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Old 29th March 2019
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I joined the club. Unfortunately.

Hello Dear Members,

Last week I was so excited. I got myself some new software and was working on my new track that was on it's final straight becoming finished. A project that has been under work for a long time. As real pain in the rear.

I've studied mixing, mastering, learning to use my new software and synths. This was the track I really put everything on it. I wanted to evolve. Get at the next stage. I have learned so much creating this track, except...how to protect my hearing I guess.

I have never listened loud. Not louder than what normal speech is, never above 85db. But I did some long hours. Last week I did over 30 hours in 3 days. As I said, I was excited. I've done such days before. Never a problem.

But now...When woke up last saturday. I felt something was off. I had this strange high pitched (over 10k) ringing in my ears. I got Tinnitus.

I've been resting my ears for a week now, but I has not gotten away. I am also very sensitive so certain sounds, like microwave beeps etc. and my ears start to hurt and ring even more if I listen to something, even at very low volumes.

What is still strange is, I can hear 15k sounds. I am 35 years old so that is normal. I am going to get my hearing examined next week, but I guess it's the normal one just reaching 8khz.

But I am so angry at myself. WHY did I have to do such long hours?! Why on earth?! I am really baffled why I got tinnitus now. I've been on clubs, I've been on concerts, never had my ears ringing. Never. I've done long mixing sessions before. Never an issue. Ever.

Oh, I did have sinusitis also during that time. But i've never had tinnitus before.
also i've never had ear pain like this. It's like my ear drum is sore.

Why now?

I was mixing on high frequency area few days. I was EQ:ing synths, hihats and so on. And as I am still learning, it took me some more time than I thought.

But I am still angry. Last year I got 3 tracks released officially, I finally got my spotify account, logo for myself. Things looked great. Maybe I finally could get my "career" started. It's been a dream for me ever since I started back in 2000's.

How on earth am I supposed to cope with this? I went out for a walk, I stopped. I wanted to hear the forest. I couldn't. Not anymore. All I hear is this white-noise/whining.

Doctor said, "there is really nothing we can do".

I even checked the volume levels few days ago. Speakers don't go over 80db. When using headphones I can still hear my own voice and even TV if it's on next room. I have semi-open headphones DT 880 Pro. I've been doing music with them for years.

I did got my new monitor speakers, Adam T5V, last xmas. But what i've read is that monitors are easier for ears than headphones and I only check my mixing levels with them. I don't do mixing all the time with them since they are close to me (ikea malm desk. not much room...)

I am so angry at myself. I've been trying to protect my hearing for my whole life. And done pretty good job with it. Now I am safe at my house and destroy my ears.

I am very worried I cannot do music anymore since my ears start to hurt even if i flush toilet or go into shower. Mixing is most likely out of the question.

But my ears are busted anyway. Music sounds like c..rap. Every music. They sound flat, no energy, a mess.

Anyone else here who have messed up their ears during mixing? I could really need some encouragement.

I don't wish this for even my worst enemy. This is a nightmare. Nights are the worst. I have slept 20 hours in last 4 days.
Old 30th March 2019
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Hey - firstly, you're going to be OK.

Chances are, your tinnitus has been sitting there dormant for a long time, it's just that your brain was never aware of it like it is now. If you have been safe with your hearing your whole life, I don't see why these three days of mixing at reasonable levels would result in tinnitus.

I first noticed my tinnitus while on the couch with my partner, when she asked if I could hear a high pitched noise coming from outside. I listened for it, heard something in my head instead, and it has not gone away since

For context, I played loud music all through my teens and most of my 20's and I protected my hearing properly for maybe half of that. I went to loud shows, listened to music at high volume with headphones, lived in a city center full of noise etc etc. As my engineering career developed, I started to take more care - especially around my mid 20's. I was still mixing for 8+ hours a day, but started to bring the volume right down. So when I noticed my tinnitus at 30, I was upset because I was finally looking after my hearing. Why now?

Like I say, I think it has always been there - it just took a while to notice it.

Honestly it has been a pretty difficult time since then but I am learning to live with it. My hearing tests are perfect, I can still hear into the stratosphere compared to others, I'm still working, people still hire me and think my stuff sounds great.

You're gonna be ok, you've gotta remember that. If anything, the tinnitus made me a better engineer. I'm more calculated and care more now about how something sounds than ever before.

One last thing - the sensitivity to sounds, it's called hyperacusis. You have that right now because you're obsessively listening out for a change in your tinnitus. Your brain is working overtime with sound. That will end soon.
Old 30th March 2019
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It's really easy to lose your hearing when exposing yourself to loud SPLs, and unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it once it's gone.

What I suggest to do moving forward to to readjust and adapt your life to what your differences are that you are experiencing in the present.

Of course it will be difficult, but seeking professional help from a qualified individual on mental issues you may have might be a good idea, and not silly at all.

Anyways hope everything works out well,

Cheers
Old 30th March 2019
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From someone with significant hearing loss and severe tinnitus for years...I hope you get better. Mine is from 42 years in construction plus loud music and is my unwanted constant companion. As the other good folks here have suggested, yours will probably diminish. Hang in there!
Old 30th March 2019
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Thank you for answers @ SKS @ foxwaves and @ rezident

I wrote here because my family or doctor do not understand this at all. I am the only one in my family making music.

Only reason I can think is that my audio systems have been too loud. I did long hours for few days = not enough rest for ears and body, and I was doing some high-frequency mixing, sweeping frequency bands for bad sounds and trying to make my bassline sit better into the mix. you know the drill. Because i've never heard this tinnitus this loud before and this time it is loud. So loud I cannot even sleep at night.

Few nights ago I woke up and it sounded like someone was blasting high-pitched noise straight into my ear. It lasted for 5 seconds, my brains woke up and then it got much more silent. It was a strange sensation.

What annoys me the most is when I hear any sounds, my ears start to hurt. It feels like a cat inside my ear clawing or someone poking needles at my eardrum and then this burning sensation. Feels like someone pours acid in my ear.

Sometimes my left ear feels normal. And sometimes the tinnitus is switching between ears. But I feel physical pain, and feels like my ears are blocked all the time. And if I listen TV or something, even at low volumes, the tinnitus gets much, much louder.

But I guess, all I can do now is wait. I need to let my ears rest but I will not use ear plugs, since I read that they can make my ears even more sensitive to sounds.

This is really something I could have avoided. I know I did long hours and I felt tired, but I could still hear my EQ-changes and overall everything sounded fine. Tired, but fine. So I though "i do this one more thing and then I stop and continue tomorrow"

Thank you for the support. My problem is that I already suffer from depression now and then (cyclothymia) and sleep is very important for my mental health, more than for normal person. And I am seriously stressed If I have to live with this sound for the rest of my life.

It's been exactly week now. And things have not improved much. At least my directional hearing has come back. Last sunday I went for a walk in to the forest and I honestly started crying because I could not hear the direction the birds were singing. So I guess I did some major damage to my ears. Even though the volume levels were not blasting loud. But my monitor speakers are at 1m away from my position (3 feet) just like instruction manual said they can be set. Since I have small room where I produce my music.

Oh well. The damage is done and now I need to find a way get trough this. Rest for now. As much as I can...
Old 30th March 2019 | Show parent
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Sorry to hear about your situation Strife. I think it is very likely that you have got/had an ear infection, especially as you mentioned pain and sinus problems. I am not a doctor but I have read that sometimes steroids can help, maybe try a specialist doctor.
I had an episode very similar to yours some years ago, just woke up with bad tinnitus and an ear that felt blocked. It took me about 3 months to get used to the initial situation and I really struggled with music at that time (i am a professional musician) but after about 6 months the tinnitus had gone away about 80% but I am still quite sensitive to loud noises even 5 years later. Even somebody clapping their hands too close can hurt sometimes. I now use proper musician moulded ear plugs for all loud situations and in general play and listen to music quieter than before. My ears will never be like they were but they are 90% back to normal now. So don’t despair, you almost certainly will be able to enjoy making music again. Take good care of your hearing and visit a specialist doctor right away.
Old 30th March 2019
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It could be sudden hearing loss, it qualifies as a medical emergency, I had it, went to ER, got steroids injected and it helped right away. Just don't wait too long, don't ignore it, go to a doctor right away! Good luck!
https://familyhearing.org/blog/sudde...s-an-emergency
Old 30th March 2019
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To the OP, are you sure it's tinnitus and not something related to stress? Any headaches, tension in the jaw and/or neck? You've been putting in long hours and stressing over this particular track, so I wouldn't rule that out.
Old 30th March 2019
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Don't worry about it, it's all manageable. I haven't thought about/heard my tinnitus in weeks, but can hear it clearly right now that I'm thinking about it. It's always there, I just don't hear it when I'm not thinking about it. That's hard to realize and embrace at first, but right now you're probably stressing over it and that's "amplifying" it. Move on with your life and you’ll manage just fine.

Here are a few things to try that have helped me:
  • Notch therapy - Listening to music that has an EQ notch at your tinnitus frequency. Helps me a lot. I figured out where my frequency is and use an app called Equalizer on my iPhone to listen to my song collection with that frequency cut out. I use headphones and not too loud.
  • Avoiding alcohol and caffeine - Everyone is different but experiment with a few weeks without these, then have them again to see if there’s a difference.
  • Medication - Of course, don’t make changes without talking to your doctor but some prescription meds I’ve taken trigger my tinnitus in a big way.
  • Relax/Massage - Muscle stress in the neck/jaw is a trigger for me. If you bite down at night or when you're concentrating, a dental night guard can help.

..ant
Old 30th March 2019 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by M.Retra ➡️
To the OP, are you sure it's tinnitus and not something related to stress? Any headaches, tension in the jaw and/or neck? You've been putting in long hours and stressing over this particular track, so I wouldn't rule that out.
It's tinnitus allright. I have never stressed that much as I have no deadlines etc. and my ears have physical symptoms (pain, feeling blocked) and I was doing long hours. No headaches etc. I am going to hearing test next week.

Just have to wait now and see what happens...

Appreciate it though
Old 30th March 2019
  #11
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Originally Posted by Strife84 ➡️
Hello Dear Members,

Last week I was so excited. I got myself some new software and was working on my new track that was on it's final straight becoming finished. A project that has been under work for a long time. As real pain in the rear.

I've studied mixing, mastering, learning to use my new software and synths. This was the track I really put everything on it. I wanted to evolve. Get at the next stage. I have learned so much creating this track, except...how to protect my hearing I guess.

I have never listened loud. Not louder than what normal speech is, never above 85db. But I did some long hours. Last week I did over 30 hours in 3 days. As I said, I was excited. I've done such days before. Never a problem.

But now...When woke up last saturday. I felt something was off. I had this strange high pitched (over 10k) ringing in my ears. I got Tinnitus.

I've been resting my ears for a week now, but I has not gotten away. I am also very sensitive so certain sounds, like microwave beeps etc. and my ears start to hurt and ring even more if I listen to something, even at very low volumes.

What is still strange is, I can hear 15k sounds. I am 35 years old so that is normal. I am going to get my hearing examined next week, but I guess it's the normal one just reaching 8khz.

But I am so angry at myself. WHY did I have to do such long hours?! Why on earth?! I am really baffled why I got tinnitus now. I've been on clubs, I've been on concerts, never had my ears ringing. Never. I've done long mixing sessions before. Never an issue. Ever.

Oh, I did have sinusitis also during that time. But i've never had tinnitus before.
also i've never had ear pain like this. It's like my ear drum is sore.

Why now?

I was mixing on high frequency area few days. I was EQ:ing synths, hihats and so on. And as I am still learning, it took me some more time than I thought.

But I am still angry. Last year I got 3 tracks released officially, I finally got my spotify account, logo for myself. Things looked great. Maybe I finally could get my "career" started. It's been a dream for me ever since I started back in 2000's.

How on earth am I supposed to cope with this? I went out for a walk, I stopped. I wanted to hear the forest. I couldn't. Not anymore. All I hear is this white-noise/whining.

Doctor said, "there is really nothing we can do".

I even checked the volume levels few days ago. Speakers don't go over 80db. When using headphones I can still hear my own voice and even TV if it's on next room. I have semi-open headphones DT 880 Pro. I've been doing music with them for years.

I did got my new monitor speakers, Adam T5V, last xmas. But what i've read is that monitors are easier for ears than headphones and I only check my mixing levels with them. I don't do mixing all the time with them since they are close to me (ikea malm desk. not much room...)

I am so angry at myself. I've been trying to protect my hearing for my whole life. And done pretty good job with it. Now I am safe at my house and destroy my ears.

I am very worried I cannot do music anymore since my ears start to hurt even if i flush toilet or go into shower. Mixing is most likely out of the question.

But my ears are busted anyway. Music sounds like c..rap. Every music. They sound flat, no energy, a mess.

Anyone else here who have messed up their ears during mixing? I could really need some encouragement.

I don't wish this for even my worst enemy. This is a nightmare. Nights are the worst. I have slept 20 hours in last 4 days.


85dB is too loud. Way too loud if you do it for long periods.

If you want to debate that then tell it to your tinnitus.

Just cause some govt study said it might be safe for some people to have certain exposure levels did not mean that your ears were going to be damaged. They printed those fake news numbers to keep the airlines happy due to the high levels of noise onboard aircraft that affect the pilots and stews.
Old 2nd April 2019
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Just wanted to share in case you are not aware of this organization. It's a ways off perhaps but they are working on a stem cell/gene therapy approach to hearing restoration. I'm sure it is only a matter of time before they or another similar org crack the code on full hearing restoration, I am hopeful at least.
Hearing Restoration Project (HRP) | International Scientific Consortium — Hearing Health Foundation
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Originally Posted by dwpsounds ➡️
Just wanted to share in case you are not aware of this organization. It's a ways off perhaps but they are working on a stem cell/gene therapy approach to hearing restoration. I'm sure it is only a matter of time before they or another similar org crack the code on full hearing restoration, I am hopeful at least.
Hearing Restoration Project (HRP) | International Scientific Consortium — Hearing Health Foundation
Someday, I hope! Thanks for sharing!!
Old 2nd April 2019
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So you got it diagnosed or just assume its tinnitus? I have had ringing in my ears since maybe 5 - I later found out it was nadam - a blessing in disquise - wish I knew it earlier!. . And when I found out what that was. I am happy ever since.

I would make sure your situation isn't pressure coming from someplace. bless
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Originally Posted by s wave ➡️
So you got it diagnosed or just assume its tinnitus? I have had ringing in my ears since maybe 5 - I later found out it was nadam - a blessing in disquise - wish I knew it earlier!. . And when I found out what that was. I am happy ever since.

I would make sure your situation isn't pressure coming from someplace. bless
just what is nadam ???
Old 2nd April 2019
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I am very worried I cannot do music anymore since my ears start to hurt even if i flush toilet or go into shower. Mixing is most likely out of the question.

But my ears are busted anyway. Music sounds like c..rap. Every music. They sound flat, no energy, a mess.

Anyone else here who have messed up their ears during mixing? I could really need some encouragement.

I don't wish this for even my worst enemy. This is a nightmare. Nights are the worst. I have slept 20 hours in last 4 days.

sounds like more than mere tinnitus.
and done at a hotter level than 85.

see an ear specialist.

if it really is tinnitus then they have ear plugs that play white noise around the frequencies of the tinnitus to help train you to ignore it

as to mixing dont even think about it until you fix your ears
although you could do it by sight looking at the waveforms if you were experienced enough before you became another beethoven

and keep the MAX dBA below 75 at all times now
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Originally Posted by typical user ➡️
just what is nadam ???
Nadam - is what many monks try to achieve, and can spend their lifetime in pursuit of it... (kinda a step near Nirvana) It is extra sensory hearing. (ESP for the ears/hearing) You hear with your mind and/or spirit. The Music of the spheres. It usually starts as a high pitch slightly wavering sound or ringing. Can sound like water gushing - bells - tinkling or like a sewing machine or jet engine. Mine started as a high pitch (not quite ringing) right in the middle of my left ear at a young age. Now I can move it around in my brain or even outside my physical body or turn it on or off on command. Some say it is shifting your focal point of hearing. /// I always had vertigo too. But after many jobs like smokestack testing (wrong) and wrestling with it - I realized it was just me having a 'gift' of shifting my conscious focal point. Once I could control it its like remote viewing. It was dangerous and weird having that without knowing what it was. Now, for me they have all been gifts money can't buy. But at first they made my life horrid. Hope that is what it is. You have to surrender to it... listen to it - give in, then you can control it. bless
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Originally Posted by s wave ➡️
Nadam - is what many monks try to achieve, and can spend their lifetime in pursuit of it... (kinda a step near Nirvana) It is extra sensory hearing. (ESP for the ears/hearing) You hear with your mind and/or spirit. The Music of the spheres. It usually starts as a high pitch slightly wavering sound or ringing. Can sound like water gushing - bells - tinkling or like a sewing machine or jet engine. Mine started as a high pitch (not quite ringing) right in the middle of my left ear at a young age. Now I can move it around in my brain or even outside my physical body or turn it on or off on command. Some say it is shifting your focal point of hearing. /// I always had vertigo too. But after many jobs like smokestack testing (wrong) and wrestling with it - I realized it was just me having a 'gift' of shifting my conscious focal point. Once I could control it its like remote viewing. It was dangerous and weird having that without knowing what it was. Now, for me they have all been gifts money can't buy. But at first they made my life horrid. Hope that is what it is. You have to surrender to it... listen to it - give in, then you can control it. bless
thanks

never heard of that name used

but i doubt whether it was really nadam if it started when you were young. there are plenty of things that can explain your hearing that.

now if you could control it then maybe it was nadam. those monks must be jealous
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Originally Posted by typical user ➡️
thanks

never heard of that name used

but i doubt whether it was really nadam if it started when you were young. there are plenty of things that can explain your hearing that.

now if you could control it then maybe it was nadam. those monks must be jealous
You know... When they were doing those hearing tests in elementary school... they put fear into the kids, saying that any ringing was bad. The only way I could control it was to be physically and mentally active, so I slept like 2 or 3 hours a day and was busy as a bee in my waking hours for decades. Many people thought it was crazy. Subconsciously that can have a very damaging effect on a person. Its like seeing new colors that already exist. The people who argue about it - have never seen new colors. Look up the word 'enon' - it is tough to find too. If you can see or hear or smell or touch a wider spectrum than that of the masses or scientists - it can be a handicap or a blessing, (especially if you are young and impressionable) its a choice. I feel there is not enough info out there on it. Very fascinating stuff. And an incredible frontier,,, that is barely scratched.
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sounds like more than mere tinnitus.
and done at a hotter level than 85.

see an ear specialist.

if it really is tinnitus then they have ear plugs that play white noise around the frequencies of the tinnitus to help train you to ignore it

as to mixing dont even think about it until you fix your ears
although you could do it by sight looking at the waveforms if you were experienced enough before you became another beethoven

and keep the MAX dBA below 75 at all times now
I did not do over 85db. There is no way. But, that week, I did several days straight and long hours. Of course with breaks. I never thought I could damage my ears doing too much music... And I did adjust some high frequency content and also my kick/drum bassline and my chair a neck rest in it which kinda bounces all the sounds straight into my ear. That is not good.

I visited ENT today, told me that I am most like going to be OK. I am on cortisone now for few weeks.

It feels like my tinnitus has gone down maybe very slightly. Not much, but maybe a notch.

Also I did a hearing test at ENT (not in optimal conditions) just to let myself know.

My hearings is at normal levels. Which is very good! But they don't test over 8khz which is kinda sad.

Anyway, I am hopeful.
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Originally Posted by Strife84 ➡️
I did not do over 85db. There is no way. But, that week, I did several days straight and long hours. Of course with breaks. I never thought I could damage my ears doing too much music... And I did adjust some high frequency content and also my kick/drum bassline and my chair a neck rest in it which kinda bounces all the sounds straight into my ear. That is not good.

I visited ENT today, told me that I am most like going to be OK. I am on cortisone now for few weeks.

It feels like my tinnitus has gone down maybe very slightly. Not much, but maybe a notch.

Also I did a hearing test at ENT (not in optimal conditions) just to let myself know.

My hearings is at normal levels. Which is very good! But they don't test over 8khz which is kinda sad.

Anyway, I am hopeful.

good luck with it

do remember if you have residual tinnitus that the white noise works

my wife had tinnitus and that helped a lot
not all doctors or hearing centers know about that technique

and everybody's ears are different

my ears hurt at 85dB -- not exactly pain but very uncomfortable - certainly dont want to go louder
for me that is way too loud no matter what the govt study claims
i find for my ears that 75 dB is a reasonable max
my typical listening level in my apartment is 50
Old 29th May 2020
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OP just curious to how you are doing now?

going through something similar and need some positivity lol
Old 29th January 2021
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Hi Strife.

I know this is an old post, but just in case. I've just logged in in order to answer your message. Would that someone had told me what I know now about hyperacousics when I suffered the condition.

I've suffered from hyperacousics and tinnitus for almost 10 years.
My ears are now in an almost perfect condition: NO TINNITUS AT ALL, although neumatic hammers still bother me even at a distance). I'm actually recording and mixing again (I'm nota and never was a pro. My field of expertise is psychoacoustics).

It's difficult to find doctors with the knowledge to deal with the problem, and yet there are a lot of studies in the field. I live in Spain and I had the fortune to find a really kind doctor with a certain knowledge in the area, plus as I told you my knowledge in the field helped. So along with this doctor (thank you Dr. Herráiz, wherever you are), we learnt a lot and gave the steps towards my curation.

Your problem may have different origins: ear cells damage (hair cells) due to acoustic trauma, stress (involving trigeminal area contractures...)..

Best you can do (and what I did) is following a TRT (Tinnitus retraining therap. There are some books about that (Jastreboff is a nice one, but you need certain knowledge. In my case I have a Phd in psychoacoustics):

1. You need to hear pleasant sounds from nature (binaural ocean waves being one of the best, as it has a good balance in the frequency spectrum). You should beguin with comfortable volume levels and the increase the level in small steps. This will help your lymbic system
2. AVOID silence. If you take refuge in silence your brain will try to compensate and your hyperacousics will get worse. Also humans are not used to silence (difficult to find in nature): Silence creates an alert state in your body. AVOID ear plugs and ear helmets: your limbic system will increase the gain. They also create resonsnces. Your hyperacousics will get worse.
3.Work in a psicological aspect:it is VERY IMPORTANT (although not easy) that you try to forget about the tinnitus. Actually your limbic system is amplifiying sounds in excess and you want it to go back to its normal 'gain'. The best way to do that is by trying to be relaxed and not to focus on the tinnitus. In my case yoga helped a lot (it hepled my neck muscles stretch and also helped reduce my stress and therefore the awareness of the tinnitus).

Finally: you have to believe that your problem has a cure. Believe me that the psychological aspect of this illness is perhaps the most important one.

Good luck!

Ricardo García
Old 29th January 2021
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I've just read that they gave you cortisone. First doctors I visited gave me also cortisone. It did not work so they gave me bromazepam and then pregabaline (brain atenuators). None of them worked, and they are drugs better to be avoided.
Old 29th January 2021
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I have pretty (very ) loud tinnitus in my right ear.
I have it since I was very young so it does not bother me so much. Every once in a while I notice it more.
The only sound that masks it is the sound of summer crickets

But look at it this way; in summer; do you go "Aaah, the sound of crickets is driving me crazy!" ?
You don't. You mostly don't really hear it. And when you do, you just hear it.
I know that you can't "escape" the tinnitus, but it's still not different from hearing summer crickets.

Huub
Old 29th January 2021
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The OPs website is not working and he didn't log in here in months, but I just checked his facebook page and he releases new tracks regularly, so I guess he can work again, cool!
Old 29th January 2021
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Definitely worth getting ears/hearing checked by a doctor/audiologist. I wrote a series of Gearslutz reviews about Earproof products that may contain some useful info particularly about monitoring levels and the Acoustic Reflex Threshold (which is the point where we start grimacing at sound level).

Earproof Rockit
Earproof Concert
Earproof Pro
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Hi Arthur,

those products looks to me to be used pre-damage. Once your ears have been damaged I'm not quite sure those products are a good idea. Best thing you can do is to avoid exposure. And the problem with doctors/audiologists is that most of them do not know how to deal with tinnitus or hyperacousics. It's really,really,really difficult to find a doctor with expertise in the area.
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Hi Arthur,

those products looks to me to be used pre-damage. Once your ears have been damaged I'm not quite sure those products are a good idea. Best thing you can do is to avoid exposure. And the problem with doctors/audiologists is that most of them do not know how to deal with tinnitus or hyperacousics. It's really,really,really difficult to find a doctor with expertise in the area.
I pointed to the reviews regarding the information about Acoustic Reflex and monitoring level (and I stated that clearly); also, as a disclaimer, I think a doctor/audiologist is better qualified than internet advice, and they will be able to diagnose if there is an underlying medical condition causing issues.

I appreciate what you are saying but if you read my post carefully I am not recommending the Earproof products as a remedy for the OP's condition, just for potentially useful information about hearing mechanisms.
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Hi, Arthur,

sorry if I misunderstood. I just thought you talked about this Earproofs in general, as you didn't specify. Thought you just talked about monitoring level and ART (and that you could also include persons suffering hyperacousics).

Sorry if I did not introduce myself properly. I was a pupil in Regensburg (Germany) back in the 90's of Prof. Dr. Manfred Zollner, who also studied under the guidance of Eberhardt Zwicker (Author of Psychoacoustics- Facts and Models). And as I stated before I got my Ph.D. in Psychoacoustics (in Free field equalization of headphones for binaural recordings with artificial heads). I know I'm not an audiologist, but I can proudly say that I have a good knowledge of the physiology of the hearing system.

Truth is, as I told you, most audiologists know little if not nothing about how to deal with tinnitus, let alone hyperacousics. During the years I suffered my illness, after having visited maybe more than 40? audiologists (sad to say most of them seemed to have less knowledge of the illness than me), I began to read as much papers as I could (university researchs, papers from Journals of medical society, Jastreboff books). Not only one of the audiologists I visited had ever heard from Jastreboff. They would run the standard tests (pain thresholds, audiometry, evoked potentials..), find that everything was ok and send me home with some prescriptions.
The seventh year of my illness I was lucky to find Dr. Carlos Herráiz in Madrid, who, at that time was very young doctor interested in the field and showed more knowledge than his colleges. I shared all the books and documentation I had and he was kind enough not only to welcome it, but also to share his knowledge of the area with me. He treated me for two years in which I made an impressive progress (I had a severe hyperacousics condition with tinnitus). Sadly he died in a motorbike accident and never saw me fully recovered.

My point was, I'm no doctor, but I have a certain level of knowledge. And I know first hand that it is very difficult to find an audiologist who can deal with hyperacousics.

Of course, first thing you should do is try to find a good doctor (who really knows about this). Otherwise you'll get standard treatments (cortisone, pregabaline...) that may not work (bear in mind that both tinnitus and hyperacousics can have been triggered by different sources and maybe there is an easy fix).

But in the event that standards treatments do not work, it is very likely that doctors will tell you that this condition has no cure and you have to adapt.

I also want to point out that the advices I gave here (hearing ocean waves, etc...), do not come from forums or websites but from what I learnt from specialiced books, papers, researchs, from Dr. Herráiz, and also from the illness I suffered. If somebody is interested I coul give him/her the sources. And again I think it is important to highlight that avoiding noises or wearing plug protections is not the way to go when dealing with hyperacousics. There are lots of studies regarding that. Here is an example (by Jastreboff).

https://misophoniatreatment.com/wp-c...-Tolerance.pdf

Hope my text does not sound aggressive, as it was not my intention. If it does, I apologize.

Ricardo García
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