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Old 20th November 2012
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EMU Nightmare

So I brought an Emu E5000 Ultra off Ebay, it all worked fine, then I brought an IDE Drive for it off ebay too

I installed it with the power connection wrong, which broke the hard drive & scrambled my sampler for a bit, it came back to life though & luckliy the guy took pity on me an replaced my drive.

I then installed it correctly & it all worked fine for about 2 weeks, then one day I turn it on and the LCD is all dark and its not booting, the lights are all on but nothing is happening, now when I turn it on the LCD flickers like Tetris style bricks. very upsetting.

so then I decide to buy an E6400 Ultra, as I wanted more outputs on the back. I have just recived the E6400 Ultra & it works fine. I just installed the IDE drive, and it boots up fine, but Ive noticed now the LCD is very dim in comparison to what it used to be & its scared me!! I really dont want another to fail on me

Ive taken the IDE drive out and the screen is now back to normal

I was wondering if anyone knew what was happening and what I can do to change it?

I'd really like to use the IDE drive as im a bit scared of Zip Drives and how reliable they are

Im assuming its something to do with the power supply? maybe the IDE it supping too much power?

Really Annoying!!!! I just want to get to work!
Old 20th November 2012
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Originally Posted by getmethough ➑️

Im assuming its something to do with the power supply? maybe the IDE it supping too much power?

Really Annoying!!!! I just want to get to work!

Definitely something not hppy with the IDE drive since it is creating problems in both machines. Possibly a pin mismatch on the connector. THose EMU's were al SCSI, never designed for IDE although there is a kit i think. I would do more research in terms of pin out on the drive and the emu before connecting it again. you don't want to fry other componenets.
Old 20th November 2012
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Sooooo ANNNNNOOOYINNGGGGGG

does anyone know anyone who might be good to fix my sampler / inform me on this ?

in Brighton or London UK areas
Old 21st November 2012
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just been looking on some other forums and by looking at the serial numbers, it seems like both of my samplers where build before '09 01'

This means that they have the lower powered PSU, so Im guessing that having an IDE drive in there is putting them under strain and results in the dimmer LCD

I just spoke to a tech who said, although he has never tried it, he thought that getting a separate power supply for the IDE drive could be a good solution?

does anyone have any experience with this?

I have no idea which power supply I would need but im guessing that I just plug it into the power socket that usually goes to the circuit board on the emu

is this all it involves or is it something more complex?
Old 21st November 2012
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another thing

there just doesnt seem to be too many places that repair late 90's gear, its a bit of a murky spot, loads of people who do old analog, but I have yet to find any that specialise in this area

I guess its because its in that purgatory before its proper 'vintage'
Old 21st November 2012
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Why dont you just by my MPC4000 with output board and 20 gig hd for Β£600?? in Brighton too.

Anyway hope you get it fixed.Not sure about repair people around brighton.Cimple solutions in london might help but not recommended by some.
Old 21st November 2012
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setting up after market HDs has always been a nightmare in those samplers, obviously today more then ever as most of the compatible ones are near obsolete.. i personally only use external zip or CF mod solutions with my old samplers as i can't be bothered to deal with internal HD configurations... but your best bet is probably those emu forums, good luck!
Old 21st November 2012
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@goa-dubs thanks for the offer but i already have an MPC60

@xanax, do you think its probably better giving up the IDE as a bad job and working with a zip drive instead?

soooooooo annnnnnnooooooyyyyyiinnnnnnnnnnngggggg
Old 21st November 2012
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well since you already invested so much time/effort in it, i think it may be worth the effort getting to the bottom of it.. unfortunately i'm not at all familiar enough with the situation to give you any kind of help though :(
Old 21st November 2012
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Those samplers & PSU are made for internal drives, try another drive. Any issues I've had like that ultimately was the drive.

Most newer drives use way less power. I have a 160GB IDE that has about the same spec and a 250 GB SATA that uses 1/2 the power.

Don't worry to much about finding a new drive, but a older IDE laptop drive would be more than fine and run very low power. You need a adapter board is all: Amazon.com: 2.5 to 3.5 Hard Drive Bay Adapter Convert Your IDE Laptop Hard Drive into a Desktop Hard Drive: Electronics

Sata laptop drive:
Addonics ADSAIDE SATA to IDE Adapter - Convert your... in stock at OWC

Or
Amazon.com: SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter: Computers & Accessories
Old 21st November 2012
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I'm not too familiar with the E-MU / IDE story, but perhaps an IDE to compact flash adapter option may draw less power (and make less heat and noise) than a standard IDE hard disk?

I use that in an S6000 and it works well.
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Im proper confused now, I just dont know what the best or safest option is

I just cant afford in time or cash to have another emu die on me

could someone advise me what the best thing to do is step by step please?

Im not massively computer literate when it comes to all these hard drives an stuff, so if you could speak to me like im an idiot it would be appreciated

I just want to get this sorted asap so I can get to work and not worry about the sampler dying or losing my work!!!

I just want safe storage im not looking for my EMU to talk to my Mac

I heard its a nightmare doing this but now I feel the full wrath of the sampler / storage nightmare!

If I need to ditch this IDE an get another, I guess I'll have to, I would like to do this cheap as possible, but I just want it to be safe

if some one could give me a step by step on what I need to do, or put me in contact with someone who could sort me out I would be eternally grateful
Old 21st November 2012
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I came across this thinking about your problem.

~~~~> https://gearspace.com/board/electron...e-upgrade.html

This post mentions a pin reversal but it's not specific. I think you have a pin mis match going on. 12v is where 5v should be and vie versa maybe. Might just be the polarity reversed on the 12vdc. get the schematics for the hard drive and for the ultra. pretty sure that all of the ultras will have the same pinout and color coding, so if you can't find the 5000 look fro the 6400
Old 21st November 2012
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@teknobeam

yeah I brought a special IDE kit with the drive which Had the wires reversed, thanks though!
Old 21st November 2012
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First off try emusonacid.com , great resource.
Is your drive a laptop type? I am thinking the screen might get darker if the drive is drawing current from power supply and its not coping with it, be it the drive or power supply. Make sure you do the pin reversal correctly. Also, you could ghost the drive onto a laptop style one (if it is the desktop type you have),they draw less current and generally run cooler and are more resistant to movement etc. I have a 20gb drive and it works a treat.


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Old 21st November 2012
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By the way power supplies are the most common problem with these machines.

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Originally Posted by getmethough ➑️
@teknobeam

yeah I brought a special IDE kit with the drive which Had the wires reversed, thanks though!
Ah OK. Cool !

It's just strange becasue something is obvioulsy creating a voltage drop at the display when the drive is connected.
Old 21st November 2012
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Since it's IDE, why not just use a CF card with IDE adapter? It wont draw hardly any current and would be dirt cheap (and silent)
Old 21st November 2012
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Sabrent makes a device that allows you to hook IDE or SATA drives to a USB 2.0 port. The thing that matters to you is that it comes with a separate power supply for powering up the drive. You can skip the USB connection and power the drive up and then just pass the data cable into your sampler and hook that up. That eliminates any strain on your internal supply and still allows you to use the drive.

I have this device and it works great for what I use it for. I never tried to jack a drive into a sampler using it. It was not very expensive and it is very easy to use.
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Since it's IDE, why not just use a CF card with IDE adapter? It wont draw hardly any current and would be dirt cheap (and silent)
could u explain this a bit more please? I have no idea what any of this stuff is, sorry for being a pain!
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Originally Posted by kpsiegel ➑️
Sabrent makes a device that allows you to hook IDE or SATA drives to a USB 2.0 port. The thing that matters to you is that it comes with a separate power supply for powering up the drive. You can skip the USB connection and power the drive up and then just pass the data cable into your sampler and hook that up. That eliminates any strain on your internal supply and still allows you to use the drive.

I have this device and it works great for what I use it for. I never tried to jack a drive into a sampler using it. It was not very expensive and it is very easy to use.
so literally I just plug it into the IDE Power, then plug the data cable into my sampler? its literally as simple as that?

what about when the hard drive starts up? someone said that It needs some signal from the motherboard to make the drive start up, otherwise u need to jump start it? does this take care of that?
Old 21st November 2012
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Here is a picture of the IDE I have if this helps

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Originally Posted by AtomicMidi ➑️
First off try emusonacid.com , great resource.
Is your drive a laptop type? I am thinking the screen might get darker if the drive is drawing current from power supply and its not coping with it, be it the drive or power supply. Make sure you do the pin reversal correctly. Also, you could ghost the drive onto a laptop style one (if it is the desktop type you have),they draw less current and generally run cooler and are more resistant to movement etc. I have a 20gb drive and it works a treat.

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Im not sure which type I have, I just brought one off ebay which said it was made for emu samplers and came loaded with loads of samples but I posted a photo above if that helps
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Originally Posted by kazper ➑️
Those samplers & PSU are made for internal drives, try another drive. Any issues I've had like that ultimately was the drive.

Most newer drives use way less power. I have a 160GB IDE that has about the same spec and a 250 GB SATA that uses 1/2 the power.

Don't worry to much about finding a new drive, but a older IDE laptop drive would be more than fine and run very low power. You need a adapter board is all: Amazon.com: 2.5 to 3.5 Hard Drive Bay Adapter Convert Your IDE Laptop Hard Drive into a Desktop Hard Drive: Electronics

Sata laptop drive:
Addonics ADSAIDE SATA to IDE Adapter - Convert your... in stock at OWC

Or
Amazon.com: SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter: Computers & Accessories
sorry man, could u explain this to me in simple terms? Im a novice when it comes to all of this!!!
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Originally Posted by getmethough ➑️
could u explain this a bit more please? I have no idea what any of this stuff is, sorry for being a pain!
Instead of using a hard drive, you use a Compact Flash drive (like for camera's and the like) with a IDE adapter.

So this:
Maxell 4GB CompactFlash High Speed Photo Music Computer Drive SEALED New | eBay

Plus this:

Two Sided 3 5" Bootable IDE Male to Compact Flash Micro Drive CF Card Adapter | eBay

There are also IDE Flash modules that you could try like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-TS2G...e+flash+module

I cant confirm that it will 100% work on your specific sampler but I have the same rig in my S3000XL with a scsi to IDE bridge on top of it and it works fine. CF drives dont have any moving parts so no noise

Whats the largest size that sampler can use? Using a 120 gig drive in something that can only use a fraction of that is a waste..
Old 21st November 2012
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that seems like quite a sensible & cheap solution, so I just get one of them then plug the like ribbon wire into the IDE to CF converter

I guess if I run out of memory I can just buy another CF card right?

has anyone ever done anything like this with an EMU before & can confirm it works?

thank you everyone for taking the time to get back to me about this, Its been proper stressing me out!
Old 21st November 2012
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Yep, thats it. You will probably need to run power to the adapter but it will work just like a normal hard drive

it looks like (based on somones post on sonicstate) that the ultra will only address 18 gigs on IDE and 9 on SCSI so anything bigger than that is a waste anyway..
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Originally Posted by Altitude909 ➑️
Yep, thats it. You will probably need to run power to the adapter but it will work just like a normal hard drive

it looks like (based on somones post on sonicstate) that the ultra will only address 18 gigs on IDE and 9 on SCSI so anything bigger than that is a waste anyway..
but if im using the power from the sampler, arnt I back where I started with it all? is there any way of powering this independently from the sampler so I dont put it under any more stress?

thanks again
Old 21st November 2012
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a CF card will draw a fraction of what the hard drive will. You would be surprised how much juice a hard drive drive can draw.
Old 21st November 2012
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ok cool well this sounds like the perfect solution if it works, i think Im just going to give up the IDE Drive as a bad job

another thing I was thinking, what if I unplugged the Floppy disk drive in my EMU as I prob wont be using it, would this free up power for the IDE? or even for the CF?
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