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How did you end up with a setup that’s physically comfortable?
Old 27th March 2018
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How did you end up with a setup that’s physically comfortable?

This is kind of another spin on previous ergonomics threads...

How did you find your way to a setup where you can reach everything and create more easily? What stages and blind alleys did you go through over the years? How do you think about where to put things? Does wiring all the power, MIDI, and audio drive you as crazy as it drives me?

How people arrive at these super-accessible youtube studios is a mystery to me. I try to sketch and measure ahead of time, so there aren’t a lot of mistakes, but a lot of the studio area in my little apartment is still congested, because the plan I carried out didn’t totally work. The space seems solvable though. Almost wish there was software like the modular people use, to lay out their rack before buying stuff.

Not a problem, by any means ... just a puzzle.

And yeah, I’m getting rid of some gear. But mostly I like it and mostly it’s worth more to me than it would be to someone else. So.
Old 27th March 2018
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I finally figured out something that's made my setup a lot more usable. It's kind of an L shape with my monitors on a desk with my 61 key controller and a Roli Rise, but all my synths are on a wire rack system next to it. What I do now is run a pair of headphones and small MIDI controller most of the time when working directly with the synths and then switch on the monitors and go for the main controllers. This has helped in the shoulder issues that my old system was creating. Now I can move about the room without having the sound of my system change drastically.
Old 27th March 2018
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A really basic solution that helped me immensely is that I got an adjustable height drum throne.

It doesn't take up much space, is comfortable for hours, swivels, and has a huge height adjustment range compared to any standard desk chair.

As long as you can live without back/armrests, it's a good option.

Greg
Old 27th March 2018
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I hacked together a big U desk that is working well for me. I don't have a ton of gear, but I've got plenty of space to get my Slut on in the future! There is a e-drum kit, bass amp, and large vinyl collection out of frame, all crammed into a 10'x12' room. You just got to get creative.

A patch bay really helped with immediate routing and access to my hardware, but it made the cable clutter a lot worse behind the scenes

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Originally Posted by zerocrossing ➡️
I finally figured out something that's made my setup a lot more usable. It's kind of an L shape with my monitors on a desk with my 61 key controller and a Roli Rise, but all my synths are on a wire rack system next to it. What I do now is run a pair of headphones and small MIDI controller most of the time when working directly with the synths and then switch on the monitors and go for the main controllers. This has helped in the shoulder issues that my old system was creating. Now I can move about the room without having the sound of my system change drastically.
I like that you changed your pic to a Rick pic because now I read all of your posts with a Rick voice inside my head. Burps added by my internal monologue too.
Old 27th March 2018 | Show parent
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I like that you changed your pic to a Rick pic because now I read all of your posts with a Rick voice inside my head. Burps added by my internal monologue too.
Oddly, I’m more of a fart guy. Wubba lubba dub dub!
Old 27th March 2018
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this is the one thing in a studio I'm constantly adjusting and looking for perfection in, I have rearranged my gear so many times, sometimes I get very close to a perfectly comfortable setup then I get an idea and try something different and it goes to crap again..

I'm very OCD on this stuff, stuff doesn't necessarily need to be in arms reach as such, it just needs to be in a spot I can jam with it so I can hear it properly, I can't stand jamming on a synth with only one ear towards the monitors, hate it, so I'm always trying to get things in a small semi circle on my bench so I can hear the unit with both ears. I also love lots of arm and hand space on the bench, which obviously flies in the face of having gear in that same space, so it's a real juggling act.
Old 27th March 2018
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If it doesnt come to you, you have to go there.

There are two ways and i found both to be equally important.
Arrange your gear as haptically as possible and then practice with it as much as possible.

Things get better when muscle memory takes over It can only take over if things are in its reach.
Old 27th March 2018
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1.- Understand in which way you are more productive, I use a DAW so that was one of the primary considerations.
2.- When using a DAW having the computer keyboard and mouse at a confortable position is very important, nevertheless it is a complicated matter because: the right height for a computer keyboard is the same for your master kb
3.- So I made a very simple design for a table with enough space to put the computer keyboard and the master keyboard at the right height, and then have some more space on top to place other stuff:





Old 27th March 2018
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I started by looking at a LOT of studio setups and home office pictures, and save the images I liked to a folder I can browse through again and again. Threads like "Gear Porn" here I started on page 1 and read all 450+ pages. Also browsed Google images for HOME OFFICE, HOME OFFICE TOUR, HOME STUDIO, MUSIC STUDIO, STUDIO TOUR, etc.

The next thing I did was create a drawing of the room I plan to use to scale (I use 1ft=1cm to fit on paper), and then drew and cut out pieces of my furniture again to scale...and then rather than moving heavy furniture I moved and shifted the pieces of paper. I then photographed the arrangements I like, and again put them in a folder to browse...but I continued to move the pieces of paper around until I had a few layouts I liked...I then picked one and only THEN moved the furniture around.

But that doesn't guarantee I'd like it...a 2-D layout doesn't guarantee I'd like it in 3-D when I'm sitting at the desk...for instance some ways I felt claustrophobic even though it was an efficient layout. But my method saves moving furniture about for each layout.
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Old 27th March 2018
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I built a lot of my own furniture and I spent a bit of time writing Cubase MIDI device panels so I don't have to get up and edit on my MIDI hardware, the non-Midi stuff I put at a workable height in my rack, I did however stack my rack gear so deep modules are separated by shallow modules for the sake of airflow.
Old 28th March 2018
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A lot of trial and error, changing out gear, changing out furniture, and IKEA hacking.

For me (like others) an L or U shape has worked best.

I don’t have a patch bay (that’s next) but I do have an interface that I have expanded to have 24in/out and a midi patchbay so I have every piece of gear set up and ready to roll. This was HUGE for workflow.

Finally, I got a rack like this Ultimate Support JS-SRR100 Jam Stands Rolling Studio Rack | Reverb
On amazon for like $50, which holds a whole lot of rack gear, very easily right next to my desk.

All that said, in NYC it’s always a struggle bc space is at a premium, and I am always working on improving my space.
Old 28th March 2018
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Wow, great answers already ...

One more question: Does anyone else make certain placement decisions for intuitive rather than only ergonomic reasons — for example, that a certain stand or shelf of instruments feels better somehow when placed in a particular spot or direction? (This course changes where the light sources are and what you’re looking at when you play that gear, which may be the source of any mysterious “placement preferences.”)

I don’t use my SH201 much, but there’s something about its placement in the room that’s so natural and pleasing (and easy to reach too) that I hate to push it aside for a shelf of desktop stuff that’s more useful but won’t “feel” as perfect in that spot.

I may be crazy. It doesn’t feel OCPD’ish, though, it’s not a matter of precision ... more like what I imagine people mean when they talk about feng shui.
Old 28th March 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by percussion boy ➡️
Wow, great answers already ...

One more question: Does anyone else make certain placement decisions for intuitive rather than only ergonomic reasons — for example, that a certain stand or shelf of instruments feels better somehow when placed in a particular spot or direction?
100% yes!

If I'm not perfectly placed in the stereo field when I'm playing or recording, I go nuts!

This is often hard to do, so I have my main keyboard controller set up in the perfect spot, so I use it any time that I'm recording. If I'm just "jamming" I take the headphones to the instrument I'm playing.

Greg
Old 28th March 2018
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So today the little monitor riser I ordered from ebay arrived and I was able to do even more OCD arranging, I'm really stoked about how it turned out though, I now have a lot of my gear in a semi circle and have loads of hand and arm space on the bench, I can see me using this config for a good while now..

see that big black box under my computer monitor, well that gets moved..

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and it gets placed underneath my modular case, I'm going to find a rack mixer eventually, now I have the small black monitor riser underneath my screen I gain back all that space..

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Old 28th March 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by percussion boy ➡️
Wow, great answers already ...

One more question: Does anyone else make certain placement decisions for intuitive rather than only ergonomic reasons — for example, that a certain stand or shelf of instruments feels better somehow when placed in a particular spot or direction? (This course changes where the light sources are and what you’re looking at when you play that gear, which may be the source of any mysterious “placement preferences.”)
Most definitely, this is also referred to as the new gear space. Always, always, keep this part of your studio free of inquisitive eyes. In fact, place previous Xmas gifts and digital picture frames close, you’ll be fine
Old 28th March 2018
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I just put all my gear in my bed.
Old 28th March 2018
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I have everything stacked vertically right in front of me
Old 28th March 2018
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I control everything from Logic if possible. I use a Nord Lead 3 as a controller since I love the pitch stick. This setup allows me to apply the pitch stick to almost everything in the room.

I also have my main CV gear all on one table which lets them all interact fairly easily.



Old 28th March 2018
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And I thought I had a lot of gear...we're not worthy!

Have you guys posted those pics on the Gear Porn thread yet?
Old 28th March 2018
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for me it was/is an ongoing process thru the years, as gear has changed or piled up. and also thru realisation different projects have different needs in accessibility of certain hardware etc etc.. ive finally arrived at idea to divide my stuff in three parts, and this works best for me now:

1 few most used synths, outboard, daw, main kbd controller in inspiring, easily reachable "cockpit" (wide U shape). everything connected at all times. midi, cv and audio. one place on top of right hand rack is kept empty - available if i want to temporarily bring a different synth or rack from storage.

2 secondary setup in behind me on a side wall that is out of sight, so i can focus on main setup when thats all i need. this one serves to work more in depth with hardware, be it patching a modular, sound design, sampling on obsolete samplers using their cryptic interfaces.i might be just recording drones for later use. monosynths are on a tilted shelve etc. it has tables beneath shelves so its quick to rearrange gadgets for a jam session with bandmates or friends.

3 storage : so all currently not used stuff is tucked away, freeing room. safe from dust etc.


changin to this was a liberating experience, i have more sunlight enter my mixroom, no synth skyscrapers - my 3-tiers are kept quite low. i am more focused and relaxed. otoh being able to escape to the other setup, is inspiring and refreshing sometimes. there is still stuff i need to do to make this work even better, like patchbays incorporating more normalized connections. a pair of cheaper monitors positioned on the back wall, so i have more direct sound when working over there, and especially i miss it when jamming. so i dont have to blast the mains. etc..
Old 28th March 2018 | Show parent
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And I thought I had a lot of gear...we're not worthy!

Have you guys posted those pics on the Gear Porn thread yet?
I did about a year ago. I have a few upgrades since then but I’m waiting for a 303 and CS before I update.
Old 28th March 2018
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I didn't. It's an ongoing process. I've tried lots of things. You need a computer keyboard, controller, mixer and screen to be roughly in the same place and that's just not physically possible in a comfortable way (to me personally - reaching over a computer keyboard to reach a controller is not something I want).

I now have something based on the idea of "corners" - so a "Stevie Wonder" corner with a piano bench (Rhodes, Mini, Odyssey, Solina) and an "acid" corner (TR8, x0xb0x, 101, Shruthi) intended for standing, not sitting. In the center is my DAW and everything is plugged in the audio interface, and I have a desk chair for that.

Just getting everything hooked up is already bad enough. I don't have the luxury of allowing extra space for "crawlspace" but when you don't have it, it's impossible to reach the back of the rack when you need it :(

Test your cables, test your MIDI connections, label your stuff; and only then hook your things up. Take as long as you need for this because proper preparation prevents poor performance.
Old 28th March 2018
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Once upon a time I was quite happy with one of those free standing shelving units you can get from any hardware store - put it next to the computer desk and either sit or stand up to try out different patches and fiddle with knobs while the sequence was running. Wrote a shedload of music with that setup.

But somewhere along the line the gear population in my room exploded and I decided I wanted to have everything in arms reach while I sat at the computer. Spent 2 years slowly going mad trying to find the best ergonomic solution. Built all kinds of racks, stands and modified furniture but I couldn't seem to get it right. Something was always just that little bit too far away or at the wrong height. Stopped making music.

In the end I couldn't take it anymore and offloaded everything except a single romper. Picked up a few more things after a while but I've packed them away again in favour of the montage on a keyboard stand connected to my laptop with a single usb cable; which sits off to the side on one of those cube storage thingys. Perfect.
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Originally Posted by mikefellh ➡️
...a 2-D layout doesn't guarantee I'd like it in 3-D when I'm sitting at the desk...
This can be helpful, then : Sweet Home 3D - Draw floor plans and arrange furniture freely

It's quite easy to use and has helped me numerous times.
Old 28th March 2018
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I have a 3 level keyboard stand and I found I was having to stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down... as I went between there and my computer. Now I have the computer on a high desk (it's a "bar table") and I mostly just stand. I sit most of the rest of the time in work etc. so it's a good change.

My room's pretty small (although I'm lucky I can dedicate most of that room to the studio) but I realised I wanted everything close around me anyway. The only problem is getting round the back of everything to change wires etc. Once they're in the patchbay though it's mostly fine.

I like re-purposing or dismantling furniture I don't want for other rooms for shelves, risers, extra surfaces etc. I've found I get a thrill solving the "puzzle" of how to place everything.

I'm at the limit of how many wires I can cope with now, which is a good limit for buying more stuff (except Eurorack of course). If it took me more than a few hours to rewire everything when necessary it would be too stressful to even look at the rest of the time. I feel like it's under control right now.
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Originally Posted by GregkoNYC ➡️
A really basic solution that helped me immensely is that I got an adjustable height drum throne.

It doesn't take up much space, is comfortable for hours, swivels, and has a huge height adjustment range compared to any standard desk chair.

As long as you can live without back/armrests, it's a good option.

Greg
You just wanted to feel like Bun. E. Carlos.
Old 28th March 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by clusterchord ➡️
for me it was/is an ongoing process thru the years, as gear has changed or piled up. and also thru realisation different projects have different needs in accessibility of certain hardware etc etc.. ive finally arrived at idea to divide my stuff in three parts, and this works best for me now:

1 few most used synths, outboard, daw, main kbd controller in inspiring, easily reachable "cockpit" (wide U shape). everything connected at all times. midi, cv and audio. one place on top of right hand rack is kept empty - available if i want to temporarily bring a different synth or rack from storage.

2 secondary setup in behind me on a side wall that is out of sight, so i can focus on main setup when thats all i need. this one serves to work more in depth with hardware, be it patching a modular, sound design, sampling on obsolete samplers using their cryptic interfaces.i might be just recording drones for later use. monosynths are on a tilted shelve etc. it has tables beneath shelves so its quick to rearrange gadgets for a jam session with bandmates or friends.

3 storage : so all currently not used stuff is tucked away, freeing room. safe from dust etc.


changin to this was a liberating experience, i have more sunlight enter my mixroom, no synth skyscrapers - my 3-tiers are kept quite low. i am more focused and relaxed. otoh being able to escape to the other setup, is inspiring and refreshing sometimes. there is still stuff i need to do to make this work even better, like patchbays incorporating more normalized connections. a pair of cheaper monitors positioned on the back wall, so i have more direct sound when working over there, and especially i miss it when jamming. so i dont have to blast the mains. etc..
This post is very helpful to where I’m at, thanks.

I feel like I’ve unconsciously (or unintentionally ) done the same 3-way division of labor you did, but hadn’t really thought through why I did it, or how to finish it. The Z1 seems to be headed for the secondary setup, probably to make space for the ax80 in the primary area because I love that synth as a straight-up analog, limits and all.

The thing I need to decide is whether to get the sh201, a basically secondary instrument in terms of how much it’s used, out of my primary “U,” so I can give the 201’s current spot to gear I want to use all the time, like the Odyssey and Prophet 6 modules.

I like how you talked about the secondary area as a fresh place to escape to, vs. the primary setup. This makes the secondary a positive thing—whereas I’ve tended to see it as just a symptom of overkill: “I’ve got so much stuff, I can’t reach it all at once, what a disgusting materialist I am” ... even though my secondary instruments really wouldn’t be as valuable to most musicians as they are to me, and probably not worth selling or donating.

And yeah, light and space ftw. Right now I see clutter, and clutter doesn’t make me want to create stuff. Gotta keep reducing visual overload.

Again, great post.
Old 28th March 2018 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Yoozer ➡️
Just getting everything hooked up is already bad enough. I don't have the luxury of allowing extra space for "crawlspace" but when you don't have it, it's impossible to reach the back of the rack when you need it :(
I ended up getting a rack with nice big casters, although the casters were almost an afterthought ... “Yeah, maybe the wheels will help.”

Now I am wildly grateful for those wheels, every time I need to reroute stuff in the rack ... just spin the whole box around so the back’s accessible, and go to work.
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I sold most of it.
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