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Is the Analog Rytm really analog?
Old 27th February 2017
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so, apparently it is analog, but still the price, the small screen and the rotary encoders don't appeal to me
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The Rytm is basically like a modular system. There are a dedicated number of circuits meant for analog percussion, but they are able to be fully re-routed in various ways. The Rytm operating system can be updated to reroute the circuits in new ways.
So the A4 can do nothing like this?
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So the A4 can do nothing like this?
Right. Analog drum circuitry is very different from typical melodic synth circuits. The toms are a sine that feedbacks itself to create resonance. One of the bass drum circuits (also used in the 808 kick) is a Bridged-T sine network, where one sine pings and resonates another sine and replicates a drum head being hit with a stick. They aren't capable of doing sounds outside of percussion, which is why they are limited to drum machines. The Rytm replicates the circuits of most of the 808, the 909 kick/snare/rimshot, (I would assume) the 606 kick and hi hats/cymbal (BD silk and HH/CY metallic), and then does a number of designs specific to the Rytm.

You can make percussive sounds with a regular analog synth, but thats its own thing from analog drums
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so, apparently it is analog, but still the price, the small screen and the rotary encoders don't appeal to me
It's the most advanced drum synth/machine out there though.
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It's the most advanced drum synth/machine out there though.
maybe, but my budget doesn't stretch that far
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It's the most advanced drum synth/machine out there though.
Trying to imagine even one voice given knob per function, while still being able to navigate the thing, and I am getting
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maybe, but my budget doesn't stretch that far
Fair enough , it is a premium cost for a premium item
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Trying to imagine even one voice given knob per function, while still being able to navigate the thing, and I am getting
Mahoosive
Old 28th February 2017
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It is advanced alien technology. You guys really thought Hector was human...



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They're definitely lying to all of you. You've been duped.

Somebody should call the President.
I tweeted him and he said, "IT'S TERRIBLE what's happening in Sweden with FAKE ANALOG!! SAD!"
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The A4 / Analog Rytm use FPGAs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-...ble_gate_array

This means the chip used to control the analogue circuitry can be reprogrammed ("rewired") to change it's function / add features / new machines etc. etc.

Very clever stuff!!!!
Well I am working with FPGAs every day (electronic engineering). The usage alone doesn't prove one to be "very clever".

But FPGAs are as digital as DSPs except that you can increase sampling rate to insane values and there is a huge amount of processing available. Still its digital and cannot be sold as "analog".

But how do you know? Did you open the box?
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But how do you know? Did you open the box?
The FPGA is used to control the analogue circuitry, similar to how DCO synths utilise digital signals to control analogue oscillators (for increased tuning stability etc.).

Do they use FPGAs? Sure ...

https://www.elektronauts.com/t/a4-te...rared-pics/928
Old 28th February 2017
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OMfG do people really believe this isn't analogue?
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The only ones that didn't get new were the toms ! If they made an update that tuned the envelope decay to make 909-ish toms, and a different vibe to the bass tom, I would be in heaven
Use the oneshot lfo set to TUN

The new soundpack by cuckoo has a lovely 80s tom sound btw (all synthesis)
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Use the oneshot lfo set to TUN
The problem with the LFO (at least on mine) is that it lags a little. So the sound won't be spot on. Otherwise this would be a great trick.
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The problem with the LFO (at least on mine) is that it lags a little. So the sound won't be spot on. Otherwise this would be a great trick.
What speed multiplier are you using? waveform? lfo fade param at zero?
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What speed multiplier are you using? waveform? lfo fade param at zero?
Any multiplier, any wave. But for discussion lets say i want to make a kick with LFO->pitch with the single saw wave pulse.
The problem seems that the LFO resets a little behind the envelopes. Also, the sync point wanders a little so not all hits sound equal. The trancient is especially variable.
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Any multiplier, any wave. But for discussion lets say i want to make a kick with LFO->pitch with the single saw wave pulse.
The problem seems that the LFO resets a little behind the envelopes. Also, the sync point wanders a little so not all hits sound equal. The trancient is especially variable.
Fascinating. Have never noticed this, and I use exponential oneshots all the time. Have you tried recalibrating?
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Fascinating. Have never noticed this, and I use exponential oneshots all the time. Have you tried recalibrating?
No, havent tried it. Don't they tell you not to calibrate tho? I have no idea what the calibration actually does. I always thought it was for the pads or something.
Old 28th February 2017
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If you want it to sound the same every time, sample it.
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If you want it to sound the same every time, sample it.
The rythm can't sample itself. And i'm not going to resample it extrenally. If i went that route i could just as well use any other sample and completely forget about the analog part of the rythm.
This is about what you can do with only the analog part of the rythm.
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#prayforanalog
Old 28th February 2017
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It is analog. But what does that mean? There is very ****ty sounding analog.
It sounds alright though, but the Tanzbär sounds much better in that regard. Rytm is more fun with samples.
I agree to some degree that A4 sounds better than Rytm for certain drum sounds (deep, snappy). Rytm can do interesting melodic synth sounds btw, also using a sample as oscillator.
Old 1st March 2017
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The analog devices have a chip in them that lets them rewire circuits its soposed to be newer tech. So all the voices do have fully analog circuits, and the chip just rewires it for diffrent analog set up. Thats how they are gettin diffrent machines out of it. The analog circuits have a direct analog path to audio outs. Simply put Its kind of like having a modular set up and the chip dose the rewire. Both analog machines sound analog and they both sound great. I belive the ocs are DCO. Their are picrures of the inside of A4 some where on this form, that shows how the circuits are laid out, which you can clearly see the 4 voice analog circuits and some controller chip for them. Its a brilant move of elektron, but i do belive a japanese company came up with these "re wire chips" idea. Hope that helps
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Just sit back and watch the piranha elektron fanboys come and have a feeding frenzy. They would defend an elektron branded bidet that you have to hit 6 button combos just to flush, depending on body weight calculations of post-flush, of course.
lol!! Still true, to this day.
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lol!! Still true, to this day.
You bumped this thread just to post a stupid troll thing like that?

Get a life.
Old 15th August 2022
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Elektron easily added "12 new machines" with update 1.3. This somewhat makes me suspicious if the machine is analog at all or virtual analog? I mean when did you ever encounter such a case that a analog hardware structure was so easily adapted and extended? In theory, complex analog routing can be done and analog circuits combined with higher flexibility, ok, but this goes very far.

Has anyone had the chance to inspect the internal circuitry?
Yes, it is analogue. I am not good at this, but my brother knows this case. Therefore, having asked him I can confidently say that yes.
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