some reason they match really well. Bottle not as much for vocals. Since the CM7 is generally bigger and darker sounding (assuming M7), I can see any of those preamps balancing out really well with it. As another example, the CM7 also pairs well with the Forssell preamps, which are definitly more in the Millenia/DAV camp.

The bottle on the otherhand could get pushed a bit more into brighter, blander territory with those preamps for vocals. On the other hand, we've used the Bottles with the GT Vipre, Avedis MA5, Heritage 1073, and vintage Neve 1084 preamps with really nice results each time.

For other instruments (orchestral, acoustic) I'll pair the Bottles often with Forssells, with great results.
B3 works well on Vox as well...especially when the others don't

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Old 11th June 2016
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I am a big fan of the Blue mic's. Have several of them and they never let me know. With the Bottle having multiple capsules to choose from make it a lot more than a one trick pony.
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My issue with the Bottle was probably one of expectation, I read too much into the BLUE marketing I stupidly thought I was getting a C12, U47 and 251 (B6,7 and 0)
Of course the caps sounded nothing like those mics...
This is an interesting comment... my experience has been almost exactly opposite. In the late 90's I regularly rented a long-body U47 for tracking for roughly 5 years... GREAT sounding mic that was well maintained by a local rental co. The studio was pretty new at that time & I couldn't afford a 7.5K mic & the rental price was great.

Anyhoo... a local shop got a Bottle in (B7, B6, B0 caps) & allowed me to demo it alongside the U47. 3 different engineers (myself included) in the control room, Vocals, Ac Gtr, & Perc tracked over the course of a day into both mics in a wood room (mics used as a stereo pair & positions were swapped for comparison , or in the vox case, aligned top/bottom & swapped) & regardless of which mic went where, none of us appreciated a significant difference between the U47 & the Bottle w/ B7. Sounded like a "stereo pair"...

I bought that mic that week (I hadn't been planning on it) & have had it for the last 16 years w/ those same 3 caps. A few years back I added the B2 & B5 caps... (I freakin' LOVE the B2 on Sax) ... even bought a 2nd Bottle about a year ago for stereo room & piano mic'ing applications.

Granted, the B6 cap on either does not sound as "silky" or "airy" as the C12's I've heard... and never had an ELA/M-251 to compare to... so, I can't speak to these.

Overall, though, I couldn't be happier with the investment over the years... it's pretty hard to make something sound bad with one of these...
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This is an interesting comment... my experience has been almost exactly opposite. In the late 90's I regularly rented a long-body U47 for tracking for roughly 5 years... GREAT sounding mic that was well maintained by a local rental co. The studio was pretty new at that time & I couldn't afford a 7.5K mic & the rental price was great.

Anyhoo... a local shop got a Bottle in (B7, B6, B0 caps) & allowed me to demo it alongside the U47. 3 different engineers (myself included) in the control room, Vocals, Ac Gtr, & Perc tracked over the course of a day into both mics in a wood room (mics used as a stereo pair & positions were swapped for comparison , or in the vox case, aligned top/bottom & swapped) & regardless of which mic went where, none of us appreciated a significant difference between the U47 & the Bottle w/ B7. Sounded like a "stereo pair"...

I bought that mic that week (I hadn't been planning on it) & have had it for the last 16 years w/ those same 3 caps. A few years back I added the B2 & B5 caps... (I freakin' LOVE the B2 on Sax) ... even bought a 2nd Bottle about a year ago for stereo room & piano mic'ing applications.

Granted, the B6 cap on either does not sound as "silky" or "airy" as the C12's I've heard... and never had an ELA/M-251 to compare to... so, I can't speak to these.

Overall, though, I couldn't be happier with the investment over the years... it's pretty hard to make something sound bad with one of these...
I have an early Wunder CM7 that is very close to a U47 I have used a lot, and I had my Bottle at the same time for a while and the Bottle B7 sounded nothing like my Wunder CM7.

So yeah we have had completely different experiences.

Thinking about how much the head grill, BV8 transformer and valve type add to the sound of the capsule in the CM7 I wasn't surprised that the Bottle and B7 sounded nothing like it.

To me the B6 on the Bottle which uses a EF86 valve reminds me of a U67 on steriods and nothing at all like a C12 - I really have no idea where BLUE get their marketing concpets from!

I kinda liked the B0 for backing vocals but again to my ears it never sounded like a 251.

I have my eye on the soon to be released FLEA 251 (or so I've been told) and also a Wunder CM67.

I had on loan for a while a B1 the SDC cap and the M50 emulation cap (B4)

I actually really liked the B1 and thought it did a fantastic job of recording an acoustic guitar and percusion but that's a big body just for a SDC!

Also the B4 (M50 perspex sphere cap) I can imagine sounds fantastic as a room mic for a drum kit or as part of a Decca tree for ochestral recordings.

Personally for me a Wunder CM7, CM67 and FLEA 251 is going to make me happy in the way the B6, B7 and B0 failed but as I said it was more to do with my own personal estetic and expectations rather than there being anything worng per say with the Bottle.

The guy I sold the Bottle evey now and then offers it back to me, and if at some point the price is right I will probably buy it back because as a studio work horse it has a massive range of applications and that B6 on the right singer can sound very modern and up front for RnB and rock stuff.
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I don't quite see how Blue could claim a C12 or ELA-M251 capsule emulation using centre-terminated capsules. The physics is against you right from the get go. Also, all the Blue capsule heads seemed to have the same size and shape grille, so how you match the headgrille resonances of a C12, a 251 and a U47 when they each have different diameter headgrilles and the Blue bottle caps are all the same is beyond me. I think the best you can hope for is "something with a flavour of, or in the direction of" as opposed to actually emulating these sounds.
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I don't quite see how Blue could claim a C12 or ELA-M251 capsule emulation using centre-terminated capsules. The physics is against you right from the get go. Also, all the Blue capsule heads seemed to have the same size and shape grille, so how you match the headgrille resonances of a C12, a 251 and a U47 when they each have different diameter headgrilles and the Blue bottle caps are all the same is beyond me. I think the best you can hope for is "something with a flavour of, or in the direction of" as opposed to actually emulating these sounds.
I don't think that they have made any such claims. The bottle is its own thing, with caps voiced for various applications...
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I don't think that they have made any such claims. The bottle is its own thing, with caps voiced for various applications...
You're right. I don't think they did. They just hinted at it via their descriptions of the voicings and then dealers ran with it and made more solid claims as a result.
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I have a Bottle and I just use the B6. I have tried the B6, the B7, and the B0 and the B6 is by far my favorite. It's also my favorite modern vocal mic. I haven't compared it to vintage stuff, but I've compared it to a lot of expensive modern peers and the Bottle is the best IMO.
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I've had a long association with Blue and as mentioned they are not saying they are replications of mics, but more inspired or as a reference to certain models. I have a Bottle with B0, B6, B7 and B8 caps. I also have a Bock 251 which does have a different thing than the B0, which for me is great that I'm not doubling up somewhere. Don't let the B8 go unnoticed just because they say it's a general purpose, but is actually 414 referenced. I've used the B7 and B8 most with my Bottle Rocket Stage I. I've shyed away from getting the SDC cap (B3?), only because I have a pair of Hummingbirds, which have been rocking on acoustic guitar and percussion lately.
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🎧 10 years
There's still a bunch of caps I'd love to try! I have been using the b5 for acoustic instruments with nice results.
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