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No try .... No buy .... ???
Old 10th June 2002
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No try .... No buy .... ???

This one's is about trying out expensive goodies before buying them. Stuff like compressors / pre's / FX / .... outboard in general / speakers ..... etc etc ...

My policy is a simple one .... for high end stuff it is try first .... then buy ....

No try .... definately NO buy.


To further clarify .... TRY means try it out at least a couple of days at the studio .... not in a showroom or a store or at anither studio .... I HAVE to listen to it in my farmiliar environment.


Sometimes (and in Belgium even more then sometimes ....) this is a problem though. Not all "goodies" have local dealers to begin with ... and even if there is a dealer .... often stock / demo units are a problem.

In most cases trade shows like aes for example can be helpfull with this. You establish contacts and you can arrange something ....

Or it is good to stay good friends with other studio's .... borrow stuff ... return favours etc etc ...


In the past I have for example agreed to pay for the unit .... have it sent to me .... try it out .... and get a refund when I didn't end up keeping it. But it can be a hassle this way .... you still end up paying for the transports AND insurance for that transport .... and with high end expensive toys the bill runs up quite fast ....
PLUS ... you end up worrying that something might go wrong. touch wood 'cause nothing ever did up till now ....


thoughts ????
Old 10th June 2002
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Hi Chris,

I fully agree with you. I'm in Dublin and that means everything has to come from the UK. I'm getting tired of buying gear on the strength of a mag revue, I just don't trust them anymore. Some time ago I read about a Trident A Range module which was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. I bought one straight away because I was a big fan of old Tridents. Anyway, the first module had major hum on both outs. Very disapointing! I had to pay for shipping back to UK and they fixed it.

A month ago, another problem arose. More hum! Manufacturer implies that I may not be using the unit properly javascript:smilie('')
. Again I pay for shipping and indeed there is a PSU problem. I had'nt used the unit ten times in total.

Anyway, I suppose if you build up a good relationship with a dealer he will let you try before you buy. I must recommend Funkyjunk in London. Excellent service. I have a Sony 880g and a Neumann M149 on the way this week for trial as I'm always on the trail of the ultimate vocal mic.

That is one of the great things about this forum. At least sensible opinions can be 'heard'.
Old 10th June 2002
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I can hear you ....

and yes .... a good relationship with the dealer is a BIG plus. once a confidence is build it get's much easier indeed.

the ultimate vocal mic ... AHHHHH .... my U47 with VF14 tube in it ..... heh heh heh NOPE ... NOT for sale .... grggt grggt

(although it is singer depended .... but for most it works ....)
Old 10th June 2002
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Chris, I hate to admit this but I sold my U47 (with a spare VF14!) a month ago. I just found that it was too dull. I had done everything in my power, including having it serviced by Martin Gathard at Sennheiser. Maybe mine just was a Monday morning mic but I am hoping the Sony 800 (or indeed the 149) will be the answer to my problems. BTW, I am using Massenburg mic pres.
Old 10th June 2002
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I was daydreaming of swapping my M149's for 2 x KM86's and that raved about Soundeluxe 251. Presently I use em on toms & lead vocals..



I cant buy, but I am keen to 'swap around' certain items... That said the track I just mixed had a majestic tom sound.... so.... forget what I just said



re trying stuff out..

I dunno, you guys out in the 'boonies' (away from a big city) might look into a yearly trip to a trade fair like the September AES, in the US or a big show in your home country... Deals can be made with manufacturers, who can be sympathetic to your plight AND impressed that you made the effort to make it all the way to the show to meet them..

Each of the last AES I have attended have netted deals on gear that 'paid for the trip' (and more to be honest)

Perhaps we can go into "how to schmooze a manufacturer at a trade show"

I am happy to give lessons!

heh
Old 11th June 2002
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🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by Daire Winston

Some time ago I read about a Trident A Range module which was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. I bought one straight away because I was a big fan of old Tridents. Anyway, the first module had major hum on both outs. Very disapointing! I had to pay for shipping back to UK and they fixed it.

A month ago, another problem arose. More hum! Manufacturer implies that I may not be using the unit properly javascript:smilie('')
. Again I pay for shipping and indeed there is a PSU problem. I had'nt used the unit ten times in total.

Well, the EQ does sound like an A range to me, and the preamp section is pretty close. But you can't really blame Malcolm Toft for either the problems or the preamp diferences - his 'partner' in the endeavor wanted to to put his own stamp on the unit. And once the PS situation is straightened out, you should like it just fine

(Yeah, I have one, too. And I had to get it fixed right after I bought it. And there is still a slight ground hum on one side...)
Old 11th June 2002
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I know I have the same prob everytime I look at buying stuff in OZ.
The guy who is doing Great River here, went from I will be getting the NV pre in a few weeks to if you buy it I will get it shipped and it will be here in a few weeks or a month.
The cranesong flamingo turned up 2 months after I did a pre shoot out with what was around and got a UA and 9098.
I understand there is not enough sales of hi-tech to keep stock upto date in OZ. If I ship form the US with a return policy, I do not only pay shipping both ways but have to pay 10% GST TAX if I return it.

Ahhhh I did pickup a S/H drawmer 1969 from US$1500 which was cool as when I was looking at the 1969 months before, the distributor did the buy to try thing, so I did not do it for US$3200, so I was happy with my secondhand almost new purchase for half that.
Old 11th June 2002
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Jules is right, you need to find a good dealer who will work with you. Around here there are plenty of pro shops in NYC which is great. Guitar Center OTOH sucks. A few months ago I wanted to try a Blue Kiwi and I called up Blue and talked to Skipper and Jon over there. When I went into GC (one of two dealers in the NYC area at the time) they said well you can buy it but you can't return it. WTF?

I argued with the store manager for a half hour and made the point that anyone can pick up a guitar and try it for a few hours and then return it if they don't like it. But, I'm stuck with a $2000 mic that I can't try? He said that I could demo it in the store which we all know isn't the same. Eventually he gave in and agreed to let me demo the mic for 48 hours on the condition that I pay for the whole thing and they'd refund my money if I didn't like it. On the day I was supposed to pick it up he wasn't there and the sales weasel said they would never agree to that. It was a mute point as they were supposed to get the mic from another store and it never happened. Needless to say I won't be buying anything but strings and drum heads from them in the future.
Old 11th June 2002
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At the Guitar Mart near me, the Assistant Manager is a good friend. I recorded a full length and an EP for his old band and did a bunch of live work/regional touring with them as well. He allows me a good deal of leeway in gear demo situations like Jay described. I don't think I would get quite as much help as I do without my 'man on the inside'; however, the employees in Jay's story sound like a bunch of assholes. I've never encountered anything quite that bad here.

- Jon
Old 12th June 2002
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GC sites health issues with their crock-o-**** return policy on "vocal" mic's... they equate it to returning a Harmonica or a pitch pipe (do they even make these any more?). They do the same thing with magnetic head recording devices, only it's the "wear and tear" excuse on these.

They do the "Pray as you pay" thing.

dfegad
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