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What recording format is everybody using?
View Poll Results: What format...?
ProTools
111 Votes - 44.22%
Other DAW
100 Votes - 39.84%
Nuendo
22 Votes - 8.76%
Hard drive based HDR (Tascam MX2424, Mackie HDR, Alesis HDR, Fostex etc.)
27 Votes - 10.76%
Tape based DMT (DA88/ADAT)
13 Votes - 5.18%
Fairlight / Euphonix
3 Votes - 1.20%
Analog 2"
36 Votes - 14.34%
Digital multitrack (Sony/Mitsubishi)
1 Votes - 0.40%
RADAR
13 Votes - 5.18%
Mixer/recorder combos Roland, Fostex, Akai, Yamaha etc.
1 Votes - 0.40%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

Old 12th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs


Try again. You can't do that unless you don't need to generate a cue mix. The play head is usually about 1/2 a second away from the record head which means that what the musicians hear will be a 1/2 second or so behind when they play it. The only way that can work is to have the band track without headphones or any kind of cue mix.

Not quite following your logic, Jay. The band is receiving a cue mix from the console, not tape or PT... The lag in repro is irrelevant.

As for punches, its a fairly simple thing to roll ahead on PT, record the new section and drop it into place after the fact. Easier than nailing a punch on most analog decks, and "tweakable."

Seems perfectly logical to me.

Sincerely,
Old 12th July 2002
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As for punches, its a fairly simple thing to roll ahead on PT, record the new section and drop it into place after the fact. Easier than nailing a punch on most analog decks, and "tweakable."

Just to be perfectly clear, (as I mentioned in my original post), the statement above is in regard to tracking <basics> with the band. Not overdubs, stacks, solos or vox, etc.

I don't punch the whole band in all that often and the aforementioned 'workaround' would be employed on the rare occasion I do need to punch.

Just trying to clarify,
Old 14th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by blackcatdigi

Not quite following your logic, Jay. The band is receiving a cue mix from the console, not tape or PT... The lag in repro is irrelevant.

As for punches, its a fairly simple thing to roll ahead on PT, record the new section and drop it into place after the fact. Easier than nailing a punch on most analog decks, and "tweakable."
No no. It's quite relevant. Have you ever used or seen a professional 3-head analog tape deck? I'll try and explain it. The tape moves over the heads from left to right. First it hits the erase head, then the record or synch head and finally the repro head. The heads are usually spread over 6" or so with maybe a 1/4 to 1/2" space between them. At 15ips that translates to roughly a half second.

So, if your tracking a band on 2" the way you said then the signal is going like this;

Mic > preamp > 2" synch head > 2" play head > DAW > console > back to muso. How is there not going to be a noticable latancey? The gap between the heads on the 2" deck is going to add about a 1/2 second on it's own. While this isn't the best pic of a headstack you can kind of see them.
Old 14th July 2002
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Instead of dealing with the hassle. Why noy just record to 2" and Transfer to Pro-Tools.
Old 14th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs


No no. It's quite relevant. Have you ever used or seen a professional 3-head analog tape deck? I'll try and explain it. The tape moves over the heads from left to right. First it hits the erase head, then the record or synch head and finally the repro head. The heads are usually spread over 6" or so with maybe a 1/4 to 1/2" space between them. At 15ips that translates to roughly a half second.

So, if your tracking a band on 2" the way you said then the signal is going like this;

Mic > preamp > 2" synch head > 2" play head > DAW > console > back to muso. How is there not going to be a noticable latancey? The gap between the heads on the 2" deck is going to add about a 1/2 second on it's own. While this isn't the best pic of a headstack you can kind of see them.
This is so funny, I realize now there are engineers who have never worked on an analog machine!

I once made a mistake with recording some backing vocals while the machine was in repro mode, with a nice "latency" as a result.

So you put the tape backwards on the machine and "ping pong" to an other track and the backing vox is "aligned"
Old 15th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Han

I once made a mistake with recording some backing vocals while the machine was in repro mode, with a nice "latency" as a result.
I've done that once or twice. The last time was when I had a singer doing vocals in the control room and no one was wearing headphones. Oops. At least it was only a punch-in and I caught it really quick. I love when people ask where the undo button on the deck is and being able to say that there is no undo, only redo so go out there and play it right!!! rollz
Old 20th July 2002
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If I can, I'll start and finish a project on tape. For me it's not a question of whether analog or digital "sounds better" but the fact that analog tape just makes it so easy to get that sound. 16-track is a big favorite. I'll put as much as I can on tape, and then either lock up a 24-track and make slaves, or transfer into a DAW and go from there. Or just keep it at or under 16 tracks. It depends on what the machines the studio has (of course), and what kind of project it is (of course).

For the digital stuff I always used PT but just recently I put together a new system running Logic on a dual gig G4, with the RME 9652 interface and UA "Powered Plugins" card. The convertors are 24 channels of Lucid ADA 8824s (which sound wonderful) and a Crane Song HEDD-192 (which sounds even better). So far I've used it on a few projects (actually using DP3 on one) and I'm thrilled. This stuff sounds so great at 44.1 and 48 I couldn't care less about the higher-sampling-rate-debate (I don't know what I'll do if I get an outside project in at 96k though...)

As good as the new rig sounds, I'll still keep a record on tape if I can. It's just so damn easy, and it feels real. Like there's something physical there. You push it and it pushes back. I'll even gleefully cut tape, if there are a few edits to do, rather than go into DAW mode (I love seeing the looks on the faces of young band members when the razor blades come out--"you're going to cut the tape?!!")

I'm not at all interested in being any kind of luddite or analog purist or tape snob or anything. I pretty much go with whatever's easiest and suits the project best.

-chad

(by the way, I'm new here and digging this board a lot...)
Old 21st July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Han

I once made a mistake with recording some backing vocals while the machine was in repro mode, with a nice "latency" as a result.
So you put the tape backwards on the machine and "ping pong" to an other track and the backing vox is "aligned"
LOL, I used to deal with a studer remote at this one studio that would 'mystically', in front of your eyes decide to go into all repro. (we even nicknamed the remote masterbater). After this scenario happened to me TWICE, and a couple trips back & forth to the tech shop, somehow someone 'accidentally' spilt a coke into it.
Old 23rd July 2002
  #39
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I'm guessing that it was pretty "fixed" after the Coke incident?
Old 20th November 2009 | Show parent
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51% PT and 20% tape in 2002.
Did things change in the last 7 years?
I believe it is slightly less PT (35-40%) and much less tape (10%)
Old 20th November 2009
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Originally Posted by mwagener ➑️
What recording format is everybody using? You can vote on more than one format. The categories are in no particular order.

Let me know if I forgot to list a format.
Since when is a DAW a "format"? What are you trying to survey? Tape vs DAW? ProTools vs the rest? devices? a little bit of everything?
Old 20th November 2009 | Show parent
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ProTools, Nuendo, and Other DAW? I understand there are too many of them out there to try and list every single one, but there are a few more that are too commonly used to get lumped in the "other" pile. Logic for one - I'm a long time ProTools user who made that jump and I love it.
Old 20th November 2009
  #43
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Stupid polls. I clicked the wrong one.

Mostly REAPER, but Pro Tools when I am forced to.
Old 20th November 2009 | Show parent
  #44
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So much for the resurrection of 7 year old polls.

This place had about 1/50th of the membership it has now... Nothing's changed here since then.

2" all day long for tracking(provided the band can perform their own music).

'Cause
we
can.


And it rocks like a mofo.

SM.
Old 20th November 2009 | Show parent
  #45
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Samplitude became my first choose after using Cubase and PTLE.
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Wow. I must've missed this way back when so I'll respond a bit late!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Kahrs ➑️
No no. It's quite relevant. Have you ever used or seen a professional 3-head analog tape deck? I'll try and explain it. The tape moves over the heads from left to right. First it hits the erase head, then the record or synch head and finally the repro head. The heads are usually spread over 6" or so with maybe a 1/4 to 1/2" space between them. At 15ips that translates to roughly a half second.
Thanks for the excellent description! As my recording experiences in the studio began around 1976, I actually do have a pretty good understanding of how professional 3-head analog tape decks look, work and sound. Never used a wire recorder, though!

Quote:
So, if your tracking a band on 2" the way you said then the signal is going like this;

Mic > preamp > 2" synch head > 2" play head > DAW > console > back to muso. How is there not going to be a noticable latancey? The gap between the heads on the 2" deck is going to add about a 1/2 second on it's own. While this isn't the best pic of a headstack you can kind of see them.
That would be a nasty delay! It would probably work alot better to just buss all the inputs directly to their cue mixes as opposed to the rather lengthy round trip you propose. Their mix is real time and I don't really mind the delay in the CR. Everybody's happy!

Sorry for the belated response!
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Wow - totally missed the original date on this thread. That explains a lot.....my bad.
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Happy with Logic and Pro Tools
Old 21st November 2009
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How exactly do you vote in these polls?

Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious!

-Ben B
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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How exactly do you vote in these polls?

Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious!

-Ben B
Never mind. I wasn't logged in, so the voting options didn't show up.

-Ben B
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Interesting, does anyone use today hard drive based HDR (Tascam MX2424, Mackie HDR, Alesis HDR, Fostex etc.) or tape based DMT (DA88/ADAT) ?
They counted for almost 20% those days
Old 21st November 2009
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Originally Posted by mwagener ➑️
Let me know if I forgot to list a format.
DSD.
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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DSD.
Was DSD as format available back in the year 2002?
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Was DSD as format available back in the year 2002?
Yes, but it was not prevalent.

DSD was patented in 1991 and was the format used for (among other things) SACD’s which were marketed from the late nineties.

However my response was not so much offered as a criticism of the selection included in the original poll, but to add DSD into the discussion now, as it seems to be gaining increasing acceptance.
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by bbgallaway ➑️
Wow - totally missed the original date on this thread. That explains a lot.....my bad.
It's OK to click on the poll, but you have to select the answer of what you were using in 2002!
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by GYang ➑️
Interesting, does anyone use today hard drive based HDR (Tascam MX2424, Mackie HDR, Alesis HDR, Fostex etc.) or tape based DMT (DA88/ADAT) ?
They counted for almost 20% those days
I've (mostly) switched from Mackie HDRs (with a CS Spider on the front end) to Radar V, mixing on an Elite II. I still sometimes use the Mackies - digitally connected to the Radar for ADDA - for the additional editing features and virtual tracks.


Scott
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
  #57
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Originally Posted by joeq ➑️
It's OK to click on the poll, but you have to select the answer of what you were using in 2002!
Certainly wouldn't have been REAPER, since it just turned 4 a couple days ago.
Old 21st November 2009 | Show parent
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Can someone please explain to me why logic was not put on the list?
Old 22nd November 2009 | Show parent
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Can someone please explain to me why logic was not put on the list?
Logic is so 2001...
Old 23rd November 2009 | Show parent
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Record on a NAGRA VI, edit on Sequoia 11. heh
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