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Old 8th June 2002
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Where can I get a Radar?

I have heard alot of good things about them! Where can I check them out and what do they go for?

Peace & Dreams!
Old 8th June 2002
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you can get one from izcorp.com
I get mine tomorrow!smokin
you can see prices on their site.
Old 8th June 2002
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Hello Mike, nice to hear from you after all this time! Thank you for the info, I will certainly check them out!

Peace & Dreams!
Old 8th June 2002
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smokin
Old 12th June 2002
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So what do you think about the Radar Mike? Just curious.
Old 13th June 2002
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Mercenary carries the Radar stuff...

http://www.mercenary.com/iztechnologies.html
Old 14th June 2002
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Dang, that **** is expensive. I was not considering a $12,000 system. Oh well, maybey next year!
Old 14th June 2002
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You can get the radar project system for 6k and upgrade to the super cool converters later. You cant get the tascam with analog IO for any cheaper plus the classic converters on the project sound better then the tascam.
I'll be getting the project system in the next couple months to go along with my new board. smokin.... hopefully
Old 15th June 2002
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I've had a Radar24 for almost 2 years and it and the Sony DMX are the 2 most reliable pieces of gear I've ever owned. It's worth the extra money.
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Old 15th June 2002
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I'm just getting used to RADAR. so far I have a love/hate relationship.
I love the sound, feel, look, but am having a hard time with some editing funtions. and the fact that most edits/slides/moves/erasing is destructive/permanent (old PT habits die hard) the lack of playlists as we know it.
but the converters I am in love with (nyquist 96k).
Old 15th June 2002
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Yea, it's not a "oh well we'll pick which take later" kind of thing. It's a get it right and move on kind of thing. It's got to match your style.
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Old 15th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by drew
Yea, it's not a "oh well we'll pick which take later" kind of thing. It's a get it right and move on kind of thing. It's got to match your style.
drew
And that's why I'm considering a Radar for my room - I don't want to have to edite between takes later - I'd rather make the decisions as I go.
Old 15th June 2002
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What does everybody think of the Tascam MX-2424?

It won the TEC award at the AES convention over Radar, Fairlight Merlin and Mackies HDR.

I am a single individual who runs and performs/produces everything. I believe the Radar is too in depth in an area that perhaps the Tascam could provide an easier solution?

After all, lets face it gentalmen, there are alot of pieces to that Radar Rig and I am going from 8 track analog to 24 track digital for the first time, so I want to keep it simple, but Professional!

What would be the pick of choice between these units:

1. Tascam MX-2424
2. Mackie HDR,MDR (I do not use a computer at this time)
3. Alesis HD 24

I really need to make a move by August, so I have some time!
Old 15th June 2002
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I must disagree. The Radar is actually simpler and definitely more stable than the MX. It has built in video, no need for a computer to see waveforms. It has a real remote ($1200 of course). The only area the MX is better is in file format compatability but even that is quickly changing. I must also admit a negative bias towards Tascam since my DA-30 was a POS, so was my cassette deck and trying to mix a record on a M3700? forget it!! my 2 cents.
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Old 15th June 2002
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The mx2424 with analog I/O (around 1600 last i checked) will run you around the same price as the radar project, and the project's converters sound better. Plus the project comes with more space for storage where as the tascam you'll have to buy some more external stuff.

One of the main reasons tascam won that award was because at the time they were the only company that had an easy way to export to pro tools, which you wont need.

Just keep in mind, I dont like the tascam so take everything with a grain of salt. I've been to a couple demos of it, and it just seems like a hassle to work with, especially the editing. To me radar is the ONLY way to go in a hard disk recorder. Its going to be closest thing to having a tape machine.
Old 15th June 2002
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Amen Red! You have just put me out of the Tascam setting and into The Radar fire!

O.K. , so tell me, what would a basic sytem go for aprox with all the truly needed extras, like meter bridge and remote. i assume there is no on board controls like the other HDs.

Can someone do the math. I know there are different packages, what are they and what do they include hardware wise?

I want to go for the longer haul on this and do not wish to make a change in the next couple of years, so the right decision is vital!

Please list price figures and explain the computer screen part!

Old 16th June 2002
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TEC awards? I dfegad on the TEC awards. They've given awards to vaporware with not even a working prototype available (although the design departments did have some pretty mockups of actual gear . . .).

If you're worried about being out of your depth, skip the Tascam. It has its supporters, but it is not an intuitive system to navigate. The Radar is probably the best option for someone who wants to run an HDR just as they would a tape deck, but it does also afford some editing power, just not as much as most DAW's.

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Old 16th June 2002
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From Pulp Fiction : "**** Negro, that's all you had to say!"

Seriously, I am sold! I will be looking into this imediatly.

As close to a tape machine is just what I need!

Cheers!
Old 17th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mad John
O.K. , so tell me, what would a basic sytem go for aprox with all the truly needed extras, like meter bridge and remote. i assume there is no on board controls like the other HDs.
Call Samara Krugman at our office (+1) 508-543-0069... she's a wizard at configuring these things so you don't end up with more stuff than you actually need... [sorry about the commercial nature of this post... but you asked].
Old 17th June 2002
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iZ has a toll free number and they make the stuff, call them, they won't bite.
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Old 17th June 2002
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Thank you gentalmen, I will look into it. I believe it is the only way to go. Thanks Fletcher.
Old 26th June 2002
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Mad John-

Did you do it?

If money is an issue go with the Classic. Totally updgradable. If your looking for the closest thing to a tape machine, this is it.

In looking at the iZ site you might think that it would cost you 4000 to later upgrade to Nyquist or 6000 to upgrade to Snyquist converters. Not so.

From the home page click on any of the products. Down toward the bottom of the page, just above the pdf's of the different packages there is a link on the left side of the page for the complete price list that makes it clear that iZ offers "upgrade" pricing for the converters above at about 1/2 the cost.

I would highly recommend Mercenary.com. GREAT service. They probably already told you all this stuff.

Once in a while you will see one Ebay. But that of course has implications you may not want to deal with ESPECIALLY if you are not familiar with Radar's models, history, etc.
Old 27th June 2002
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Hello Mike and welcome to this board!

I will be contacting Mercenary audio in a week or so.

I am extremly busy putting my studio together while at the same time, recording an album (1/2 8 track!)

Thanks for your respoce, I will let you know more when I look into the matter.

Cheers,
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