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Old 26th February 2013 | Show parent
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Full parameter guide up on the Korg site.

http://www.korg.com/uploads/Support/...KORG_PG_E1.pdf
Old 26th February 2013 | Show parent
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I am in the market for a performance oriented VA and I am waiting to see what Clavia has up their sleeve @ Messe (they have been dropping hints that they have "not forgotten their synth roots") as I am partial to the Nord 1/2 sound.

And while I am no sure if I am sold on the "Champaign" color, I admit I have become more and more interested in the KK since the initial announcement. Historically I have been a Yamaha synth head, but all I can say is good for Korg - I just love what they have been up to these last few years.
Old 26th February 2013
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Oh **** no... it has the dreaded category buttons. I didn't realize that. I've always hated those things, they remind me too much of home organs.
Old 26th February 2013 | Show parent
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The parameter guide (PDF) is posted at the Korg site.

P.S. Categories are Synth, Lead, Bass, Brass, Strings, Piano, Key, SE/Voc, User. (So no Dubstep category.)
Old 26th February 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Rimwolf ➡️
The parameter guide (PDF) is posted at the Korg site.
You didn't see 3 posts above then
Old 26th February 2013
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Just had a quick look through the manual and it looks great. If you are familiar with the Korg Radias, it's like having every option that was exclusive to just OSC 1 on all three oscillators. If I'm reading this correctly, that's pretty amazing. VPM for all three oscillators pushes it a little toward the FM territory.
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Originally Posted by grasspike ➡️
Also FWIW Yamaha never held the patent for FM synthesis it was licensed by them from Stanford University. Standford's patent for FM expired in 1995 and went into the Public Domain since then anyone can build FM synths without paying any royalties to anyone
Well, I stand corrected. I'd heard that Yamaha had bought the rights up, but as usual the net is full of rumors.

I know what you mean as far as squeezing MOD-7 into a box, but apparently FM is simply too complex to be as popular as VA or sampling. If people have trouble coming to grips with basic subtractive synthesis, it's no wonder people use FM synths as preset boxes and scrounge the net for patches.

This, combined with the fact that a manufacturer would have to compete a new hardware unit with the affordable used market swamped with FM synths as well as even cheaper softies - and free crackware, I can understand their reluctance to get into it with a new piece of electronics. I suspect that sometime, KORG, Yamaha or someone will work up the guts to do it with something snazzy to make it worth our while. In the meantime, there is that bodacious Kronos.

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Originally Posted by Rimwolf ➡️
The parameter guide (PDF) is posted at the Korg site.

P.S. Categories are Synth, Lead, Bass, Brass, Strings, Piano, Key, SE/Voc, User. (So no Dubstep category.)
Oh thank God. heh But thanks for the manual links - first to flat earth, will have to have a read soon.

By the way, with Katsunori-sensei doing a review already, this may mean that Japan will be getting theirs soon, so America and Europe can't be too far behind, manual translations allowing. And as usual, he makes the most mundane patches sound spiffy, and the big ones, monumental. I was particularly keen to see his review, even hardly understanding a word of Nihonese.
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Originally Posted by synthguy ➡️

By the way, with Katsunori-sensei doing a review already....
That guy is so cool and fun to watch lol. (even if he always looks like he has some kind of private joke going on lol). The KK sounded lovely and lush in that demo. Little dissapointed he didn't spend a bit longer on the strings section, but otherwise, I can hear, this is a very nice, rich sounding VA. Those OB filters sounded fantastic.

I'm even pondering selling Nord Lead and JD800 to fund one of these.
Old 27th February 2013 | Show parent
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That guy is so cool and fun to watch lol. (even if he always looks like he has some kind of private joke going on lol).
He's just really excited. In every video he just says how amazing everything is all the time.
Old 27th February 2013
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i dont know the price of this, but i cant imagine it would be better then the smaller companies..... nord, radikal, virus, and even the older stuff from the big companies, a z1 can be had pretty cheaply.... i would rather have one of those.... or a radikal technologies accelerator....

the demos seem ok on this though,
Old 28th February 2013 | Show parent
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i dont know the price of this, but i cant imagine it would be better then the smaller companies..... nord, radikal, virus, and even the older stuff from the big companies, a z1 can be had pretty cheaply.... i would rather have one of those.... or a radikal technologies accelerator....

the demos seem ok on this though,
$1499 US. Frankly this sounds better than many of the things you listed, and includes sounds they don't, like piano etc.
Old 28th February 2013 | Show parent
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$1499 US. Frankly this sounds better than many of the things you listed, and includes sounds they don't, like piano etc.
$1299 is the price at the big retailers.
Old 28th February 2013
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I like how in the Musitrak video he shows a preset called "1984" and it is the synth sound from Jump on the Van Halen album 1984, he doesn't play it but when he is playing some of the bass patches he skips by a preset called "Tom Sawyer" which I am guessing is the bass patch from Tom Sawyer from Rush. I wonder how many more there are like that?
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Originally Posted by Rimwolf ➡️
$1299 is the price at the big retailers.
Ah, even better.

Quote:
Originally Posted by grasspike ➡️
I like how in the Musitrak video he shows a preset called "1984" and it is the synth sound from Jump on the Van Halen album 1984, he doesn't play it but when he is playing some of the bass patches he skips by a preset called "Tom Sawyer" which I am guessing is the bass patch from Tom Sawyer from Rush. I wonder how many more there are like that?
Almost every synth these days comes with a bunch of prog rock presets with soundalike names - on the run, shine on you crazy diamond, Tom Sawyer etc.
Old 28th February 2013
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t looks really good, i dont think it would sound better then a virus or accelerator,

i guess it just depends on what someone would use, i use a lot of the granular, wavetable, and fm stuff on my virus and g2, but the king looks good, i am not meaning to say it doesn't, i just haven't got a lot of trust in the big 3 for these kind of things anymore, i may just be a but paranoid or a nay sayer, but i will try it out for sure when its in the store,
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Just had a quick look through the manual and it looks great. If you are familiar with the Korg Radias, it's like having every option that was exclusive to just OSC 1 on all three oscillators. If I'm reading this correctly, that's pretty amazing. VPM for all three oscillators pushes it a little toward the FM territory.
Yes, I admit the oscillators are very cool. The obvious problem I see with this synth: They kind of forgot to throw in at least two additional envelopes.

So every single Oscillator has at least one parameter I would want to modulate (yes, even unison detune is useful to modulate). Preferably I would like to modulate them with an envelope. But there are only 2 Envelopes!!!!

Even Access realized after a decade or two that more envelopes than two are useful.

Add to that, that even the Motif has dual filters (per voice or whatever the single oscillator thing is called in Yamaha speak these days).

One or two parameter per FX also sounds a bit minimalist...

Don´t get wrong, some of the sounds sound gorgeous and I´m pretty sure you can do some fun stuff with what´s there, it could just be so much more with a bit more effort.

It kind of feels, like Korg really wants to keep the distance between it´s entry level stuff and the Kronos...
Old 1st March 2013 | Show parent
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Don´t get wrong, some of the sounds sound gorgeous and I´m pretty sure you can do some fun stuff with what´s there, it could just be so much more with a bit more effort.

It kind of feels, like Korg really wants to keep the distance between it´s entry level stuff and the Kronos...
This is what I've been thinking all along, even before I got to spend some quality time on a Kronos. The VA non-FM synth engines on Kronos are superb, but they do have some shortcomings. AL-1 isn't "the synth to rule them all" I hoped it to be, but rather an extremely flexible semi-modular synth, kind of the ultimate KORG synth. As such, while it doesn't have modeled filters, it does have parameters that give them a Moog quality, an Oberheim sound, a Prophet character etc. Very flexible, and it does some astonishing things, but it's not the same as Minimoog V or Minimonsta, Prophet V or OP-X Pro. Plus the oscillators do some funny warbling when you use LFO modulated hard sync or FM in some configurations.

So King KORG sounds like they spent the time to model those elements right, and put in the minimum modulation capabilities you'd expect on a very good vintage analog. It's enough to give you the tools to make some superb sounds, but it makes the Prophet-12 look killer with its wealth of modulation options. And this may be the choices KORG made to give each of their keyboards the range of sex appeal to make you want both. I can't blame them too much in that regard, and I do want both those synths, AND the Prophet-12. Hey, I can't help it, I'm the classic example of a gear slut.
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That guy is so cool and fun to watch lol. (even if he always looks like he has some kind of private joke going on lol). The KK sounded lovely and lush in that demo. Little dissapointed he didn't spend a bit longer on the strings section, but otherwise, I can hear, this is a very nice, rich sounding VA. Those OB filters sounded fantastic.

I'm even pondering selling Nord Lead and JD800 to fund one of these.
Am I hallucinating? Flat Earth waxing poetic over a VA? You must now think the Earth is round!?
I really like the sound of this synth as well. The fact it is multi-timbral is nice. Dig all the filter options as well. The filter option sounds good. To draw an analogy, this is like a JP 8000 on roids. Every once and again a good usable VA hits the market. Korg is on a serious roll that I hope continues. I guess Roland and Yamaha are going in different directions.....
Old 7th March 2013
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Has anyone had the chance to play one, or even bought one yet?

These are in my local music store already, just haven't had the chance to get down there yet, maybe at the weekend, or next week...

£1000 uk...still seems a bit steep....but need to hear in the flesh
Old 7th March 2013
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i wish, dont think they hit the states yet. Im interested in the pcm bank for osc's 1-3. Being it has a tube i bet the rhodes sound good pre-synthesizing, interesting board. Also wonder if i could hook my moog to this via a 1/4 to xlr for the fx ?
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I usually don't care about synth names enough for it to affect my purchasing decission. For example Little Phatty bothers some people to that degree. Korg Kronos was bad, then they made it worse by adding a red X, but I'd still buy one. King Korg crosses my embarrassment threshold. It sounds like monster truck name.
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I usually don't care about synth names enough for it to affect my purchasing decission. For example Little Phatty bothers some people to that degree. Korg Kronos was bad, then they made it worse by adding a red X, but I'd still buy one. King Korg crosses my embarrassment threshold. It sounds like monster truck name.
So if you met or have a groovy chick who had what it took (within reason) you'd not be with her if her name was.....Fred?
Who cares about names!
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So if you met or have a groovy chick who had what it took (within reason) you'd not be with her if her name was.....Fred?
Who cares about names!
Like I said, I thought I didn't.
Old 7th March 2013
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the name does cheapen it a little.
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the name does cheapen it a little.
I agree. Im not too hot on the name either, but I can see past that.

Tbh, I actually found the 'Super' prefix on my old JX10 a little corney tbh.


...although I think the word 'Splendid' should be used on a synth

Introducing the new 'Rolakorg Splendid-Station'

I would buy 6 for instance.
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Certainly not true, as you will have to realize if you listen to this excellent demo, which is the best KK demo, I've heard so far...

This synth is good, very, very good!



Listening to this, I just know if I bought one, after the initial novelty of a new piece of hardware had worn off I'd compare it to my best soft synths and then sell it on.

I'd try one out on the 2nd hard market when they were around £400? tops. I don't need another computer in my studio with software on it. For live? yes it looks very handy and a good enough sound, in the studio there's no need to make sound compromises just because something is 'new and shiny'. I've heard nothing in the above video that I've not heard from soft synths. And I've heard much more 'body' to the sound in old (non VA) digitals.

Sorry to go against the general opinion here, but that video tires my ears it sounds just like all the other VAs, hollow, whispy, uninspiring.

Supporting VAs is like giving these companies permission to charge you lots of money for (better available elsewhere cheaper/DSP style) software in a shiny box.
Old 11th March 2013
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After reading the manual, it seems there is no real osc sync, there is, but you dont have full control on it, and you cannot do osc sync + fm and ring mod..
Old 11th March 2013
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I've played on in a local store and although it was nice to play, controls well laid out etc, it didn't really blow me away...certainly not for £1000, way overpriced.

It sort of seem to specialise on cheesy 80's patches, nothing wrong with that and of course you can very easily modify sounds, change oscillatos and filters but it has a certain sound, the same way that the Novation has a certain sound. It seems that these digital synths although can make tons of different sounds they all have a similar sort of aftertaste.... I like it, but couldn't love it.....it would be worth getting for as person said above for £400 to replace cheesy soft synths, its good for hands on fun, but after 2 hours of playing around, I'd had my fill......

very much looking forward to later in april for a shoot out between ms-20 v subphatty!!
Old 11th March 2013
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I'd really like a KK. Alas, the more I think about it, the more I think;

A. It's WAY over-priced

B. For a grand, I could have a Juno 60 or something else that'll probably hold its value better.
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After reading the manual, it seems there is no real osc sync, there is, but you dont have full control on it, and you cannot do osc sync + fm and ring mod..
It's weird how limited it is in some ways compared to the Radias.

While the Radias seems to have been intended to compete with the top VAs of the time, the King Korg seems to have been completely repurposed, though I'm not quite sure who for. Live performance obviously, but whose live performance? What is it supposed to compete with?


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