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Old 14th December 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by camarao ➡️
I’m also interested in knowing more about filter fm with the digital osc.
Does it sound good?
Does it sound like Prophet 8 filter fm?
Prophet 08 filter fm sounds great, especially with the noise source. P12 filter fm leads to less smooth result, especially with noise source it sounds closer to fast s&h or random modulation. I often use the P12 with filter fm, either with osc or noise osc source, but only small amounts. I wish they kept the dedicated noise source of P08 for the P12, both as audio and mod source. In any case, the P12 is one of the best synths ever, lots of hidden potential in the routings.
Old 14th December 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Jauly ➡️
I have a Prophet 12 and a Poly Evolver keyboard + Rack for poly chain. The Prophet 12 basic sound is more "hi fi" and smooth. The Evolver is more raw, but can sound deep as well. They are different enough to my ears to keep both.
Hey, thank you!

How do you compare filter fm on both synths?

It’s difficult to find examples of Prophet 12 filter fm...
Old 14th December 2018 | Show parent
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My latest P12 Demo



Enjoy
Old 14th December 2018 | Show parent
  #3364
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Originally Posted by Bobswans ➡️
My latest P12 Demo



Enjoy
wonderful sounds!!
I guess lots of them have filter fm.
Old 15th December 2018
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CPM2 Soundset it coming out in a week...

Old 20th December 2018 | Show parent
  #3366
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Originally Posted by 8bits ➡️
As far as I can tell, what you want is impossible on a synth with presets unless EVERY recordable control is motorised. If the pots were motorised, hitting a preset would move the pots back to the positions they were in at the moment the preset was saved. (impractical, expensive and unreliable)

As already mentioned by Mefistophelees pass-thru mode allows the pot to be moved and the setting remain unchanged until the pot is moved back into (or passed-through) the position recorded at the moment the preset was saved. Only at this point does the setting begin changing.

Moog also do this, so it's not just a DSI thing. It stems from having to digitally record the positions of analogue controls for later recall.

Pressing the P12's "Show" button allows the user to move a control and have the current setting show on the OLED display WITHOUT altering the preset parameter. Unlike Ableton's Push, the P12's controls are not capacitive and the system can't tell when they're being touched, only when they're being moved; hence the need for the Show button.

Using a combination of pass-thru mode and the Show button will get you close to what you want.
Check Nord Lead 3.
Old 23rd December 2018
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Old 24th December 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by greenlights ➡️
I never really thought to use my P12 for lead sounds, but some of these sound pretty good. Sure it's no Moog, but still....


Beautiful!
Old 28th December 2018 | Show parent
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Now that P12 is discontinued I’m not sure if I buy one or wait for NAMM 2019...
What do you think?
Will Sequential release a new poly?...
Old 28th December 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by magikroom ➡️
Here's the next 25 Patches in my Bank of sounds for the Prophet 12. 1st patch is interesting as I was challenged to make a Pad that used only 1 Oscillator and it had to be a SINE wave. While not the best patch I've ever made, the tools on board the P12 to add more harmonics and then shape them are really good. Even if I say so myself, I made a some cracking Motion Pads, especially 036 Andromeda and 037 Dark Matter.

I can clearly listen some aliasing. Is this the 11khz spike?
Great sounds, btw!
Old 28th December 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by camarao ➡️
I can clearly listen some aliasing. Is this the 11khz spike?
Great sounds, btw!
Can't say I noticed any aliasing when making the patches, unless I used the character controls...which were intentional of course. Might just be YouTube, they do chew audio/video up pretty bad.
Old 30th January 2019
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Here is a little tip for anyone with a Module that wants the sliders that are missing, Get a Roli Lightpad block.

A very kind gentleman on the Roli forum made me a custom script that allows 3 pressure sensitive faders.
Here is a very quick video
BoB SwanS on Instagram: “For anyone that has a Prophet 12 module by @ sequential _llc and you really want those sliders. Then check out the #roli Lightpad. Here I…”

You can get the original ones for about £80 brand new.


If anyone wants the script then let me know
Old 15th December 2021 | Show parent
  #3373
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Originally Posted by Desousa ➡️
I wouldn’t make that impassioned of an argument unless I could back it up, especially if I was attacking the programming skills of others. Put up or shut up. If you’re just going from the weak demos you’ve heard on YouTube of either machine.
First post in the forum, attacking a speculation made on an unreleased synth almost ten years after the comment. Way to go, bro!
Old 31st July 2022 | Show parent
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Hi there,

I'm about to buy a used P12 module tomorrow.

Do you have any advice on what I must absolutely check while testing? Any recurring problems?

I'm scared that out of excitement I'll forget actually checking if the beast works correcty..

TIA
Old 1st August 2022 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Fast Attack ➡️
Hi there,

I'm about to buy a used P12 module tomorrow.

Do you have any advice on what I must absolutely check while testing? Any recurring problems?

I'm scared that out of excitement I'll forget actually checking if the beast works correcty..

TIA
Check the all the encoders for skipping, especially the four under the display. Do an init patch and turn down all the oscs and check you can’t hear anything bleeding through unacceptably.
Old 3rd August 2022 | Show parent
  #3376
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I got my P12m

I wanted to ask you 2 things :

First: Do you know of any case or decksaver for it? I could only find the THON case that costs 150euros which I think is way too much for what it is. Would love to find a desksaver to I can put it in my bag and be sure the knobs are protected.


Second: Do any of you use an iPad app to control P12m? I heard of Oracle which only costs 5euros and seems very nice. Did anybody here use it or another?

TIA
Old 3rd August 2022
  #3377
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any chance of a reissue of the P12?
Old 4th August 2022 | Show parent
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It was naive to think that a Hydrasynth Deluxe could replace the Prophet 12 as my main controller keyboard. I'd like to get poly aftertouch in the studio, which is why I thought of making this move. But the Prophet 12 shows its timelessness.

The Hydrasynth is a labor of love and does so many things really well. But after a few days and returning back to the Prophet 12, this is what the Prophet 12 IMO does better.

1. User Interface. I give credit to the Hydrasynth for their bold design. It’s pretty easy to get around. However, it falls short of Dave Smith’s designs when it comes to placing dedicated controls where needed. An example, clicking on any of the P12's LFO’s you can immediately select a source and destination. With the hydrasynth you end up having to go back and forth between the LFO and matrix editor. The same with just wanting to modulate a pulse wave. The Prophet 12 is just so efficient (the same applies to all the Prophets). So after using the Hydrasynth for a few days, getting back on the Prophet 12 came with a sigh of relief. Meaning, less overhead for doing things. It’s just a natural design.
2. Sound. The hydrasynth has very powerful sound shaping options. So much so that I was able to nicely replicate the filter of my vintage Yamaha CS-30 synth (using the 2 pole fat filter). However, when you start stacking oscillators with the filter open, digital aliasing artifacts start swimming around. This is a no go for me considering it being a 16 oscillator synth. The fact the P12’s oscillators send an analog signal through analog filters, means no digital artifacts. The Prophet 12 sounds almost indistiguishable to both the original Prophet 5 and Rev 4 and Prophet 08.
3. Power. The Prophet 12 has some more powerful options in the matrix than the hydrasynth. I expected more from the Hydrasynth being basically software in a box.
4. Keyboard. This also applies to the new Prophet 10 Rev4. The keys have great feel and are second to none. The hydrasynth keys are light with a heavier spring pressure. They aren’t bad, but just not in the same league as the Prophet 12.
5. This sounds like a small complaint but it’s actually pretty big. You can’t rapidly move knobs on the Hydrasynth without it skipping. So, of you want to just open or close the filter with some resonance to hear what it sounds like, it skips and jumps. You have to move it slowly. You would think they would have put enough processing power in the Hydrasynth to make it feel 1:1 connected. The Prophet 12 does have digital controls but it feels every bit as connected as analog controls.

Sometimes you need to step away from something to gain more appreciation for it. This IMO really shows just how a beautifully designed instrument is timeless. Dave Smith said the Prophet 12 was his all time favorite synth.
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Old 4th August 2022 | Show parent
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2. Sound. The hydrasynth has very powerful sound shaping options. So much so that I was able to nicely replicate the filter of my vintage Yamaha CS-30 synth (using the 2 pole fat filter). However, when you start stacking oscillators with the filter open, digital aliasing artifacts start swimming around. This is a no go for me considering it being a 16 oscillator synth. The fact the P12’s oscillators send an analog signal through analog filters, means no digital artifacts. The Prophet 12 sounds almost indistiguishable to both the original Prophet 5 and Rev 4 and Prophet 08.
The 12's OSC are digital.
Old 4th August 2022 | Show parent
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The 12's OSC are digital.
Yes but they are converted to analog and sent down through independent analog filters, summed in analog. I'm not sure how these SHARC chips differ from a single software approach, however, I did notice the very high end starts to roll off just before 10k. Maybe this was intentional to avoid the effect, not sure, but whatever the process, the Prophet 12 doesn't suffer from the artifacts in the Hydrasynth. And even with this rolloff, it is a bright sounding synth.
Old 4th August 2022 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by ScottA2A ➡️
Yes but they are converted to analog and sent down through independent analog filters, summed in analog. I'm not sure how these SHARC chips differ from a single software approach, however, I did notice the very high end starts to roll off just before 10k. Maybe this was intentional to avoid the effect, not sure, but whatever the process, the Prophet 12 doesn't suffer from the artifacts in the Hydrasynth. And even with this rolloff, it is a bright sounding synth.
The DSP seems to be generating a fixed number of partials per waveform, so on lower notes you will see this as a roll off, but if you start to play up you'll see they go all the way up the spectrum.
Old 27th September 2022 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by ScottA2A ➡️
The fact the P12’s oscillators send an analog signal through analog filters, means no digital artifacts. The Prophet 12 sounds almost indistiguishable to both the original Prophet 5 and Rev 4 and Prophet 08.

4. Keyboard. This also applies to the new Prophet 10 Rev4. The keys have great feel and are second to none. The hydrasynth keys are light with a heavier spring pressure. They aren’t bad, but just not in the same league as the Prophet 12.
These two points are fascinating to me. The P12 oscillators sound way more muted to me than the Prophet 5 REV4 which I also own, as I understand it, it is to prevent aliasing. Some things can be done to open it up more, but I find that doing so makes it sound much more harsh and distorted and not very pleasing. I made a review (here) which shows what I'm talking about, you can see the higher frequencies cut off after 15 kHz. Someone mentioned to me that there's a brightness CC in the manual, but I don't think that will actually increase this. The comparison, however, was the Poly Evolver on my review, not the Prophet 5/10, although I find the Poly Evolver and P10 sound very similar in this regard.

As for the keyboard - I also find the Prophet 10 REV4 keybed to be far superior to the Prophet 12 (and my understanding was many people agreed with that assessment, that the P12 keybed is not very good). I think there are even threads about people wishing Sequential/DSI would offer a better keybed. See here, here, and here. And then the discussions regarding the velocity response being not very good on the P12 (here and here).

That must mean that either you can't detect any differences in the P10 versus P12 keybeds (I'm not judging you if that's the case!), the P12 keybed you have is better than mine (possible?), or your P5/10 keybed is worse than mine. Finally, I have to wonder how bad the Hydrasynth keybed is if you find the P12 keybed to be better, as I have been interested in the Hydrasynth for some time, to get the poly aftertouch.
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