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I had a really difficult time parsing this post. But some FPGAs have an ARM core in addition to the gate array. The elektron A4 has a Spartan FPGA in there. Not sure if it's one with an ARM core or not.
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Me to but in essence what they said is a contradiction, first they claimed complex and intense CPU time to create DCO2 then Janost said DCOs is made with FPGA who in this application dont have much of speed constraints, just very fast logic. Time will tell what the heck they meant!?! A4 as you mention is good example, DCO timing in FPGA, no computation, heck they can do everything with the FPGA, envelopes, lfo etc.
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DP12 has a nice ring to it
It's does have a nice ring to it but that name is already taken https://goo.gl/images/JoNJg6
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Me to but in essence what they said is a contradiction, first they claimed complex and intense CPU time to create DCO2 then Janost said DCOs is made with FPGA who in this application dont have much of speed constraints, just very fast logic. Time will tell what the heck they meant!?! A4 as you mention is good example, DCO timing in FPGA, no computation, heck they can do everything with the FPGA, envelopes, lfo etc.
They said complex code afaik.

Maybe they just generate the CVs with the FPGA via PWM and filtering.
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Personally I like the name of this synth "Deep Mind 12" I must admit, it's an unusual name for a musical instrument. I can relate to the name and I think it's fitting. Ever since I can remember I've had a very active imagination and I never stop thinking. This continues even as I sleep and results in very powerful vivid dreams that rival reality itself at times.

When I play my synths or listen to someone else playing my mind can reach a state of deep relaxation with feelings of peace & tranquility. Other times I reach a trance like state as if in deep meditation. I believe its due to the sound frequencies that synths generate similar to the alpha waves generated by the human mind.

Anyways, a very kool name IMHO. Me likes!
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I estimate that if DCO2 is not a true independent osc (ie being able to choose sawtooth, pulse, pwm etc), then excitement will dampen quite a bit, for me at least. That's a big deal, to not be able to have detuned double sawtooth or double pulse patches? We'll see. If the price is very low, it won't be so much of a bummer tho.

I can't see the engineers making that mistake though. Awaiting more specs to clear up this question.
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The last 8 destinations in the mod matrix could be assignable parameters for the fx section.
Nope, "Mod 1 Depth" that's the depth of the first mod slot and so on. Pretty sure of that.

A mod slot has a Source, a Destination, and Depth, this let's you modulate that last parameter. For example, if you have an LFO modulating VCA Env Decay and you'd also like to control the depth of that modulation via the Mod Wheel you'd do this:

Mod slot 1: LFO > VCA Env Decay > 50
Mod slot 2: Mod Wheel > Mod 1 Depth > 50

Adjust the "50"s to taste.
Old 31st July 2016
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I thought 'Behringer Juno' would have been an obvious choice: BJ12

I find it less painful than the DP moniker.
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Originally Posted by BassX ➑️
well this thread has more posts than the "new" Minimoog.
must be more interesting then
without a 'fixed that for you' I think it will be because it may actually be more affordable to a larger segment of peeps. Unlike the Model D reissue...
Old 31st July 2016
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It seems a lot of people don't get the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy reference.
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Originally Posted by ToyBox ➑️
Nope, "Mod 1 Depth" that's the depth of the first mod slot and so on. Pretty sure of that.

A mod slot has a Source, a Destination, and Depth, this let's you modulate that last parameter. For example, if you have an LFO modulating VCA Env Decay and you'd also like to control the depth of that modulation via the Mod Wheel you'd do this:

Mod slot 1: LFO > VCA Env Decay > 50
Mod slot 2: Mod Wheel > Mod 1 Depth > 50

Adjust the "50"s to taste.
Makes complete sense.
Bummer... Being able to modulate fx parameters would have been great :-(.
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Originally Posted by Psychlist1972 ➑️

Hate the name that much? Here's the solution:




Reminds me of what I used to do with my Rolands back in the day:

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Originally Posted by Scott Wozniak ➑️
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If I showed a picture of an Alpha Juno and a picture of a Juno 106, let's assume/pretend you've never tried them, and asked you which would be easier and faster to program wouldn't you be able to make a guess? Wouldn't that be judging on usability without having tried?

Anyway, 2 early 2 calm down, more DM12 talk
^^^ The guy's got a point.
He might have a point if this was the Alpha Juno being released by Behringer, or if it has a similar user interface, but it isn't, and it doesn't.
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Maybe some sort of waveshaping
or simply just some clever effects usage..
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Originally Posted by Don Edgar ➑️
It seems a lot of people don't get the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy reference.
I must admit that I am one of them... That was Deep Thought wasnt it? Neither do I get the number 12, if that is also supposed to be a reference.

Sorry if I dont follow up on replies, this thread is moving at the pace of a probability drive...
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Originally Posted by SynthWizard ➑️
I estimate that if DCO2 is not a true independent osc (ie being able to choose sawtooth, pulse, pwm etc), then excitement will dampen quite a bit, for me at least. That's a big deal, to not be able to have detuned double sawtooth or double pulse patches? We'll see. If the price is very low, it won't be so much of a bummer tho.

I can't see the engineers making that mistake though. Awaiting more specs to clear up this question.
I agree; this question would be a big deal. Uli or someone in the know, please answer this. It is the only question that is making me worry a bit. I would buy it on release if it has a true second DCO.
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Originally Posted by SimonInAustralia ➑️

He might have a point if ...
He *does* have a point. He said:
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"If I showed a picture of an Alpha Juno and a picture of a Juno 106, let's assume/pretend you've never tried them, and asked you which would be easier and faster to program wouldn't you be able to make a guess? Wouldn't that be judging on usability without having tried?"
I agree with his logic 100%. You can argue until you're blue in the face. He's right.
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I agree with his logic 100%. You can argue until you're blue in the face. He's right.
His logic is correct, if we were in a thread talking about a Behringer Alpha Juno release, but we aren't, and it isn't.
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Originally Posted by SimonInAustralia ➑️
His logic is correct, if we were in a thread talking about a Behringer Alpha Juno release, but we aren't, and it isn't.
We'll agree to disgree! But you're wrong!
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Originally Posted by Synth Guru ➑️
Personally I like the name of this synth "Deep Mind 12" I must admit, it's an unusual name for a musical instrument. I can relate to the name and I think it's fitting. Ever since I can remember I've had a very active imagination and I never stop thinking. This continues even as I sleep and results in very powerful vivid dreams that rival reality itself at times.

When I play my synths or listen to someone else playing my mind can reach a state of deep relaxation with feelings of peace & tranquility. Other times I reach a trance like state as if in deep meditation. I believe its due to the sound frequencies that synths generate similar to the alpha waves generated by the human mind.

Anyways, a very kool name IMHO. Me likes!
Thank you for your comment Synth Guru. Please allow me to jump in here, as this very much resonates with me and is exactly the reason why I have chosen the name "DeepMind".

While my personal background is more related to the traditional classical and jazz piano, the emotional experience that this synthesizer has evoked in me is best described as "mind-blowing" and I am not stating this, because my name is on the instrument. I am sure many of you have the same wonderful and highly emotive experience when playing your own musical instrument. And isn't this exactly what music is about?

Over the several years that we developed and fine-tuned the DeepMind12, I have spent endless amount of hours in front of this instrument and every time, its unlimited sounds and possibilities carried me into a different state of mind - very much in line with Synth Guru.
The fascinating part is that your mental experience dramatically increases as you add polyphony, effects and in particular analog sound generation and processing. It is exactly the inaccuracy, vividness and richness of analog that our mind relates to, very similar to a real orchestra where all instruments are slightly out of tune or beat. After all it is the imperfection of sound that appeals to us human beings.

I have also encountered the very same phenomenon when the artists seen in the videos played the synthesizer for the first time. We recorded and captured their true emotions playing the DeepMind12; just to dispel rumors, none of them were paid for these videos or presented with scripts.

I truly believe the DeepMind12 is a very different instrument and hence we felt it deserves a very different name. Of course I understand that names are highly subjective and I respect that not all of you like my choice. So simply blame me for it:-)

Perhaps I can invite you to share with us your proposals for products and names? We are currently hiring 30 synthesizer product specialists and engineers for our new Synthesizer Division. Our ambitious vision is to embark on a comprehensive synthesizer journey. Like you, we are incredibly passionate about synthesizers.

Thank you.

Uli

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Originally Posted by Uli Behringer ➑️
Thank you for your comment Synth Guru. Please allow me to jump in here, as this very much resonates with me and is exactly the reason why I have chosen the name "DeepMind".

Over the several years that we developed and fine-tuned the DeepMind12, I have spent endless amount of hours in front of this instrument and every time, its sounds and endless possibilities carried me into a different state of mind - very much in line with Synth Guru.

Uli
Yes, now the name makes perfect sense - it is a fitting name after all - it is true that when you get into synth programming, it's a very deep cerebral/mental experience. Thank you for explaining that Uli!
Old 31st July 2016
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@ Uli Behringer Polyphonic Aftertouch would deepen things further , I hope this could still be implemented if not already . Mod Matrix pics just say Aftertouch , please make it poly .

edit Obviously I mean the synth engine modulation response , too late for a new keyboard I know.

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Old 31st July 2016
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Everyone was totally freaked out with the name iNUKE until they ended up in practically everyone's amp racks - those who are running passive anyway. Now no one even thinks twice about it.

Deep Mind is definitely just as weird, but I'm sure we'll all get used to it. I'm good with it anyway.

Thanks for continuing to check in Uli
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Moog set the bar pretty low with Phatty, Deep Mind is fine.
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IMO, don't take naming suggestions from the internet or forums. That's how you end up with names like "Boaty McBoatface"

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Synthy McSynthface?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uli Behringer ➑️

Perhaps I can invite you to share with us your proposals for products and names? We are currently hiring 30 synthesizer product specialists and engineers for our new Synthesizer Division. Our ambitious vision is to embark on a comprehensive synthesizer journey. Like you we are incredibly passionate about synthesizers.

Thank you.

Uli
Synthesizer Division? Great to hear that there is already plans for more.
And don't pay too much attention to any negative comments, it is totally impossible to please everyone here.
Old 31st July 2016
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My first synth is going to be called "TwistinRandomKnobsTillItSoundsGood"

Oh and Ive copywrited that name so dont get ahead of yourself Uli
Old 31st July 2016
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The name DeepMind12 is A-OK with me. Soon enough I'll be using it to make music.
Old 31st July 2016
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Old 31st July 2016
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Ideas for Uli:

1. A version with 61 keys, and polyphonic after touch.

2. I'd only stick with analog when it's called for. Digital synths are great fun, and usually offer more synthesis options.

Since the Virus became abandonware, there is a huge gap in the market for a multi part digital poly with massive power and soft integration. Many many people would kill for a ti3 with usb3 or Ethernet and more power.

3. Since hardware is big again, it would be nice if someone came out with a mixing solution for all this new hardware. Roland tried but the Aira mixer is really for Roland gear. Give us a 16 channel line mixer with effect sequencing and a cross fader. Give it direct outs, hardware inserts, and lots of sexy sidechain action.

4. I'd love to see Behringers take on an analog filter box. Something like the Sherman or Schippman but with an Elektron style sequencer attached. Give it at least two filters per channel, and unique options for comb filtering, formant, feedback, etc.

5. Give us an analog plate reverb for under 1000 dollars. Nothing else sounds like it.
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