Originally Posted by 12tone ➡️

I say the DM12 was a brilliant product by them, and wish them nothing but success in hopefully creating original innovative designs that bridge the gap between prosumer and elite level gear, but I hope they have some respect for Moog and appreciate who they are, and what they stand for, and not do a straight Minimoog clone...that's just my personal opinion.

It's too easy to exploit, and it's somewhat hallowed ground.

Originally Posted by unwar ➡️

<deleted by moderator - use another word please> move. clone something dead...elektor formant, crumar spirit, synton syrinx, arp 2600, hartmann neuron. there are many.
or better yet, make something new and innovative.

Originally Posted by keyz2401 ➡️

My only, only issue here is capitalizing on the Moog name. Not only is it in bad taste, but it sets up a whole bunch of expectations on build quality, sound, design, materials, and support. Instead of invoking the Moog name, and moreover a specific model, why not just bill it as "a modern synth inspired by a great classic". That would give a lot more leeway everything mentioned above. Maybe this is a "PT Barnum"-ish publicity stunt? IDK - but it seems a little tacky.

Originally Posted by fiddlestickz ➡️

they will all in come in time, I don't most of have grasped what Behringer are going to do. They are going to be making all sorts of recreations over the next 20 years that will blow you all away, these are just the first few steps..

Originally Posted by daviddever ➡️

Even Barnum (and Bailey) had to put away the elephants.

Originally Posted by daviddever ➡️

...kind of the synthesizer equivalent of Jurassic Park, with broken strands of DNA and no conception of how the resulting organisms should evolve, lacking context of their origins....

We have whole trailer parks over here in the U.S. that are object lessons as to what happens when the gene pool folds in upon itself due to lack of biogenetic diversity–and it sure ain't pretty. The same, to a large extent, applies to the world of electronics.

If, on the other hand, one starts with something fresh, there's no mistaking it for another genus or species.

Originally Posted by unwar ➡️

<deleted by moderator - use another word please> move. clone something dead...elektor formant, crumar spirit, , , hartmann neuron. there are many.
or better yet, make something new and innovative.

Originally Posted by daviddever ➡️

...kind of the synthesizer equivalent of Jurassic Park, with broken strands of DNA and no conception of how the resulting organisms should evolve, lacking context of their origins....

We have whole trailer parks over here in the U.S. that are object lessons as to what happens when the gene pool folds in upon itself due to lack of biogenetic diversity–and it sure ain't pretty. The same, to a large extent, applies to the world of electronics.

If, on the other hand, one starts with something fresh, there's no mistaking it for another genus or species.

Originally Posted by daviddever ➡️

It seems you have a mistaken impression that I work for Moog Music - that is not the case, even though I do have an consumer / pro audio engineering background.

As for bent component leads implying the subsequent use of an auto-insertion machine, that's not entirely a foregone conclusion, as you well know–but it does certainly imply the use of a lead-bending and trimming ("cropping") unit, which makes insertion by hand quite efficient, and has been around for decades.

Finally - surely you are aware that lead solder is in fact still permitted in the European Union for new manufacturing use within specific industries where reliability in the service of public safety necessitates an exclusion to manufacturers such as EADS, correct?

In the United States, all of this is a non-issue: it is permissible, in fact, to sell products in California which have been made in another state (or Mexico!) using lead-alloyed solder; it is also possible to repair products which were manufactured using leaded solder with same-type solder (as is also the case in both the UK and EU).

The world of leaded solder did not end on July 1st, 2006, of course–there's an entire history of audio products that predates this–but if you're designing new products, chances are that you'd design them using RoHS-favorable components. Apparently, this is also an item that may be subject to change in the UK, post-Brexit.

Lastly–you are aware that organ pipe alloys are subject to an Article 5 exclusion as well (as of 2012), right?

Originally Posted by kcearl ➡️

Build decent products people will buy them...regardless of the fun stuff on message boards.

I like sub $500 because they can be impulse buys. But there should be more deepmind stuff, and above!

Originally Posted by fiddlestickz ➡️

How many didn't say a word about this piece of gear and it's striking resemblance to the original..?

Originally Posted by SimonInAustralia ➡️

Roland weren't remaking it at the time, Moog are.

Is a total dick move to clone the MiniMoog just when Moog have released theirs, but that wouldn't surprise me.

There are plenty of other synths you could copy.

Originally Posted by SimonInAustralia ➡️

Roland weren't remaking it at the time, Moog are.

Is a total dick move to clone the MiniMoog just when Moog have released theirs, but that wouldn't surprise me.

There are plenty of other synths you could copy.

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer ➡️

David,

great little spar;-)

Someone had earlier posted images of PCBA's.

https://gearspace.com/board/12479100-post56.html

How would you explain that all axial components are bent in consistent directions and cut with the same length, while non-axial components such transistors leads are not bent at all. Also manually adjusting all color-coded resistors in the same direction is quite an achievement;-)

Look no one would really care as auto-insertion is certainly a more reliable and efficient process. But that doesn't make it an all hand-assembled product.

I am sure you are aware that your listed ROHS exemptions don't really apply to and are not in the spirit of our consumer electronic industry unless you consider synthesizers part of the EADS (European Aeronautic Defence And Space) industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restri...nces_Directive
WHO | Lead poisoning and health

But putting the law and directives aside, why would you use leaded solder when there are less toxic solutions available?

Uli

Originally Posted by Delmarva ➡️

I will buy one and pick it up in my miniature 911 convertible as newly engineered by Kia

Honestly I wish they would work on bringing back a JP-8 style synth especially since Roland seems to have no plans to.

I don't see any harm in bringing out great new synths that deliver good quality.

Originally Posted by 12tone ➡️

In the least I applaud this community, where many individuals have expressed what really is right and fair, and proudly espoused those principles, over what may indeed be what our world is turning into.

I always thought that's what made art special, that it allowed an alternative view into how the world operates. But in the end, sadly it's an illusion.

...sadly, $'s are the only things thing drives this world. It's f+cking sad...

Originally Posted by 12tone ➡️

Well, 'you can graphite a horse to water' wouldn't have the same pun equivalence...but what might be more apt, pertaining to this thread is:

'You can lead a horse to water, and you can make it drink'

meaning, it's pretty easy for the masses to accept the Kool-Aid. Which underscores the sad dog eat dog state of affairs that pretty much is the de facto reality.

In the least I applaud this community, where many individuals have expressed what really is right and fair, and proudly espoused those principles, over what may indeed be what our world is turning into.

I always thought that's what made art special, that it allowed an alternative view into how the world operates. But in the end, sadly it's an illusion.

One of the most poignant things I've seen in film was, when in a documentary, Sonny Rollins had a sad epiphany, in that he realized that his art couldn't change the world for the better, no matter how hard he tried or wanted for it to be so...but, as artists, as better people, we still dream...sadly, $'s are the only things thing drives this world. It's f+cking sad...