wow peachh

so is the "re303" recording he posted done with the re303 which sounds more like his tb?
just curious

Why don't you ask him?

TT303, pattern 2.

Call me nit picky, but those fake background noises are not helping at all. Everything else sounds good :)

I saw phuture play tonight. No idea which 303 they used but I didn't see mass walk outs based on the ramp of the accent or shrill of the resonance.

Just work with what you have , buy the one you can afford. Write a tune instead of analysing and arguing on an Internet forum.

I recorded pattern 2 with TT.....to find out i had saw now square selected. Then i did new one and when i started to compare sound to yours i found out that my pattern is not correct. Then i thought i'd edit/upload it anyways, but then rather watched Westworld e2.

Yeah I like that approach. A number of online software companies use it. You just have to hope that said company never goes out of business to the point where you lose it all (these days, can happen).

That's the value of an actual thing (although it will physically break, too, eventually). It doesn't have an umbilical cord tied to a business somewhere keeping it alive.

OTOH..... nothing is forever.abduction

I think the thing I like most about the TB-303 and all clones is that the sound can't be "imitated" between them, because -- at least in my experience of the music made by them over the years -- it's as much the result of the performer/musician's style with the instrument as the instrument itself.

Maybe that's part of the magic of the TB-303; "its" sound requires a combination of machinery and human to occur.

Of course this is true of all instruments, and all synths, for that matter, but the TB-303 has had sustained-enough obsession over a coupla decades to actually catch on as an instrument people fully play.

And the simplicity of the TB-303 is a huge factor; in the endless chase in the synth market here for yet another thing, people easily lose sight of the fact that, indeed, less is more. rockout

Where are the avalon fan boys when you need them? :D
Acidlab bass line 3 would be nice too.

i just did, i thought you have ignored me so i expected someone else to answer
so, is that recording you posted done from the re303 which sounds more like your tb?

i've been sitting on the avalon thread waiting for someone to post some non-crazy recording of it (dry or whole tracks)
my theory is that it's just not typical, same goes for the devilfish/x0xi0 and other such heavy mods
what could possibly happen when you break the limitations and extend everything..

it's the first one I built which has more resonance than my tb. it's the one which is closer to the tb recording from pete. the second re is the one which I made all the demos in the other threads.

well, here's my 303 clone, interleaved with the reference, pattern2
at the required volume position, it doesn't clip as much as the reference, which is probably because of the BA6110
the envmod range is also a tiny bit larger than the reference

Also a x0xb0x, right?
Sounds pretty much spot on to me, I could not tell which one is which.
TT303 also sounds very close to me, though the cutoff is set a bit lower than the reference and the accent seems to have a slightly slower filter attack time.
ABL3 sounds very good too, though the dry square without resonance has a more bassy character.
TB3 is by far the easiest to spot so far. ;)

Just curious, did you have to tweak R45 too or was the square correct right of the bat?

My first x0x from x0xsh0p (standard parts) was quite off, the current one has some of the rare parts inside, but still needed a little tweaking of R45 to match the reference exactly. I've heard other x0xes that also had this issue more or less, which is strange.

Is this really fully set to square? In the beginning it sounds more like a saw/sqare mix to me.
And why no accents?

I uploaded the wrong file. Doh! I used my Engine to sequence as the MB33 has no sequencer and its velocity was turned down from my last session which meant the Accent wasn't being triggered. Had to record it again. Here's the proper file...

Oh, and yes the MB33 is turned fully to the left (Square wave). Not very square sounding, is it?

Indeed. What was the volume knob set to? Could be that it distorts its internal amplifier much more than a tb303 at max volume.
It also seems to have a highly extended cutoff range. Would you mind doing another run with the settings matched by ear?

Yes, the volume is at max, I'll try and reduce it. Also I have tweaked the cutoff offset and range using the screws accessible at the back. I'll try and match the settings and try again. Sorry, as you've probably guessed I'm not great at this kind of thing hidz

No reason to apologize. I think it's great you've joined the game and post examples kfhkh

So it was a bit off, too? I wonder why this is the case with so many x0xb0xes.

I only draw conlcusions based on my own observations. And thanks to this thread and the people posting great audio examples, I could draw them.
My example changes between 303 and x0x every other bar, yet it sounds to me that there's only one synth playing. So to me the x0xb0x, when calibrated, sounds spot on. I'm happy.
Regarding the sequencer, I don't hear any difference in "groove" or whatever, also looking at the scope I could not see any significant difference in timing.
However I can understand that some people prefer the original programming style. It's an interesting workflow and will definitely will lead to different patterns.

Another attempt at the MB33 Retro.

I actually had to take the volume below 50% to stop the distortion! Should sound like a square wave now. I tried to match the sound as best I could by tweaking the cutoff range/offset but I'm not that good at this to be honest so I'm not sure if it's an improvement.

It definitely is.

To me it sounds like it uses a square oscillator with constant pulsewidth over pitch, unlike the tb303, where the pulse width changes a little with pitch.

Also the cutoff at the end is very low, no tb303 could ever reach this low without changing R47.

But it sounds cool. I'd definitely prefer it to a tb3. ;)

Yes, I agree, it's sounds way better than my TB-3 (which I've only really hung on to because it recieves MIDI CC's).

The cutoff is very low for the last two settings. I think that's why I tweaked the cutoff offset up but obviously it had an impact at the top end. I'll have another go at tweaking it.

I just checked the MB's manual...

"A maximum volume can – for certain parameter settings – lead to overriding of the output signal (Accent on maximum, Resonance to minimum) , which becomes noticeable in form of distortions as a consequence. Turn down the Volume, if this is not a desired effect."

Okay, tweaked the offset a bit to increase the cutoff settings slightly. Is this better?

What do you mean by instant slide?

The x0x from evo is so close I think I couldn't spot it in a blind test.
Funny enough the ABL2 which some say is the best emulation (maybe they meant 'software' emulation) seems quite easy to spot - also in that video everyone seemed to be impressed of ("almost no phasing when both are playing" or something like that).

I recently did a remix of an acid tune for a friend and he has an original 303. I found the sample he gave me too resonant so I bought ABL3 and used that instead. I thought it sounded really good and actually worked better in the track. As a test I tried to replicate his squealing resonant 303 sample, I couldn't get it anywhere near as resonant and aggressive as the real 303 with the control at max.

We have an update coming which removes those noises, it will sound much cleaner. Also we are bumping the accent a little more in lower cutoff settings, so I think you guys will like it..!
--Mike

kfhkh