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Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by MetaMorphy ➑️
NOOOO! Delayed again until September. I had mine per-ordered two months ago only to get a call today letting me know it is once again delayed coming from Korgs mouth. God damn you Korg for not preparing yourself with more stock. *shakes fist* You are torturing me. I have wanted this keyboard since I was 10 years old, I could never afford the original because I always told myself if I did get one it would have to be mint. Which those are expensive as hell.

Now I can finally afford one.. I am thankful for that but these delays are killing me. I see two on Amazon from Japan but I am not willing to take that risk. Called tons of places to see if I could get it somewhere else here but they all tell me the same thing, delayed and too high of a demand.



You are lucky
Keep trying! I tried ordering 6(!) times all in all before I found somewhere with them in stock. Well, one in stock which I grabbed. heh

The only thing I really don't like about this synth is that even the main output is a mini jack. I wish they'd have either made that a standard quarter inch, or hidden an additional quarter inch hidden round the back to keep its look authentic. Oh well. I guess if I was willing to void the warranty and not such a klutz with a soldering iron, I could add this on myself.
Old 6th July 2013
  #3182
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Just got mine today! Finally!! Ok, so I haven't done much with it yet, but I will say that I'm disappointed with the noise issue. I've been messing around and going through the patch book. The Flute 1 patch is pretty horrible, but things got better after that. It's not a deal breaker, but yeah, the noise is definitely there...and more noticeable than I was anticipating. I really wanted to be one of the guys that had no complaints. Has anyone tried to calibrate this thing?? Do I just need to turn a couple trimpots?
Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3183
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Originally Posted by horseface ➑️
Keep trying! I tried ordering 6(!) times all in all before I found somewhere with them in stock. Well, one in stock which I grabbed. heh

The only thing I really don't like about this synth is that even the main output is a mini jack. I wish they'd have either made that a standard quarter inch, or hidden an additional quarter inch hidden round the back to keep its look authentic. Oh well. I guess if I was willing to void the warranty and not such a klutz with a soldering iron, I could add this on myself.
Probably a normal jack would be too deep as there is a PCB right behind it. But yeah, regular jack round the back next to the other I/O would be a nice gesture.
Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by MetaMorphy ➑️
God damn you Korg for not preparing yourself with more stock. *shakes fist*
I see a lot of people feel the same way but i reckon that Korg are well prepared.
They originally announced it would be available in spring. Well they got them out for late spring anyway.
They didn't promise to fulfill all orders immediately & it looks like some people will be still waiting next year at this rate.
You have my sympathies ,i was buzzin' about getting one & o.k, i got lucky with an early preorder but i do remember the tension of waiting...

...My fingernails have all grown back now & it was without a doubt worth the wait. I won't be getting rid of this synth but it's the first time i ever felt so exited about a material object !...& the last time i ever bother to preorder.
Next time i want something so bad i'll wait the extra year. Tons of people are having the exact same scenario with the Volca's.

You know , the trouble with some of us is that we have our eye on the ball a bit to close. We see things like trade show footage & get the heads up as early as possible....A lot of people don't see these products until retailers put out the advert's. By that time we all go bonkers ! It's not worth it.

Before the WWW things were better (Just kidding)
Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3185
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This is not a do-everything synth. I think of it as a knife sharpener which puts a serrated edge on other sounds in a track. That's where this thing shines.
I've managed to make a couple patches so far where the LP filter is as low as 2 without noise. Keep trying different settings and you'll probably discover some patches where you won't care about flute sounds. The patches in the manual are not that inspiring. I'll admit the filters have only about a 75% range but within that range lies plenty of material.
It's not a Jupiter 8 and it's not trying to be. I guess you'll either love it or hate it.
Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3186
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If you want flute sounds.......Get a flute !
Or a decent v/a.
Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3187
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sensorfold ➑️
This is not a do-everything synth. I think of it as a knife sharpener which puts a serrated edge on other sounds in a track. That's where this thing shines.
I've managed to make a couple patches so far where the LP filter is as low as 2 without noise. Keep trying different settings and you'll probably discover some patches where you won't care about flute sounds. The patches in the manual are not that inspiring. I'll admit the filters have only about a 75% range but within that range lies plenty of material.
It's not a Jupiter 8 and it's not trying to be. I guess you'll either love it or hate it.
I think there is enough audio/video material on YouTube to keep you busy for months and it will give you a perfectly clear picture what to expect from the MS20.

I remember when I got my MS20 way back in '82 all the information I had were the patches in the manual giving me some global indication of the possibilities. As it was my only tool, I had no other option than if I needed a flute like sound, the MS20 would sound like a flute (or any other sound for that matter)
Old 6th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3188
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does anyone prefer the sound of the new one compared to the original?
Old 7th July 2013
  #3189
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I prefer the sound of the mk2 OTA, more versatile, no noise, better basses.

Sent from my SC-03E
Old 7th July 2013
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American Musical Supply apparently has some in stock. Just throwing that out there.
Old 9th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3191
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Really enjoying the MS20 Mini, just got an El Capistan today and had to record a quick snippet of the MS20 with it enjoy!

Old 9th July 2013
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ah can sound kind of "warm" not just insane. Nice demo!
Old 9th July 2013 | Show parent
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Does someone have any idea on how I would patch the sequencer to the MS-20 Mini? I have tried a few things, I am new to analog semi-modular synthesis, and the only thing that I've managed to do is to make the MS-20 respond to the rate of the sequencer, not the level knobs, and not really the on/off switches either, because if I turn a switch to off, there is still a sound on that step. If the picture isn't clear high-res enough, the outputs on the sequencer are Trig out (1 & 2, because there are 2 channels) and CV out (1 & 2).

Edit: What I have managed to do so far is to make the sequencer trig the Mini. I wire the trig out to the signal in on the Mini's ESP, and the trig out from the ESP to the trig in of the Mini, and by doing that it reacts to the rate knob. Also, by tweaking the signal level and threshold level of the ESP I've managed to use the on/off switches to terminate the sound, but the sequencer still makes a sound on some steps, as if sound is leaking though the steps or something. I still haven't managed to use the CV outputs for anything, but I wonder if that is because of my inexperience of patching or of the incapability of the synth/sequencer (if they are).



Any suggestions?
Old 9th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3194
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanderlyle ➑️
Does someone have any idea on how I would patch the sequencer to the MS-20 Mini? I have tried a few things, I am new to analog semi-modular synthesis, and the only thing that I've managed to do is to make the MS-20 respond to the rate of the sequencer, not the level knobs, and not really the on/off switches either, because if I turn a switch to off, there is still a sound on that step. If the picture isn't clear high-res enough, the outputs on the sequencer are Trig out (1 & 2, because there are 2 channels) and CV out (1 & 2).



Any suggestions?
i have a suggestion:

connect trigger out of the sequencer to trig in on the ms20 (2 sockets down and one across from the phones output)

connect CV out of the sequencer to CV in on the ms20 (socket above trigger in)

use the on/off switches (the 8 switches in a row) in the 'off' position to insert a 'rest' in the sequence at that point.

all this is a guess as i have never seen that sequencer before.
Old 10th July 2013
  #3195
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Woo-oo - it's here! 15 minute review... scale 1-10... greater detail below the list...

1) Unwanted noise - hiss: maybe a 1
2) Unwanted noise - keyboard "thump": 2
3) Desired noise: 10+
4) Fun 10+

So I just had to check the noise. I had everything on 0 except the EG2 sustain and volume on 10 (and the LPF on 10, but you knew that). Yes, when I press a key and hold it there is a little hiss. But frankly, I'm not going to be holding keys down with no noises turned on. Keyboard "thump": I only experienced this on the key release (not on the down press). Is it there on really quiet stuff? Yes, a little. But even at a setting where I could hear it, it quickly faded into obscurity as I played. And on many/most settings, it wasn't even noticeable. Backing the volume to about 6 helped a lot. However, I accidentally left the volume at 10 and again, any thump just faded from my awareness.

Desired noises? Oh, man, this baby is sweet. There is so much with which to play without even slapping a patch cable in (they are still in the bag).

Fun? The only downside to how much fun I'm going to have is taking time out to give some attention to my wife and home projects.

In addition, I took a whole 30 seconds and plugged my old (but still nice) E-mu Proteus MPS + Orchestral keyboard MIDI-out to the mini MIDI-in and 56 of the 61 E-mu keys controlled the mini ("lost" the 5 highest keys - about what I had expected/hoped). Sweet.

This puppy has found a permanent home! Woo-hoo, once again!
Old 10th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3196
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I've been recording with the mini this week.
DI into a Helios mic amp and split to gtr amps.
hiss shmiss..it sounds great.
Old 10th July 2013
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Just as I expected, HEHEHEHEHE who's hissing now? The Pleasure Snake!
Old 10th July 2013
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has somebody tested the mini ms20 against the virtual ms20 ?

please no analog vs digital discussion...


the virtual ms20 is a bit dated but still good

recreating patches from the virtual one does this work out ?
Old 10th July 2013
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You must be kidding! I kid! No comparison! One is a real object you can touch. It produces sound electrically on wires, not algorithmically in a digi-brain. It has many actual knobs and a real keyboard. It's apples and orange-ish. Pornography vs real human contact. You have just got to try some hardware! I don't see these two competing in any way at all. Speaking for myself I use my hardware synths first every time, where software fills in the gaps. Yes they will sound different also, somewhat in the vein of how CD sounds compared to vinyl or cassette. I do not necessarily imply better and worse, here. The major difference is probably immediacy. Sorry, but, you asked for it!

EDIT: Sometimes I do use software first. Not as often.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by e-smile-z ➑️
has somebody tested the mini ms20 against the virtual ms20 ?

please no analog vs digital discussion...


the virtual ms20 is a bit dated but still good

recreating patches from the virtual one does this work out ?
I'll have to pull out that little mini ms controller out of the closet and check it out to compare..could be kinda interesting .
Old 10th July 2013 | Show parent
  #3201
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Your replacement mini

Quote:
Originally Posted by F041 ➑️
SonicBern- that mini sounds awesome sans processing. a relief. now more optimistic than ever that the replacement I have ordered should be okay. no prob if it's like that. as I said at the get go, no examples I've heard were as bad as the noise I experienced with my first mini.
Have you had your replacement yet? I have just got a mini, and it has a lot of hiss as mentioned all over the forums. I'm really enjoying it nonetheless. However as I am nowhere near a shop it is difficult to compare to another model, so I am keen to know if your replacement is the same as the first one!
Old 10th July 2013
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just a couple of links to some posts of mine on the analogue drums thread.

if you're interested in making drum sounds on your MS20mini, you may find this interesting

sound examples:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/9213728-post25.html

and

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/9213748-post26.html

patch ideas
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/9215224-post30.html

edit: it's all original MS20, not MS20mini
Old 10th July 2013 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by e-smile-z ➑️
has somebody tested the mini ms20 against the virtual ms20 ?

please no analog vs digital discussion...
Talking about testing the mini against the virtual ms20 would be discussing analog vs digital ! Sorry , can't help !
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Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeyxx ➑️
You must be kidding! I kid! No comparison! One is a real object you can touch. It produces sound electrically on wires, not algorithmically in a digi-brain. It has many actual knobs and a real keyboard. It's apples and orange-ish. Pornography vs real human contact. You have just got to try some hardware! I don't see these two competing in any way at all. Speaking for myself I use my hardware synths first every time, where software fills in the gaps. Yes they will sound different also, somewhat in the vein of how CD sounds compared to vinyl or cassette. I do not necessarily imply better and worse, here. The major difference is probably immediacy. Sorry, but, you asked for it!
+1.
Old 10th July 2013 | Show parent
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My mini shipped from Moog Audio in Montreal yesterday. Should arrive at my house sometime this afternoon.

They told me I was #3 of 66 orders in total. Placed order on January 25th.
Old 10th July 2013
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I ordered mine from Japan in june and it arrived four days after it was shipped, to Sweden. So if you're thinking of buying an MS-20 Mini and don't want to wait, order it from Japan.

ALSO! Does anyone know how I would go about sequencing the Mini via the USB (since I'm quite sure I have some compatibility issues with the analog step sequencer I bought)? And is it possible to record the Mini using only the USB and a DAW, with no interface (just a quick guess, no, because the USB doesn't send an audio signal?)
Old 10th July 2013
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You'd need an audio interface to record it since USB doesn't pass audio(you answered your own question) and I'd assume that it would just be plug and play so you would have to find the midi config in your DAW and enable the MS-20.
Old 10th July 2013
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Originally Posted by itege ➑️
You'd need an audio interface to record it since USB doesn't pass audio(you answered your own question) and I'd assume that it would just be plug and play so you would have to find the midi config in your DAW and enable the MS-20.
It is definately plug and play. I used it as a controller in Reaper just the other day via the usb.
Old 11th July 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by e-smile-z ➑️

has somebody tested the mini ms20 against the virtual ms20 ?
SOS review: OASYS MS20-EX

"...The MS20 in OASYS uses Korg's Component Modelling Technology, which [...] models the original synth right down to component level...The results retained the characteristic, peaky, aggressive sound of the original synth, but took it into realms that I couldn't even imagine when I was gigging with my MS20 sitting on top of a Logan String Synth in the late '70s!...Yes, it's nice to know that MS20-EX can emulate the grittiness, distortion and occasional instabilities of the MS20 (which it can), but it would be daft to base a conclusion of its worth on this. I prefer to think of MS20-EX less as a polyphonic MS20 than as a powerful new polysynth [48 voices] that is made more usable by a control panel that I grew to love (and hate) in 1978...."



Quote:
Originally Posted by e-smile-z ➑️

please no analog vs digital discussion...


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12 voice polyphonic MOOG Sub Phatty with built in effects...
Old 11th July 2013 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by e-smile-z ➑️
has somebody tested the mini ms20 against the virtual ms20 ?

please no analog vs digital discussion...


the virtual ms20 is a bit dated but still good

recreating patches from the virtual one does this work out ?
I was planning on trying this when I eventually get my mini.
Not for a "shootout", more for learning how to program sounds, especially with the patching, which I'm not 100% familiar with.
There are some pretty good presets on the plugin version.
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