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Old 15th February 2013 | Show parent
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Hmmm...
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some people have reported issues when trying to use safari's broswer but other had no issues...might be ad blocking if you can't hear them
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Just listening, they sound like they're all mono but with the right channel louder.
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Originally Posted by cresshead ➑️
currently it's difficult to get a real handle on what the prophet 12 can do
Err... I kind of have a pretty good idea, though it depends on what you mean. If you mean the really arcane, far-out-there sounds that some of the guys around here would love, I'm still thinking most of them can me surmised from the DSI legacy. This is a Dave Smith synth. Those demos sound quite a bit like those from a Poly Evolver.

Now before a certain authority on authority comes along face in hand and schools me on how this isn't a PolyEvolver, I'm kind of up on that. It is more refined, and has quite a few more audio shaping options. You can have four OSCs acting as old style analog guys, or digital wavetables of some kind, with a Sub to boot. Mix and match as you see fit, filter lowpass and highpass, run through not just distortion but a few different digital manglers. Ridiculous modulation options, and knobs galore. Digital delay effects per note. A whole second patch below the first in a B Level to layer or split, and still gives you six note poly.

Still, even though the whole architecture down to the circuit boards and wiring is its own creature, it has a fairly similar cousin in the PolyEvolver, and you can get a rough idea of what some of the patches will sound like from it.

And then to the point of why people try to make big digital monsters like the Prophet 12 sound like some analog from long ago, that kind of thing is inevitable. Vintage analogs are uncommon at the least, and the really good ones aren't that cheap. Priced a Memorymoog lately? When you have a synth with real analog components, why not see how vintage you can get, when you probably don't own a Jupiter-8, Memorymoog, Chroma or CS-80? Besides, you won't sound like them, and will probably discover all kinds of Prophet 12 sounds and directions in the process. Have fun with the patch hunt, I do. Surprises around every knob twist and button press.
Old 15th February 2013 | Show parent
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On VCO / DCO wavetables:

There is another way:

Build one oscillator with multiple simultaneous wave outs. Not just the usual ones but extra wave shapes as well.
An hour or so after typing it, I thought of a better way - the Voyager's continuously variable waveshapes.

Your solution is even more economical, but there'd be a ****load of waveshapers/folders required. Plus, if you wanted two of 'm per voice you'd probably still need some kind of phase reset/hardsync.
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I wonder how those were recorded. Really not impressed at all. :(
Old 15th February 2013
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As a start for examples, I found a very good YouTube of short but enjoyable duration featuring a number of custom sounds on the Poly Evolver Keyboard programmed by the artist. While some of the digital waves will be unique to the PEK, I suspect that the Prophet 12 will sound similar, but go further.



Here are a couple more PEK demos, done as a piece of music with interesting patches.



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Just listening, they sound like they're all mono but with the right channel louder.

Stereo or mono, the punch and edge of the sound still come through. It's a wide, piercing quality.
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Stereo or mono, the punch and edge of the sound still come through. It's a wide, piercing quality.
Only very few of these sounds hint at the possibilities of punch and edge.
Wide and piercing are also not adjectives i would use in context of these samples.

My personal take on these is that the majority of these sounds could have been programmed on more or less any digital from the past ten years...

...but i would not blame that on the synth but rather the programmer, who seems to be fascinated by digital distortion and FM.

More demos!
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When the P12 is finally released can we delete this thread and start over please?
I second that.

But I am afraid that it will contain the usual 5% technical comment, 5% artistic comment, 5% gear lust, 85% pure bull****

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I second that.

But I am afraid that it will contain the usual 5% technical comment, 5% artistic comment, 5% gear lust, 85% pure bull****
This makes me wanna quote something a wise man wrote once (the names have been changed, for relevance):

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charm, understatement and a open mind:

ta-daaaa!!!

Captain Ozy enters the fray
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DCOs




I second that.

But I am afraid that it will contain the usual 5% technical comment, 5% artistic comment, 5% gear lust, 85% pure bull****
And how would you classify yours ? funnily I'd put it in the bull**** category without any regret...This is a public forum about electronic music and instruments, if there's no room for those interested in the technical details behind the design and the marketing of a synth, the respective advantages of dco's/vco's or do's etc..., then the problem may be you and your inability to respect others' interests and positively express yours (if any).

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Just had an idea... Could delay times track the keyboard.. like if I hit c1 the echo will come a second later and as you progress up the keyboard the echos come sooner?

Man I want to play this synth!

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DCOs




I second that.

But I am afraid that it will contain the usual 5% technical comment, 5% artistic comment, 5% gear lust, 85% pure bull****
Ozy you are <deleted by moderator - insulting>

Last edited by Reptil; 15th February 2013 at 11:23 PM.. Reason: it was a JOKE - it might be not the best one, but Ozy DID bring the women's cause to the attention here to a wider audience.
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Well, I am happy I managed to torpedo a 35-pages bashing of Dave Smith

Hopefully the next thread will be open to people really owning and using this new machine (or seriously contemplating ownership and use)
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Morphing is simply a matter of blending at relative volume.
That is not a morph then, that is a crossfade. Morphing is a LOT more complicated than just a volume crossfade.

THIS is a morph:

http://ssc-media.com/Audio/mp3/harpguitdog.mp3
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For wavetables, it is. I know the kind of morph you're talking about, but that's for samples of arbitrary length and pitch, and a wavetable has fixed length and pitch.
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Well those are not very great. Doesn't even sound like they were recorded in stereo. Also, they were recorded with the level so low most of the dynamics are lost. I'll reserve judgment for better audio examples...
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For wavetables, it is. I know the kind of morph you're talking about, but that's for samples of arbitrary length and pitch, and a wavetable has fixed length and pitch.
Not really, morphing implies the interpolation of all parameters by which a data set can be fully recreated. In the case of single cycle waveforms, that would mean the interpolation of every harmonics' amplitude and phase. A crossfade is just the interpolation between the amplitudes of two points in a time domain representation (what happens in the microwave when there are empty entries between two waves in the table, if I remember right).
square->triangle morph
square->triangle crossfade
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ozy, you keep forgetting why you have a tendency to get banned.

So we're back to demos. I was wondering if anyone would sneer at the ones cresshead and rockmanrock posted. I didn't care for them all that much either, but this place is so random, I wasn't sure what the reaction would be. I want more musical patch demos and pieces of music. I have a feeling a lot here want the blippity modulation madness.

The demo makers are kind of stuck. This is about as wide open a synth as you can get this side of a modular, VA or softie, and it steps well into their territories. With FOUR oscillators AND a Sub running through dual resonant filters and a slew of manglers and distorters with FOUR digital delays and FOUR of everything to modulate ANYTHING, what kinds of sounds CAN'T it make? And that's before you even think of layering patches to double that. Thus, basically anything you can think of between Tangerine Dream and Nine Inch Nails is likely on this beast.

So I'm sure whatever anyone does is going to frustrate someone as being worthless. heh

"Too 80s" is likely. So is "not enough blippity", "the WUB isn't like Massive" and "needs more Skrillex." And the ever popular "I'd buy an $800 module - $695 street."

DSI is the other Roland around here, which is fine with me. I have a pretty good idea of what the thing is capable of, and that's why I want it.

By the way,

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Just had an idea... Could delay times track the keyboard.. like if I hit c1 the echo will come a second later and as you progress up the keyboard the echos come sooner?
As I understand it, since Pym has mentioned that there is actually a delay per voice, this is what you should expect. When you twist the delay time knob on a selected delay line - four of each - the delays for those notes will all be adjusted like a traditional delay.

However, if you track delay times with the keyboard, which should be entirely possible since the whole thing is supposed to be open to modulation sources and destinations, each note will be modulated within the engine independently. This means a bass note will have its own delay time, a high note its own, and inverted if you want. Use an envelope as a modulator, and each note will have its times adjusted independently for a flurry of smeared echoes. This really should be a synthesist's dream machine.

By the way, I have a couple of requests of the team. A Performance Mode if there isn't one, with splits and layers programmed for each performance patch. Also, a round robin/A-B routine which plays alternate notes with the second patch voicing, or randomly. I think this would rock.
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Yeah the alternation would be good.

What I would really like is modulation per voice as well, even for something simple like detuning each voice slightly. I did ask on the DSI site about it but have not had a reply.
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I have a feeling a lot here want the blippity modulation madness.


What you apparently are unable to grasp is that there are actually quality differences between different synths doing "blippity modulation madness".
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Jesus F Christ... When the P12 is finally released can we delete this thread and start over please?

....snip....
I'll close this one then, and someone start a new one. (please PM me or Don if we miss it?)
This'll then be the "general rehearsal" P12 thread. LOL
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I'll close this one then, and someone start a new one. (please PM me or Don if we miss it?)
This'll then be the "general rehearsal" P12 thread. LOL
I'm sure I'll not be the only one to remind you
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Why the hell would you want to close this thread? Just imagine all the "Well... I never said that" posts and then all the unearthed skeletons. heh

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What you apparently are unable to grasp is that there are actually quality differences between different synths doing "blippity modulation madness".
Then I will refer to this type of demo in the future as "extensively modulated sequences of notes in moods running from somber and basic to heavily mangled and unusual." Perhaps that will please his palmness.
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Originally Posted by ozy ➑️
Well, I am happy I managed to torpedo a 35-pages bashing of Dave Smith

Hopefully the next thread will be open to people really owning and using this new machine (or seriously contemplating ownership and use)
One would have thought after you got completely slammed in the Schmidt synth thread for your utter bulcrap spin on digital envelopes that you would have pipped down your superiority a little...

why is it that every time i got into a synth related thread, there are always posts with your bagging other people in some way? were you born like that or does it just take heaps of practice?
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