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Old 24th June 2002
  #31
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Earthworks Sigma 6.2
Best sounding monitors I have ever heard. Easiest translation and fastest mixes I have ever experienced.

Unbelievable!!!
Old 24th June 2002
  #32
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sigma

yep, the sigma's are incredible.

I had them for a week and we will get them later in the year.

They fit nice with our westlakes bbsm10's.


best,
Errol Lem
Old 25th June 2002
  #33
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happy gearsluts



its nice to know we are all so happy with our speakers ..

i am one of said krk nuts ... as a man one said ..yaaaaarrzzzzzz please

ns10's tut oh my oh my ! wiggy :eek:

well as long as i dont have to sit in front of them all day ..

tho i would like sum new speakers i keep blowing these ones

i like genis but they always cut out when u get overexited ..

what are these adams things ?
also intrested in dynaudios ..

mmm

anyone mix with valve amps ?
Old 25th June 2002
  #34
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Adam S4A-C midfield/mains & Ghetto blaster (Sony) with 2 x RCA inputs

The ghetto blaster is crucial at mixdown for me. I basicaly mix "through it"

It is also my main choice for 'ask the band' playbacks.


Hey Jules,

I've been looking real hard at the S4A's, but until now, I didn't know anyone who had a pair, everybody's got the S3A's. I need a new set of mid-fields for stereo work, and I'm not in the mood to !#@! around about it. So what do you think about the bottom end on these? I know the mids must be right because they floated the little folded ribbon thingy from the cabinet. Oh, and how far away do you keep them from you when you mix?
Thanks
R
Old 25th June 2002
  #35
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Randy,
the Earthworks Sigma's are excellent midfields. I use mine at 7".

They are spec'd flat to 40 Hz but mine measure down 1dB at 30 Hz. You should audition a pair.
Old 25th June 2002
  #36
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sdevino,

Yeah, thanks, I will try to hear a pair. I've been loving my EW mic's and Pre's for years. If the Sigma's are anything like that, they're probably real nice!
Part of what I want is a speaker that will go as low as a sub, without having to use a sub. These ADAMs, in addition to being very accurate, are spec'd to be flat to 29Hz! I don't use near-fields, but I still want the ability to be a little "inside" the mix at 7-8 feet. I've happily used 12" Tannoys for years, but, the time has come...

R
Old 2nd July 2002
  #37
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Hi 'yall...Genelec 1029's w/genelec sub..for quiet listening a pair of celestion model 3's with a little home-made 15 watt tube amp that is so absolutely flat throughout its scary......small speaks but then i dont have a big space like some of ya...just my little basement....
Old 2nd July 2002
  #38
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Mackie HR 824 and my beloved PMC MB1 for main
Old 4th July 2002
  #39
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Genelec's or KRK V88 + sub (not a huge control room!!). I like the genis, but surprising how many people don't.

Also a Sony boombox CFD-G50 (stereo miniplug in), which actually sounds pretty good and has adjustible settings for the little subwoofer on it. Bought this thing at Circuit City over a year ago -- the only one with aux input -- and was trying to replace the really bad sounding boombox that eventually gave-out, but couldn't find anything at local pawnshops. I have yet to find/make something really ****ty sounding!

Peas,
C
Old 4th July 2002
  #40
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Originally posted by ctmartin
...and was trying to replace the really bad sounding boombox that eventually gave-out, but couldn't find anything at local pawnshops. I have yet to find/make something really ****ty sounding!

Peas,
C
C,

Try this:

Dip each side of the Sony boombox in a bucket of beer (the cheaper, the better), just far enough to completely submerge each speaker, for about ten minutes. Be careful not to get the electronics very wet. Then blow dry each speaker at close range on the high heat setting, Till almost dry. Do not do anything to the sub. Put the boombox in the garage (while still moist), or other mostly concrete room, and play your local hard rock station at full volume, not quite tuned in, for about two weeks, lightly misting with (the same) beer every couple days. Cigarette and other smoke blown directly at the speakers accelerates the fermenting process.

If you're lucky, a clothes hanger or a pencil will accidently go through the grill and damage one or both of the speakers, but as far as I know, all attempts to create this effect on purpose have failed...

Hope this helps!

R
Old 4th July 2002
  #41
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Thanks, Randy!

Budweiser, Pabst, Keystone or Fosters? I'm sure each contributes their own special characteristics, but I want to make sure whatever I use will dramatically bring-out the mids. The radio thing will help break 'em in, given that the rock station plays the same 40 songs continuously each day, three of which are from the same band (you know, one of the three or four bands fronted by an angry-looking bald guy).

- C
Old 4th July 2002
  #42
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FWIW... I've been doing the majority of my mixing at ZAC in Atlanta... between the Augsburger's in the wall and the S-3A's on the meter bridge... I've been managing to come out with some pretty decent balances...

But as I've mentioned a couple thousand times... monitors are like cars and women... what works for one man will be a nightmare for another. You just have to 'shop around' until you hit on a program that works best for you...

And so it goes....
Old 4th July 2002
  #43
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Quote:
Originally posted by ctmartin
Thanks, Randy!

Budweiser, Pabst, Keystone or Fosters? I'm sure each contributes their own special characteristics, but I want to make sure whatever I use will dramatically bring-out the mids. The radio thing will help break 'em in, given that the rock station plays the same 40 songs continuously each day, three of which are from the same band (you know, one of the three or four bands fronted by an angry-looking bald guy).

- C
C,

they're all good brands, but the Bud has that extra layer of Hydroflouric acid, causing considerably more pain and rot to occur in the hi end, which is what you want, since you say you want to hear the mids more. The angry bald guy's music is actually the best to use, but beware- after a few days of him, the boombox will begin to give off a very bad stench, kind of like sour beer mixed with vomit. But this is when it sounds best, of coarse, and if you can put up with the smell in your control room, you will be rewarded with the accuracy.

Your rock station plays 40 songs? whoa, lucky you! Mine only plays 4, and they're all by that angry-looking bald guy.

R
Old 4th July 2002
  #44
Han
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NS10M nearfieldgrggt

Sony G7, big hi end speakers from the seventies. Sound like a very big NS10 with plenty of low

Studio DeSchop nearfields, very unknown, sound like Genelec's for 10% of the $

Custom built speakers with Philips 9710, very famous speaker from the 60's. The only speaker that is really "fullrange", can do 20hz-20khz, and talking about stereo image!

Harman Kardon Citation 16 amps.

Peace. Han
Old 5th July 2002
  #45
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NS10s with a sub and 1031A's.
Old 5th July 2002
  #46
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Has anyone heard the difference between a set of ADAM S3A's and the S4A's?

R
Old 12th July 2002
  #47
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned ATCs...

I have a pair of ATC SCM-50A SLMs, and oh my God do they make me smile everytime I use them. I can't truly decribe how beautiful they are, but I'll have a go!

Huge sound field with true depth, no colouration, distortion, comb filtering or any other comprise in sound for starters. They are built to a specification, not to a price. The original design brief was "make the best loudspeaker possible". Simple really.

Check them out at hhp://www.atc.gb.net Their website has gone all trendy, but they haven't finished updating it with all the content, so if you want to know more either contact them and get them to send you a brochure, or do a search on the net about them.

I am in no way affiliated with them aprat from the fact that I am an ultra happy camper whenever I'm using them, and all my dealings with the company have been amazing beyond compare.

I bought my ATCs for Β£1200 second-hand from a guy in Wales, who in turn bought them from Satellite studios in Bristol. By the time I got them they were totally ****ed. The HF units were well on their way out, midrange fuzzy, low end non-existant and the cabinets looked like they had just done a world tour with SlipKnot!

I took them to ATC and said fix 'em, don't care what it takes, just put them back to new. So they did!

When they opened up the cabs they found that some muppet had wires a fuse in series with one (only one mind you!) of the bass drivers, and the one in the other unit was out of phase! They reconed all the drivers, replaced the tweeters, recapped the amps (and replaced pretty much everything on there apart from the transformer and PCB!!) and put everything into a new set of cabinets (Actually they were seconds, rejected from new manufacture due to a fault with the finish, I can't see it!) All this they did for Β£950.

They gave them back to me saying that they were the most knackered pair that they had ever seen, but they're as good as new now..

When I need to do a sanity check and listen to music like the rest of the world I grudgingly swap over to a pair of KRK K-Roks with an S10 Sub, or a pair of Auratones. I'm thinking seriously of getting a pair of NS-10ms just to remind myself how bad they are!

\\// Peace
Old 12th July 2002
  #48
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🎧 15 years
Quested 2108's and Tannoy NFM-8's rollz
Old 12th July 2002
  #49
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Augspurger Mains with TAD components, Genelec 1031A, also NS-10, EAW & "horrortones"
Old 13th July 2002
  #50
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The Adams s3A's are a winner. Mackie's for those who are familiar with them and Little Golds w/Bryston for the 'old schoolers'. I always use the Adams now and discourage the importing of NS10s.
Old 14th July 2002
  #51
Helloooo, hey guys, up here on cloud nine.

Got the other three S3As to complete the surround set today and listened to Queen "Bohemian RAPsody" and Metallica's black album in surround, I'm still up here on cloud nine.
Old 14th July 2002
  #52
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To hell with that surround stuff, who mentioned horrortones? Can you still get them? ie refurbed, is there anything that crap (and that, erm, good) on the market today?

Love em for times when my balancing gene goes a little wonky.
Old 14th July 2002
  #53
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Dunno, I've had mine for years, and the guy I got them from had them for at least 10 years before that!!

Good question though, what's the replacement (No, not NS-10s!)

Thing I love about the Auratones is you can never mix a vocal too loud or to quiet on them...
Old 14th July 2002
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Thing I love about the Auratones is you can never mix a vocal too loud or to quiet on them...

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Exactly.
Old 15th July 2002
  #55
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all the with aurotones.......

Strangely enough they are not as harsh as my favopurite NS10's but still very good for the balancing gig.....

We have recently hooked our back up to the mono monitoring section on our console and all is sweet as... LUV em and if you cant find any more NS10's for some reason they are still available new in a new an dfunky matt/satin black finnish and a re mroe than apr replacement!. Hook them up to a really bad amp and hear he graininess... dont bother hooking them up to your bryston cos it kinda defeats the purpose.

ROCK on in Mono!!!!!

Phil Spector Lives!!

PEACE
Wiggyheh
Old 15th July 2002
  #56
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diginerd
I'm surprised no one has mentioned ATCs...



we used to have a set of ATC-50A' s setup as mains in the studio .... we ended up switching them for 1038 genelecs.


we still have a pair of atc scm20p's .... I am not a big atc fan .... they are definately good speakers but they don't work for me .... I love my dynaudio's and like to switch from time to time to the genelecs.


I think speakers are about the most important thing in a studio setup. and THE most important argument in choosing a speaker should imho at all times be : can you work on them and can you trust them.

With "can you work on them and can you trust them" I mean ..... can you rely blindly that what you hear in your room is going to sound good on whatever system you play it back on.

I have tried lots of speakers from genelec near and main / ATC near and main / westlakes near / jbl near / tannoy mid's / ...


with most of them I had something like .... oops ... be carefull with the bass, or oops .... don't go to agressive in the highs etc etc ..... because I would know that it would not sound right in my car on on my son's cheap stereo.

I worked for a while on 1031's ..... damn my mixes sounded good in the studio .... but allways some details wrong when I played them back on other systems. When I first tried out the BM15A's (dynaudio) I was like .... hmmm .... I have to work hard on these to make it sound right. Well .... in my case it ended up being the right thing .... I have to work on them to make it sound good where as the genelecs would seem easier but I blindly trust them. I know that if I can make it sound the way I want on them that it will sound right anywhere. AND .... they don't give me a headache after a long day of working.


Marc (my partner) doesn't work on the dyn's all that much .... he hardly ever uses them and mixes 80 percent of his time on the genelecs ... but it works for him. He has the same feeling with the genelecs that I have with the dyn's.


What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter if the speakers you work on are the best speakers or the most expensive speakers in the world. what does matter is that you can make your mixes sound right on them. and that you can trust them to sound good in other rooms. Once that's the case .... you're all set.


I can fully understand NS10 people. I hate them personally but I know plenty of people who are not looking foreward to switching once they can't find those damn replacements anymore.
Old 15th July 2002
  #57
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For the last few days my favorite monitor has been the mono speaker in the A80 1/4" at the back of the control room. If it doesn't sound half decent on that, well... gotta keep working at it.
Old 15th July 2002
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we still have a pair of atc scm20p's .... I am not a big atc fan .... they are definately good speakers but they don't work for me ....


The ATC SCM20 was the defacto standard speaker for classical monitoring. It is actually one of my all time favorite speaker, great mid detail and reproduction. The only problem is that they don't go down low that much, so if you know that you compensate. Its actually a great speaker for mixing pop music(that and the ProAC response one or studio 100). Again its an acquired taste, if you are use to monitors pushing your bass and mids foward than this is not the speaker for you(i think on an excitement scale I'd give it a 3.) But when it sounds right. it sounds right. I think the SCM20P are the powered version right? A little different sound, but still on the mark. There newest speaker is both powered and it has the dreaded rear port holestut . So they hype the bass like most common powered monitors speakers do(wack!!!). That's actually what gave the ATC their unique sound, no port holes, just what you hear is what you get.
Old 15th July 2002
  #59
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Quote:
Originally posted by C.Lambrechts



I worked for a while on 1031's ..... damn my mixes sounded good in the studio .... but allways some details wrong when I played them back on other systems. When I first tried out the BM15A's (dynaudio) I was like .... hmmm .... I have to work hard on these to make it sound right. Well .... in my case it ended up being the right thing .... I have to work on them to make it sound good where as the genelecs would seem easier but I blindly trust them. I know that if I can make it sound the way I want on them that it will sound right anywhere. AND .... they don't give me a headache after a long day of working.
That's pretty much the way I feel about my Dynaudios - I trust them to sound like it will in the real world. And I'll do low resolution checks on Tannoy 6.5's.
Old 22nd July 2002
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Originally posted by ctmartin
Thanks, Randy!

Budweiser, Pabst, Keystone or Fosters?

- C
Is Foster's really in the same league as these other beers, I just bought a 12 pack 'cause it was on sale for $8, and I haven't had in a year or two. But, now I'm wondering if I should've picked up the Pilsner Urquell instead.


Maybe I'll just head to the fridge....
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