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Old 6th February 2009 | Show parent
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Honestly never listened to the track.. I read the Post from MC and that was enough..


Sorry..
Old 6th February 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by doulos ➑️
oh now I have to vindicate myself as a producer, you want something I've done that surpases this thats pretty easy ok here you go

blackboxsound on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Videos track 4 bring it on if you want more just ask I have a ton of material. I've worked in the best rooms with the best producers out there
I was simply disagreeing with your claim that the quality of your work surpasses the track from The Cure.
Old 7th February 2009 | Show parent
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You owe the man an apology

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Originally Posted by MC Blind ➑️
I hate when you post an audio example on this site. Right away you just get jealous posters telling you what they don't like about it and how they could do better. Let me make it clear. Do not post in my thread anymore unless you have actual information about the recording or have a good ear, have listened to the wave file in your acoustically treated room with high end monitors and actually are a professional full-time engineer.

Thank You

So you are both insulting and are judging people's ears because they do not agree with you?

Far out....

I listened to the track through my focal sm11's. Is that enough monitor for you?

As it pertains to your comments about the track, I will respectfully choose to disagree with your position, and say no more.


PS: Dude, are you trying to be insulting to people? Or is it an unconscious act on your part?

You owe the man an apology.

From where I sit you seem to have classified him as a hack who is tone deaf all because he responded to your post and did not agree with you? His comments were just.

Did you not ask for people's opinions?

Do you actually want them or just want the name of a drummer?

This kind of behavior does not go well around here.

Mutual respect, and respecting other people's opinions count for something.

Courtesy, decorum etc....

Where is Jules?

Again, IMHO you owe the man an apology.

Cheers,

John
Old 12th February 2009 | Show parent
  #34
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Originally Posted by doulos ➑️
oh now I have to vindicate myself as a producer, you want something I've done that surpases this thats pretty easy ok here you go

blackboxsound on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Videos track 4 bring it on if you want more just ask I have a ton of material. I've worked in the best rooms with the best producers out there

Sound Cell Recording Studios || Huntsville, Alabama one of the rooms I work in

FAMESTUDIOS.COM another studio I work in

I'm freelace producer/engineer I've worked with a producer and cowriter for john mayer, the producers of third day, "monroe jones" a side project for papa roach need I continue? One of the last projects I did the studio was in eq magazine it's called true north studios they flew me out to be mix engineer for the producer clay cook who was the cowriter for john mayer back in the day etc.

vindication rant over with
I personally think the song "Bring it on" that you recorded sounds amazing. I might be interested in having you mix a few of my songs if you ever get the time. Killer drum sound, amazing vocals, punchy bass, great synths. Great groove. I loved it
Old 12th February 2009 | Show parent
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Old 12th February 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by James Meeker ➑️
The track is called "Icing Sugar" off of Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.

Not one of my favorite tracks by them--I had to look up what album it was on and the name, but I *DID* know it was them.

The recording is from 1986-87 (album released in 1987). Look up any info on the recording of that record. I think they did it in France in some mansion converted into a studio or something like that. Look up the studio they got it mixed at as well--you may be able to figure out what type of processing they had at the time, although I'm gonna have to say it's probably going to be AMS and Lexicon 224... maybe a QRS but I'm not hearing it. It doesn't seem very 480-ish to me, but you never know.

If you don't know The Cure you should listen to them. Great band, very unique vision--many people have tried to imitate them, but it just doesn't work. Their body of work is pretty large--I recommend starting off with Disintegration (horribly dated drum sounds though), Kiss Me, and probably Wish. If you like their darker material check out Pornography and Head on the Door--those are my two personal favorites.

Hope this helps!

There are a few things you can draw from the recording--the guitar obviously isn't a POD (not even someone's worst nightmare in 86-87), and it was definitely tracked to tape. I still think the toms are coated in Lexicon 224 plate 'verb, and definitely with some solid pre-delay in there.
Yep James is dead on.. I thought i was the only other musician/engineer & a The Cure fan.
Some classic 80's. Not there best track tho by far. The lexi verbs & a chorusy Roland JC120 are a must. But check out Disintegration & there newer work blood Flowers. Must have albums.

I don't know your setup but if you can't get your hands on a nice verb check out the Lexicon 300 impulses i captured. Not the came as the real thing but still sound nice.
Lexicon 300 Impulse sets. - signaltonoize.com
I use them if my 300 & 80 are occupied.
Old 12th February 2009 | Show parent
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Yep James is dead on.. I thought i was the only other musician/engineer & a The Cure fan.
Some classic 80's. Not there best track tho by far. The lexi verbs & a chorusy Roland JC120 are a must. But check out Disintegration & there newer work blood Flowers. Must have albums.

I don't know your setup but if you can't get your hands on a nice verb check out the Lexicon 300 impulses i captured. Not the came as the real thing but still sound nice.
Lexicon 300 Impulse sets. - signaltonoize.com
I use them if my 300 & 80 are occupied.
Hey thanx for the impulses man. Thats reel coolio of u.
Old 19th February 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by MC Blind ➑️
The thing is, there is more to this than just a lot of reverb and delay. This recording is exceptional. Check out the wave file on your best audio chain, (Not a little notebook computer) and get back to me. Lol, I'm pretty sure a POD wasn't used for the guitar sound either. Could someone else chime in that is more experienced? This is way beyond a typical recording that I hear. I have been recording for awhile now and know a lot but I wanted to keep my comments to a minimum and let people hear it for themselves.

Wow, what a condescending prick you are.

I really can't believe out of nowhere you would say something like that to someone that took the time to reply and offer an opinion. Not to mention every destination has more than one path to it.

I bet you're a popular guy!
Old 5th March 2009 | Show parent
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Ha, ha! Man oh man, where to begin...

I have been out in the country recording a full length album with a very well known band and now I'm back to civilization and gearslutz to come to this thread.

First of all let me say sorry to anyone who might have been offended. I just listened to the clip I posted again and sure enough it sounds amazing. The word must have spread about this clip because apparently a lot of engineers on this site are very interested in it. Over 220 people have downloaded the wave file.

Spring is around the corner. Get out of the city and back into the country if you can. It really makes you feel better and less grouchy, I promise!
Old 24th March 2009 | Show parent
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Kiss Me X3 is actually an overall great album with some fantastic songwriting ("How Beautiful You Are" etc), and some of the production is really nice with great melodic "lead bass" and big drums up front. Many of the tracks sound beast on vinyl with a good playback system. However a few of the later tracks on the album sound like B-sides and 'Icing Sugar" is one of them. I personally don't mind the track myself.

Just posting because I would not want someone to form an opinion on the entire album based on this small excerpt.

As for the drummer... the guy they had during this period sounded great in my opinion... nice and driving, on the beat, tasteful and well-spaced fills.

Actually saw them live around the time this came out, one of the best-sounding rock concerts I've ever experienced.

(For the record, I'm more of a casual fan, I just respect inspired songwriting and the Cure have it in spades on their best albums).

I agree with James that the Cure are classic rock. It was trendy to bash them for awhile once the grunge era came along, but their influence has proven far more deeper and long-lasting than anything from the grunge era. A little dab of Cure influence can be heard in a gazillion bands, which is cool, but they also have a lot of blatant imitators who frankly blow chunks. Yeah they get the lead bass and chorused guitar part down, but they forget to write songs to go with it. :-P
Old 11th May 2009 | Show parent
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Another thing that makes a recording sound BIG is the use of depth. If all the instruments are miked within 1 -2 feet you have the depth of a small closet. If you envision where you want the instruments to be in the 3D sound field of the final mix you can use your ears and place your mics accordingly.

On this recording the sax (as well as everything) has good depth. And I have to agree, that while it is more processed (reverb, delay, etc...) than I would have mixed it, this recording is not the sort of thing that just some nobody can make.

If you need a reminder of what bad production sounds like, there is a lot of it on MySpace. :0)
Old 12th May 2009 | Show parent
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OVER 383 downloads as of this post.
Old 12th May 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by vonrichter ➑️
Kiss Me X3 is actually an overall great album with some fantastic songwriting ("How Beautiful You Are" etc),
I loved the cure. I listened to that song before breaking up with my high school girlfriend.

And then I met my next girlfriend after she wrote most on the lyrics to "one more time" (pretty much everything minus the title) on a secret admirers card.

those were the days, great album.

narco
Old 12th May 2009 | Show parent
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Now over 402 downloads of a wave file that is over 22 megabytes. That has got to be some sort of GS record for a file that size. I guess someone called their friends and they called someone else and before you know people are inquiring- "Hey, who still records to tape in France? I want that BIG sound that I'm not getting from my little computer set up."
Old 16th May 2009 | Show parent
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I'm a drummer myself and it sounds like the drummer is using single ply skins on the drums. It gives the drum an attack.
Skins DO make a difference.
Old 16th May 2009 | Show parent
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The one thing I notice about this clip, is it has meaning to it,and is not only just show- offish and impressive. Most mixes I hear lack any dynamics. Although full, it still sounds like air that i can walk in. Sure there are louder and larger mixes,but I would not say this is just alright.
Old 16th May 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Tweek Audio ➑️
Another thing that makes a recording sound BIG is the use of depth. If all the instruments are miked within 1 -2 feet you have the depth of a small closet. If you envision where you want the instruments to be in the 3D sound field of the final mix you can use your ears and place your mics accordingly.

On this recording the sax (as well as everything) has good depth. And I have to agree, that while it is more processed (reverb, delay, etc...) than I would have mixed it, this recording is not the sort of thing that just some nobody can make.

If you need a reminder of what bad production sounds like, there is a lot of it on MySpace. :0)
that's on point
Old 16th May 2009 | Show parent
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So MC Blind and Mark RB are Kissing now???heh

I thought I was an Assxole! but MC Blind is just a master on arrogance !
Old 16th May 2009 | Show parent
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So MC Blind and Mark RB are Kissing now???heh

I thought I was an Assxole! but MC Blind is just a master on arrogance !
I think dude just has good ears.
Old 26th November 2009 | Show parent
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For that sound and time the reverb made sense. I would rather hear it will maybe less midrange in the tone of the reverb itself and or some compression to make the hits stronger and the reverb sorta do a ducking thing. Or simply turn down all the reverb LMAO
Old 3rd December 2009 | Show parent
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Big Drums- BIGGGG SOUND

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ALSO

track # 7

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?f...e=738572117627

The dafos track is well recorded IMHO by Keith Johnson.

Frankly- the track you are interested in might sound good on lesser quality audio systems- which... is fine... but I think you will truly marvel at the Dafos Track... listen to the Gates of Dafos... and be careful about your gain settings.
Old 7th December 2009 | Show parent
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YouTube - The Cure Being silly in the studio
Old 7th December 2009 | Show parent
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What a weird thread. Ask for opinions, get angry at opinions... Learn to take other peoples thoughts without getting personal, or you'll have a hard time through life. Also, downloads of the track don't dicate the size of your e-peen, just sayin'...

You should probably look into more recordings from the 80s, might blow your mind.
Old 7th December 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by MC Blind ➑️
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you sir, have some serious personality disorder. i for my part ( and i think this goes for most people who download this) am just so amused by your posts that i want to hear if here is any skill to back it up.
Old 29th December 2009 | Show parent
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Old 6th January 2010 | Show parent
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great performances in there - I love me some Cure

Though I found myself wanting the recording to come closer.

Like I was running around the room chasing it saying - "come back! come back, hey where's Robert Smith?"

And knowing Smith's vocal sound - his voice would be pretty wet too.

but I really like how everything is glued in - just a bit distant for my tastes.

BUT hey - this is a band that set THE standard for new wave production.
Old 6th January 2010 | Show parent
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great performances in there - I love me some Cure

Though I found myself wanting the recording to come closer.

Like I was running around the room chasing it saying - "come back! come back, hey where's Robert Smith?"

And knowing Smith's vocal sound - his voice would be pretty wet too.

but I really like how everything is glued in - just a bit distant for my tastes.

BUT hey - this is a band that set THE standard for new wave production.
Well to be fair I did tweek with the original a bit so check out the album on vinyl on a good system. It is an amazing album, it creates its own world and rules.
Old 10th January 2010 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by doulos ➑️
I don't know why this discussion has to be so heated and ugly. I sense only bad things, and probably a fair amount of hubris, to come.

Have fun guys! My only purpose is to try and help people out

wish there were more people like you in this business james
lol "all in favor say Aye!"
Old 21st March 2010 | Show parent
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The OP started to get hissy first, maybe he doesn't understand that what he thinks is the holy grail of production isn't what everyone else thinks.

That clip you posted is good, but nothing is very ''in your face'' in comparison with the U2 clip, people told you how to get it, take the advice or leave it and quit being a troll.

If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions
Old 25th March 2010 | Show parent
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OK, I have been lurking here for years. I'm a member over at homerecording, but I read Gearslutz as well. I listened to the OP track. It was pretty good, but certainly no "end all be all". I didn't get the "BIG" sound that he's talking about. Overall it sounded like it was drowned in reverb to me. Although that's necessarily a bad thing. Look at the Cure, the Smiths, and even some early 90's indie rockers. The drums sound like they were played well, but I'm not getting a big thump on the kick. I like that kick in the chest feel. The bass has a chorus affect with reverb on it. The sax has a delay on it I think. The guitar sounds like it has chorus AND reverb on it.

In any case. When I think of that "Big" sound, I think of recordings like Breaking The Girl by RHCP, or Riders on the Storm by the Doors. They have a a really well balanced overall tonal feel to them. I'm sure most of you could point out recordings that you think of as "BIG" sound, those are just some that come to mind for me.

The OP seems to be over the top in his responses, they don;t seem justified and to me are outright rude. I'm thinking, he recorded this himself and is taking all of the criticism personally. So my advice to him would be to stand back a little bit and absorb the criticism before jumping in like an over defensive child. The recording sounds good, to me it's a little heavy on effects and personally the song never really crested and brought me anywhere, but that's just opinion. It reminds me of a jam band song without any major changes.

And just to show that I'm certainly no master of recording and writing I'll post one of my songs that I recorded and played most parts on.

http://members.cox.net/kricketband/O...ore%20Shot.mp3
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