kirklein : Ah ok cool

all good thank you.
Matt : yes that is exactly it , I felt I was never entirely sure what I was looking at was 'real' or an artifact.
They also feel 'slow' to operate screen updates etc I am sure on some $20,000 agilent everything is all hunky dory but that is simply out of my price range/skill set.
If I need to go mobile different story.
I am also looking at the tektronix 2445A if anyone has opinions?
Thanks all.
G