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The validity of sample packs
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The validity of sample packs

Joined Splice then quit after it seemed inauthentic & just to easy too string together other peoples samples & call it my own..

Seemed like I was cheating, or is this the new way?

Am I tripping?
Old 4 weeks ago
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Some of it is definitely a bit too “Paint By Numbers” for me…

I do have two famous Sample CDs from the 90s that I actually bought way back then, but I generally just sample things myself.
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Perhaps, you should worry more about making the best possible music.

There are 1000 ways to process a sample in order to make it sound unique and 1000 ways to use it to make your music unique.

It feels like today, the more tools, the more samples, the more synths, the more powerful the DAW, the less imagination and creativity, or maybe just because the more time spent hoarding shits from the internet, the less time spent actually producing tracks...
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It’s a tool like anything else.
Use em.

Not as fun imho though
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I have no problem using samples from packs when needed.

Look at every classic song from the 80s/90s with anything remotely electronic or synth in it. How many times have we heard the same M1 and DX7 presets over and over and people are STILL using them today. Same shit, it's all about how you use it and put it into your own context.
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Using a sampler means u can take audio from literally anything. Any instrument, any record, any film or tv show, any sound made in the real world, etc etc etc.

Yet ppl choose to use sample packs?

lol

This is why music is trash now.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I don't think it's "cheating" I think it's a shortcut to reach a goal.

But it's also a way of robbing yourself of the knowledge of truly creating music.

There are of course very creative ways of using samples. But could you really claim a track as your own if you just use the sample "as is" and base your whole track around it? I guess so, but where's the fun in that?
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Originally Posted by NEXUS-6 ➡️
Joined Splice then quit after it seemed inauthentic & just to easy too string together other peoples samples & call it my own..
Then don't do that? If I'm shopping for samples, I'm thinking about how I would chop it, not if I can drag and drop it into a tune. I don't know that I see a huge distinction between sampling from a record and buying a sample pack. Regardless of where you draw the line on sampling as authentic, it's no longer 100% your music. If the goal is to make a good track, and you find the right sound online versus on a record, what's the difference?

IMHO Splice is better than prepackaged sample sets because the onus is on you to pick individual samples, loops etc. There's at least a little bit of intent necessary there beyond clicking and pulling out your credit card. I end up with a lot less rif raff. YMMV
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Definitely take whatever is the most satisfying path towards making your music.
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Definitely take whatever is the most satisfying path towards making your music.
If someone is satisfied using premade “samples” they should quit making music altogether.
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If someone is satisfied using premade “samples” they should quit making music altogether.
I blame readymade shit like dance ejay as well.
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If someone is satisfied using premade “samples” they should quit making music altogether.
It’s not my thing, but gatekeeping isn’t either.
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If someone is satisfied listening to premade “music” they should quit making music altogether.
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There's no such thing as cheating in music because it's not a game that awards points or is based on skill. You don't get a higher score for making everything yourself.

There is however lying - mostly to yourself. "I could've played that live. I could've hit that note. I could've come up with that myself."

How often is a studio secret a matter of buying the right box and not telling anyone? How many songs had the benefit of money - of being the first to get a DX7, a Fairlight or whatnot - and to use the factory presets right out of the box?

Duchamp got away with ready made art because the first time it's clever and exciting; everyone afterwards is a copycat.

Splice has other, bigger problems, though:

https://youtu.be/pbOop_za_OY
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It’s not my thing, but gatekeeping isn’t either.
Unlike you, I consider standing up for what’s right and good to be not optional.
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If someone is satisfied using premade “samples” they should quit making music altogether.
That is next level weird and further how would you even know if someone was using premade samples from a pack?
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If someone is satisfied using premade “samples” they should quit making music altogether.
Yeah, like these know-and-can-nothings that used that one preset from that piano-thingie over and over again... these Bachs and Beethovens and Mozarts... disgusting. Didn't they have the slightest creativity? Or the likes of Miles Davis... over and over using the same one-preset-instrument.

How stupid is that? Why aren't these cheats called out day by day?

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Nothing wrong with using samples. Just don’t make generic crap.
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That is next level weird and further how would you even know if someone was using premade samples from a pack?
Next level weird? Wow you must live a really sheltered life.
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Next level weird is fancying yourself to be doing “creative” work where you use materials someone made for you to be “creative” with. Do you get your sample packs from Michael’s?

Lol this kind of clownery and defense of clownery is why music is trash.
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Mother****ers on this board would defend a Michelin starred chef using only store bought canned ingredients.
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Gearslutz full of “chefs” who take a frozen pizza and throw a little grated parmesan and dried oregano on top lololol
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One shots are ok. Loops naw.
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Next level weird? Wow you must live a really sheltered life.
I don’t see the problem. If you use a Linn drum you are using a sample somebody else made. It’s what you do with sounds that matters, not where they came from.
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Unlike you, I consider standing up for what’s right and good to be not optional.
The problem is the use of samples or how people use them is so trivial and and such a first world issue, your not really standing up for anything you are just pointlessly virtue signaling

With all the issues the world faces, where a billion people didn't eat today, a world where millions of people wonder if tonight is the night missiles destroy their homes, or warlords kill their children

How other people use samples is just a non issue it's crazy
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Originally Posted by NawwwwwSun ➡️
Next level weird is fancying yourself to be doing “creative” work where you use materials someone made for you to be “creative” with. Do you get your sample packs from Michael’s?

Lol this kind of clownery and defense of clownery is why music is trash.
Were the hip hop artists who used samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats albums of the 80s “chefs who used store bought canned ingredients” or do they get a pass?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulti...eaks_and_Beats
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Originally Posted by NawwwwwSun ➡️
Next level weird is fancying yourself to be doing “creative” work where you use materials someone made for you to be “creative” with. Do you get your sample packs from Michael’s?

Lol this kind of clownery and defense of clownery is why music is trash.
When I produce music for artists who are performers or a group of performers, it requires "doing creative work using materials someone made for me to be creative with." They essentially become their own "sample pack". If someone else can make better music with purchased samples, I think that's awesome. It's so hard to find success in art, I'm sincerely happy for anyone who can pull it off. Don't waste your energy being mad at people who use samples. Making your own awesome music that you love should be more fun than roasting people on the internet.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I remember when I first bought the synth plugin Spire. The Reveal Sound "sound store" included nothing but Spire patches. (Even though I program most of my own sounds, I don't have a hard and fast rule about it. I have no problem using presets so long as they are not too identifiable.) But now the sound store includes mostly audio construction kits and no Spire presets! WTF?

This is where I draw the line. Most of the fun I have writing music comes from creating sophisticated chords progressions that never veer into the dreaded "Jazz" zone. Classical yes. Jazz no. LOL.

So I would never use someone else's chord progression loops or even the accompanying bass and melody parts. Doing so is an embarrassingly lame crutch for people who don't know how to write music. I mean, why even bother? Take up another hobby if you can't be arsed to acquire even the most basic skills to write your own songs. Here's a tip: Consider practicing the piano for fvck's sake.
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I'm always wary of folks who think their opinions are veritable truths. Especially the snooty ones.

I suspect there can be both creative and non-creative uses for sample packs. Sturgeon's Law says that 90% of it will be crap. But Sturgeon's Law and Corollary says that about everything.
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One shots are ok. Loops naw.
Depends on how creatively it's used. Sampling this loop turned out pretty good for the music world.

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