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Old 14th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1951
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Reading the review in Music technology mag, the explanation of how the oscilators work is sounding close to sample replay, i.e. A glorified rompler.
Sounds as about as an inaccurate a description as you could give.
AFAIK they are algorithmically generated so you can modulate them in various ways and get what is effectively a different waveform every cycle. That's pretty much the opposite of a rompler.

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Still I do not understand the price difference between the prophet 12 and the P08 other than having 4 filters more.
Try 16 filters more - there's 12 analogue hi-pass filters.
There's also DSPs, 4 distortions, a rather nice OLED display and a better case.
The internal PSU will also have put up the cost due to certification requirements.
Old 15th October 2013
  #1952
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Plus the update rate for the modulation routings is 11KHz or so, meaning that nearly everything can be modulated at audio rate.

Anyone who thinks the Prophet 12 is overpriced is welcome to corner the market by releasing a cheaper competitor with multiple SHARC DSPs, 24 resonant analog filters, 48 delay lines, tons of knobs, etc, for a lower price. Good luck with that.
Old 15th October 2013
  #1953
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any word on the stability of the P12 OS (vs. the rather rough start to the Tempest's)?
Old 15th October 2013
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Rock solid
Old 15th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1955
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Rock solid
Other than the intermittent "boot to random program slot" bug.....it IS rock solid!
Old 15th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1956
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It's not exactly a "bug," the last loaded program just isn't saved unless you save the program. The global save handling changed since our older instruments so we have to do it slightly differently. I'll add that feature in an update after I figure out a couple small details

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Other than the intermittent "boot to random program slot" bug.....it IS rock solid!
Old 15th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1957
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Originally Posted by Pym ➑️
It's not exactly a "bug," the last loaded program just isn't saved unless you save the program. The global save handling changed since our older instruments so we have to do it slightly differently. I'll add that feature in an update after I figure out a couple small details
Thanks for your comment, Pym! Actually, my calling it a "bug" is quoting yourself in a prior post (not going to seek it out right now...but as my memory recalls, you said it was a "small bug"). No matter. The P12 is a work of art! And that small bother is of no major significance. Once you get it sorted into an update it will be appreciated for sure, however. Thank you again!

Ron
Old 16th October 2013
  #1958
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just wanted to say i had another go at the P12 yesterday with a different set of patches... and this synth is really starting to grow on me.. i'll concede there is more then meets the eye on this one.. a bit like tempest actually where i wasn't initially impressed with any of the online demos i heard and it even took a while for it's community to come up with really strong sounds.. anyways i noticed on some presets there was almost a sequence running with a background beat.. i'm assuming this is some kind of arp trickery using voices/layers??
Old 16th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1959
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Lyynk Demo Prophet 12 - YouTube

Demo of the Prophet 12 in a vintage, old school style's with sometimes a little FM, Drive.
No external eq (I used LPF and HPF of the synth for that) , no external FX and no External Audio Processing.
I have not used factory sound but preferring create own sounds
I just recorded, mixed (volume only) and applied fade in, fade out in Cubase. For spacialisation I used the Pan Spread and sometimes an LFO set to pan.
I wanted to show what can be the raw synth tools without additional productions.

www.lyynkstudio.com
Old 16th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1960
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Originally Posted by lyynk ➑️
Lyynk Demo Prophet 12 - YouTube

Demo of the Prophet 12 in a vintage, old school style's with sometimes a little FM, Drive.
No external eq (I used LPF and HPF of the synth for that) , no external FX and no External Audio Processing.
I have not used factory sound but preferring create own sounds
I just recorded, mixed (volume only) and applied fade in, fade out in Cubase. For spacialisation I used the Pan Spread and sometimes an LFO set to pan.
I wanted to show what can be the raw synth tools without additional productions.

www.lyynkstudio.com
That was awesome! Love the P12 tone! Great work.
Old 17th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1961
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Lyynk Demo Prophet 12 - YouTube

Demo of the Prophet 12 in a vintage, old school style's with sometimes a little FM, Drive ...
Great demo! One of the rare synth demos I actually like, both soundwise and musically
Old 18th October 2013
  #1962
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Just curious, does the P12 have any kind of random patch/generator mode btw ?
Old 19th October 2013
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The soundtower editor does, although with such a wide palette pure random generation often produces nothing but noise (or silence).

I'm still too hamfisted, and I need to spend some time with a single oscillator to figure out all the options here!
Old 19th October 2013
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The soundtower editor does, although with such a wide palette pure random generation often produces nothing but noise (or silence).

I'm still too hamfisted, and I need to spend some time with a single oscillator to figure out all the options here!
Old 19th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1966
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Few knobs only :(
Old 19th October 2013
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Gosh, announcement on non non English site, great.

Worried about having limited numbers of pots but we will see
Old 19th October 2013
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I was hoping they would do like Nord Lead or Access Virus where the hands on interface would stay the same with all the knobs and buttons

Instead they went again (like sort of tetra from prophet 8) with a digital-box minimal interface type of things. That's how you take some of the analogue experience out of a synth. That is why I never could bring myself to buy a tetra.

I know the prophet 12 is not fully analogue but selling point here was the very hands on experience...

So on one side you have Virtual Analoge offerings like Nord Lead Rack and Access Virus Racks looking and feeling (interface) very analogue... And on the other side you have some with the Dave Smith heritage but looking and feeling (interface) just like a digital synth box (tetra and prophet 12 rack).

I can see they doing it to reach a lower price point while hopefully offering same synth engine and ins/outs at the back
And I can also think they do it this way so that the rack version is at a very different price point (much lower) then the P12 keyboard, to not compete against each other and not upset production plans

But wondering if the P12 rack lost not only knobs but also filters etc... To keep size costs down

So for now disappointed at first look/feel, I had money ready for a fully specked P12 Rack
But giving them the benefit of the doubt in case the engine/internal specs are the same and because the rack interface may be more practical then what I think... And finally I don't know the price...

But with such a cut down interface My money would go elsewhere unless the price is Much Much lower than full P12 and a no-brainer-price.

So for now money is in my pocket and ball in your court dear DSI
Old 19th October 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Hokut ➑️
in case the engine/internal specs are the same
well, this seems obvious to me.

P12 is not a down-scaleable synthesizer [a mono version could make sense, but a version with different modulation, osc, filters etc definitely wouldn't. Not even from a production/cost point of view - complete reeingineering etc]
Old 19th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1970
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First post, but been forum reading for some time.

Just wanted to add this, as I think a lot of folks have been waiting for it.

If you go here in Google Chrome it will translate, but I think the pics speak for themselves.

January NAMM according to Dave

Interview & Top News: Dave Smith Prophet 12 Module (Rack) - Seite 7 von 8 - AMAZONA.de

Last edited by MakesSynthToMe; 19th October 2013 at 05:34 PM.. Reason: Late post
Old 19th October 2013 | Show parent
  #1971
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Way to blow the first post. Late as always..LOL
Old 19th October 2013
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Hope nobody minds me cross posting this on two threads, but it's better homed in this one. Here's a 5 min 'demo' of some of my own P12 sounds - it was never meant to be uploaded for public use but I figured it might help. It's absolutely 'raw' - hand played, no MIDI, no quantize, no melodies, no track FX, no compression or finishing touches etc. In that way, it's probably a fairly true representation of the P12 before it hits the 'finished track' process.

........

The sound does need to be tamed. FWIW, Here's a short hand-played sample of some of my own P12 patches. Excuse the messy timing, bum notes and general amateur-ness here.... it was never meant to be anything other than an input test for personal use. I figure it might help folks who've heard nothing but metallic scrapes and atonal noises. Completely dry, direct, levels not optimised, no FX except for the last 20 secs which was a separate audio file where I added Valhalla Room.

Old 19th October 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Persemone ➑️

The sound does need to be tamed.
I don't know if tamed is quite word I'd use but it does take a good while to get to know it.

I'm writing up how to do analogue sounds with the P12. it's not done yet but here's a tip for anyone who has one:


Thickening up the filter
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The curtis lowpass filter can sound thin at the top end.
To thicken up the sound use:

Girth - Turn it up high.
Drive - Only a little is necessary.
Highpass - Keep the cutoff low and turn the resonance up.

A tiny bit of filter modulation by a fast LFO or oscillator is also useful.
Old 21st October 2013 | Show parent
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I had the opportunity to test a P12 today (right after AES) and A/B it with a Voyager on the same set of inexpensive monitors (Guitar Center on 14th street in NYC if anyone else is interested in doing the same comparison).

My initial reaction was that it was sounded thin relative to the Voyager (similar to how my Virus Ti2 sounds relative to my Sub Phatty) and it has a more digital character relative to the P08 (no surprises there). That said I found that it was possible to get a fair variety of tones simply by tweaking the character knobs and other extended oscillator functions. The oscillator slop on the P12 is extreme compared to the P08/Tetra/Mopho, but I have always felt that the slop on those units was too subtle for some sounds. With some oscillator function and filter tweaking I was able to warm up the sound to some extent, but the Voyager still sounded sweeter. On the flip side I felt I was able to obtain a level of crispness and clarity with some sounds that I would normally associate with the Virus. However, it felt a bit more brash and not quite as smooth or as dark. The four additional voices over the P08 were appreciated when using a pad patch with lots of VCA release. I would have to agree with some previous posters that the presets aren't all that great but it isn't a Rompler or Workstation, it is a programmer synth...and it feels great for doing just that.

Due to the knob layout and selection I felt like I could quickly get to any aspect of the sound and make quick adjustments. The display screen was very clear, responsive and informative, one of the better displays I have seen on a synth (none of that uneven washed out backlight crap). The ribbon controllers felt great as additional controllers. The keyed wasn't fantastic but it wasn't horrible either. Overall the build quality of the unit felt solid.

I did not get to spend more then a half hour or so with the unit. Nevertheless, I was still impressed and it is on my wishlist.
Old 21st October 2013 | Show parent
  #1975
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Anyone (current owners) have a suggestion as to a complimentary synth to the P12?

I'm in the midst of rebuilding from scratch and thinking possibly that my new setup will be P12 centric.

Probably in the 600-900 range cost wise, and definitely hardware based. I try to stay away from the PC as much as possible, minus Spark VDM and
OPX-ProII<---(absolutely love btw).
Old 21st October 2013
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Anyone (current owners) have a suggestion as to a complimentary synth to the P12?

I'm in the midst of rebuilding from scratch and thinking possibly that my new setup will be P12 centric.

Probably in the 600-900 range cost wise, and definitely hardware based. I try to stay away from the PC as much as possible, minus Spark VDM and
OPX-ProII<---(absolutely love btw).
How about you try it first, then see what YOU want to compliment it.
Old 21st October 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by MakesSynthToMe ➑️
a complimentary synth to the P12?
for what kind of music?

complementary in which direction?

mono vs poly?
sweet and fat analogue vs hybrid?
bread and butter acoustic emulation vs "a synthesist's synth"?
quasi-preset analogue vs complex experimental machine?
drum/sample/loop machine vs solo+pad machine?

It's tough giving an answer without knowing the question
Old 21st October 2013
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I don't know where to share this, so I'll do it here........

I'm currently aching for a polyphonic synthesizer, and the Prophet08 is my choice. The thing is that I'm also aching for this beast (Prophet12) and I'll possibly buy it next year.

Is it totally crazy to have a setup like this: (?)
Sub Phatty + Little Phatty
Prophet 08 + Prophet 12

I don't know if it is a name thing, but I really like these keyboards. Never really tested the 08 or 12, but I love how it sounds in videos and recordings.

The ones that have this (Prophet12) are really lucky........ unfortunately I live in a very expensive and poor country, in wich a Prophet 12 costs something like U$6k+.

Cheers!
Old 21st October 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cr73645 ➑️
I don't know where to share this, so I'll do it here........

I'm currently aching for a polyphonic synthesizer, and the Prophet08 is my choice. The thing is that I'm also aching for this beast (Prophet12) and I'll possibly buy it next year.

Is it totally crazy to have a setup like this: (?)
Sub Phatty + Little Phatty
Prophet 08 + Prophet 12

I don't know if it is a name thing, but I really like these keyboards. Never really tested the 08 or 12, but I love how it sounds in videos and recordings.

The ones that have this (Prophet12) are really lucky........ unfortunately I live in a very expensive and poor country, in wich a Prophet 12 costs something like U$6k+.

Cheers!
I would get the sub phatty and p12. That would be an amazing combo.
Old 21st October 2013
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Purely from what I hear from demos, SubPhatty and P12 could both be on the cold side of things. I recently got a Voyager and happy with the sound, I was thinking to get a SubPhatty but what I wanted was the Voyager sound for now so that was a better choice for me.
Unless you can totally have the Voyager sound with the SubPhatty then it would be cheaper with Subby
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