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How's Mixbus' popularity now? March 2019
Old 17th March 2019
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How's Mixbus' popularity now? March 2019

Not a poll or a troll, I'm just curious if MixBus is still being used as much as it was after it came out. When it was released there was the typical hype but soon afterwards people started really liking it and there were comments about how users were so happy with MixBus that they were using it for all of their mixing. Then v3 was released, then v4, and there seemed to be a lot of MixBux users - the Harrison forum was growing and being used more and more. But after v5 popularity seemed (to me) to start waning, and now the Harrison forums have slowed way down, and even here at GS the posts have dropped off. Do you feel that Mixbus is as popular as ever, or do you use it less than before, or have you moved on? Or is everyone waiting for v6?

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Old 18th March 2019
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@ thewonders : Mixbus is growing at a very fast rate now. Any random day is bigger than our big sales days used to be, when it comes to adding new users. Mixbus is also used in schools throughout the world for teaching audio signal flow.

Now that Mixbus is stable and is better understood, there isn't as much intense discussion as there was during the launch. That's a mixed blessing, I guess.

We provide personalized email support from our factory, so people tend to write us directly instead of posting questions on forums etc. That's another mixed blessing for us, but it's great for users.

A lot of the public conversation now happens on our own forum or social-media channels. But we are publishing a Mixbus update this week, and usually this creates some activity on the Gearslutz forums.

Thanks for your continued interest!!!

-Ben
Old 20th March 2019
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RuCo is making a dedicated hardware controller for MIXBUS & 32C that's how popular it is.

I pretty much record direct and edit on MB now, used to record on PT and edit on PT because I knew it well. I only use PT now for legacy material I have.

I still find it hard to beliee how good MB is and once in a while to pinch myself, I try to mix a track on PT and then on MB. MB wins EVERY time for speed and result. I also use fewer external plugins...
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RuCo is making a dedicated hardware controller for MIXBUS & 32C that's how popular it is.
It would be nice if there was some more up to date status/story on that.
Old 20th March 2019 | Show parent
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It would be nice if there was some more up to date status/story on that.
RuCo Mixbus Control Surface Group public group | Facebook
Old 20th March 2019 | Show parent
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I had seen that before, but before it became a Closed group, and I don't do Facebook.

I've seen some pics, and it looks like a nice controller, but I never see any pics of it have any faders.

Anyone know what that will entail?

1 fader? 8 faders? 16 faders? 32 faders?

16 or 32 would be super nice. (even 24)
Old 20th March 2019
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Also, anyone know when more units will be available to order or pre-order?
Old 2nd April 2019
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Does anyone know which plugins do/ dont work with the paid versions?
I mostly have waves, slate, and IK
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Does anyone know which plugins do/ dont work with the paid versions?
I mostly have waves, slate, and IK
I've used waves and IK, but really they all should work.
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Does anyone know which plugins do/ dont work with the paid versions?
I mostly have waves, slate, and IK
I've used waves, IK, Expotential Audio, Stillwell, Toneboosters, Valhalla, Pianoteq, fxpansion, jamstix
Old 5th April 2019 | Show parent
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Does anyone know which plugins do/ dont work with the paid versions?
I mostly have waves, slate, and IK
Slate Everything Bundle is working for me using VST format.
Old 5th April 2019
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Probably be easier to ask what doesn't work...... FWIW everything I own works fine and that's a bunch....!
Old 10th April 2019 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenLoftis ➡️
@ thewonders : Mixbus is growing at a very fast rate now. Any random day is bigger than our big sales days used to be, when it comes to adding new users. Mixbus is also used in schools throughout the world for teaching audio signal flow.

Now that Mixbus is stable and is better understood, there isn't as much intense discussion as there was during the launch. That's a mixed blessing, I guess.

We provide personalized email support from our factory, so people tend to write us directly instead of posting questions on forums etc. That's another mixed blessing for us, but it's great for users.

A lot of the public conversation now happens on our own forum or social-media channels. But we are publishing a Mixbus update this week, and usually this creates some activity on the Gearslutz forums.

Thanks for your continued interest!!!

-Ben
Great to hear that, Ben. As on many occasions I will use the opportunity to mention that your support is incredible indeed. Always fast, personal, patient and helpful!

By the way: Are there plans for a v6 yet?
Old 27th August 2019 | Show parent
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I had seen that before, but before it became a Closed group, and I don't do Facebook.

I've seen some pics, and it looks like a nice controller, but I never see any pics of it have any faders.

Anyone know what that will entail?

1 fader? 8 faders? 16 faders? 32 faders?

16 or 32 would be super nice. (even 24)
Just in case: there's a webstore now under rucoproaudio.com

But it's more or less a channel strip design with just one fader which actually is a pot. For now I'll stick to controlling it with Console1 and a Faderport.
Old 6th October 2020 | Show parent
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possible to upgrade from Mix Bus to 32c?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenLoftis ➡️
@ thewonders : Mixbus is growing at a very fast rate now. Any random day is bigger than our big sales days used to be, when it comes to adding new users. Mixbus is also used in schools throughout the world for teaching audio signal flow.

Now that Mixbus is stable and is better understood, there isn't as much intense discussion as there was during the launch. That's a mixed blessing, I guess.

We provide personalized email support from our factory, so people tend to write us directly instead of posting questions on forums etc. That's another mixed blessing for us, but it's great for users.

A lot of the public conversation now happens on our own forum or social-media channels. But we are publishing a Mixbus update this week, and usually this creates some activity on the Gearslutz forums.

Thanks for your continued interest!!!

-Ben
is it possible to upgrade from Mix Bus to Mix Bus 32 C? am not sure if this is possible. Or to use 32c i must buy 32c?

Plus, does the quality of the converters used for recording determine the quality of the output from Mix Bus? The discussion seem to imply that quality of converters do not matter as Mix Bus has its own signature sound?

Again, would i be able to depend only on Mix Bus as my one and only DAW for recording, mixing and mastering? here too, the question is informed by the fact that the discussion sort of imply that it is a no no to record and edit with mixbus and that it is only good for mixing.

thanks in anticipation

Last edited by McNewlove; 6th October 2020 at 08:17 PM.. Reason: i need to add more enquiry
Old 6th October 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Leftygent ➡️
RuCo is making a dedicated hardware controller for MIXBUS & 32C that's how popular it is.

I pretty much record direct and edit on MB now, used to record on PT and edit on PT because I knew it well. I only use PT now for legacy material I have.

I still find it hard to beliee how good MB is and once in a while to pinch myself, I try to mix a track on PT and then on MB. MB wins EVERY time for speed and result. I also use fewer external plugins...
Have been reading that it is not particularly advisable to use it for recording and editing and that it shines only in mixing?

Also, does the quality of your converters determine the quality of the sound you will get out of this DAW, since it has its own sound?
Old 6th October 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by McNewlove ➡️
Have been reading that it is not particularly advisable to use it for recording and editing and that it shines only in mixing?

Also, does the quality of your converters determine the quality of the sound you will get out of this DAW, since it has its own sound?
may i ask what would make it NOT work for recording ??? latency, punching in and out, ???

i have another thread where i am working through Newbie Issues for myself and a friend back east ..

thank you john
Old 7th October 2020
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Recording should be the same on any DAW, because THE ONE YOU KNOW BEST is the fastest. I cant speak for midi capabilities of course. As far as editing, Id imagine it has similar features if you know where everything is, and have the keyboard shortcuts. I'm a huge fan of groove 3, they have instructional videos for every daw.

As far as the upgrade, you will have mixbus 6 and 32C, 2 different programs. They send email offers on discounts sometimes, and they've honored it even after it expired.
Old 7th October 2020 | Show parent
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is it possible to upgrade from Mix Bus to Mix Bus 32 C? am not sure if this is possible. Or to use 32c i must buy 32c?

Plus, does the quality of the converters used for recording determine the quality of the output from Mix Bus? The discussion seem to imply that quality of converters do not matter as Mix Bus has its own signature sound?

Again, would i be able to depend only on Mix Bus as my one and only DAW for recording, mixing and mastering? here too, the question is informed by the fact that the discussion sort of imply that it is a no no to record and edit with mixbus and that it is only good for mixing.

thanks in anticipation
Don't see where you're coming from. Your question implies you have regular Mixbus? Then you know about its features. 32c has just more busses and the full 32c EQ on every channel.

The “info“ you reference is crap. Why wouldn't converters matter with a DAW? Of course they do, they are responsible for translating the sound to your ears. Also, Mixbus doesn't have a sound. If you route your tracks directly to the 2bus and leave the EQs off, it will cancel with any other DAW. Once you engage the EQs and use the busses, there's some saturation going on. But it's not like it forces its sound on to you. 32c just makes you sound friggin good quite easily.
Personally I have never recorded with it, except for recording a realtime bounce on a track. But I can't see why you wouldn't use it for recording? Editing is superb, you just have to learn the tools and shortcuts as in any DAW.
Old 7th October 2020
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I believe both 32C and regular MB6 have the same VCA busses. If you crank up the tape distortion, there is a huge difference, it might not always be what you're looking for, but its an extra tool. (make sure you don't route tracks to busses AND master, other wise you'll double the volume)

Another difference in mixing, AFAIK, they still don't offer vst3 support, so a lot of plugins may not work.

Last edited by Garage Rodeo; 7th October 2020 at 11:18 PM.. Reason: more info
Old 27th October 2020 | Show parent
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Another difference in mixing, AFAIK, they still don't offer vst3 support, so a lot of plugins may not work.
you can use metaplugin(as vst2) to host vst3 inside mixbus until they implement vst3 support. guess next version as vendors starts to distribute vst3 only.

there is also a user in the harrison forum that posted an automatic converter of vst3 to vst2 but i havent tried that one.
Old 13th November 2020
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They just released a free update introducing VST3 support!

These guys do listen to their customers.
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They just released a free update introducing VST3 support!

These guys do listen to their customers.
update !! i will take a look at the website but any word on Waves v10 (latest if version os wrong) .. the graphics issues ??

thx john
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update !! i will take a look at the website but any word on Waves v10 (latest if version os wrong) .. the graphics issues ??

thx john
i believe it shares the architecture with the underlying Ardour its built upon.

this is the information i received from mixbus/Ben when inquiring about (its nothing confidential, otherwise i would refrain from sharing part of a message)

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The cause of the problem is fairly easy to infer: Ardour/Mixbus uses OpenGL hardware acceleration to draw some elements of the screen (specifically I know that any elements that have a gradient will try to use the hardware accelerator) (*). Anecdotally we know that Waves has always used OpenGL, and some of their plugins date back 15+ years. It seems likely that they are using some hardware-accelerated function that conflicts with ours.

So the problem seems to be: in certain system/driver combinations, there is contention for a hardware resource in the video driver or hardware, and this causes some tiny delay (perhaps 10 microseconds per call, or something like that). Multiply this by 100's or 1000's of calls to that function, and it causes a problem.

This is complicated by the fact that Windows has a single 'message queue' for each application's window, and this queue handles all the mouse, keyboard, and redraw events. If one 'draw' command gets stuck, then the queue can fill-up, and some of these UI messages get lost or ignored. We could avoid these issues by eliminating all dependence on hardware drawing support, but of course that would cause other compromises.
thats understood but i havent encountered any other daw sharing this behavior and it can lead to mixbus shutting down when you have multiple plugin windows open. (possibly the queue overflows and leads to an unhandled exception).

additionally at least on Windows mixbus graphical system seems to struggle with itself enough. dont even need waves plugins to try. if you open it on a high res window try dragging the busses quickly left and right and see what happens.
you can stry the same in settings with the transparency sliders. drag a transparency slider and try to move the transparency popup quickly.

i hope it will get the updates it deserves. as said i love the usability and flow.

in addition i havent received a feedback regarding Admiral Bumblebees findings concerning the 32c eq behavior
(https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/mus...The-Mixer.html) which he noticed in 2017 (i guess it was with v4. he also did some aliasing tests) regarding some mixer behaviors are still present. if high-pass is turned on there will be a roll off after 18k (i found it less pronounced as in his article, maybe because i use a sample-rate of 96000)
Old 16th November 2020 | Show parent
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thank you so much for the reply .. i am in and out of usingMixBus as a Test since ver3 i think .. something seemed to stumble each version and i move away .. always wanting to come back like finding that old console in some store room and firing it up, hoping it does not set the drapes on fire !!

i will keep loading up new versins and keep trying !!! not giving up on them .. v5 seems fairly good so far ..

BUT the Next thingto hit for me, is Big Sur and M1 Chip MacMini .. i just tried to buy one .. in a one hour span, i could get it nov 16th .. then Dec 23rd !!! Bam !! like Hotcakes .. not expecting anything but Logic to Work on it for now !!

cheersand thx again ...

john

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Originally Posted by UltraByte ➡️
i believe it shares the architecture with the underlying Ardour its built upon.

this is the information i received from mixbus/Ben when inquiring about (its nothing confidential, otherwise i would refrain from sharing part of a message)



thats understood but i havent encountered any other daw sharing this behavior and it can lead to mixbus shutting down when you have multiple plugin windows open. (possibly the queue overflows and leads to an unhandled exception).

additionally at least on Windows mixbus graphical system seems to struggle with itself enough. dont even need waves plugins to try. if you open it on a high res window try dragging the busses quickly left and right and see what happens.
you can stry the same in settings with the transparency sliders. drag a transparency slider and try to move the transparency popup quickly.

i hope it will get the updates it deserves. as said i love the usability and flow.

in addition i havent received a feedback regarding Admiral Bumblebees findings regarding the 32c eq behavior
(https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/mus...The-Mixer.html) which he noticed in 2017 (i guess it was with v4. he also did some aliasing tests) regarding some mixer behaviors are still present. if high-pass is turned on there will be a roll off after 18k (i found it less pronounced as in his article, maybe because i use a sample-rate of 96000)
Old 20th November 2020
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It’s onsale for $19 right now, for just a few more hours I think:
https://harrisonconsoles.lpages.co/mixbus-v6_19-offer/
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