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Is this FM or Something Real?
Old 14th April 2016
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Is this FM or Something Real?

Hey again guys. I also seem to have trouble identifying real sounds versus vst or synthesized sounds...Does anybody have a clue on what this sounds like to them. It sounds like a cross between an EP or some kind of FM, glass thingy, or something from Ominisphere? It's the sound that comes in right away at the start of the song at the :13 mark. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.



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Might be an Ensoniq VFX?
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Interesting sound followed by a bunch of horrible crap... way to waste a good sound.
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If a digital tree falls in the digital woods simulation...
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wow what a HORRIBLE song..

but I agree, digital synthsations from UVI will get you there, has a VFX emulation
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I get similar sounds running Blofeld wavrtablea through analog filters with a carefully designed envelope. I
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many was of doing this.

could be mimicked with a sample of a chime or bell pitched down and filtered then split and run through a bit crusher with just a little of the bit crusher effect filtered in.

or an old noisy cheap rompler playing bells pitched down (kawai k1 or even a casio home keyboard)

can also be filtered fm

my guess is noisy and/or cheap old rompler or an effected sample.
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Does anybody have a clue on what this sounds like to them. It sounds like a cross between an EP or some kind of FM, glass thingy, or something from Ominisphere?
For pop and EDM you can see FM as a last resort. Don't use it if something more simple is available.

Omnisphere is completely overkill for this. This is single-cycle waveform stuff that you can get from a variety of sources - it's wavetable stuff without the thing that makes wavetables wavetables (i.e. modulating the index of the waveform).

Try NI Massive, choose a single oscillator without filters (File > New preset). Set the volume envelope to zero attack and a bit of release, sustain level to max.

Set the waveform to something else than default saw/square. Use the WT knob and move it a little bit until you find something that matches. Add a hint of chorus and reverb to sweeten it up and animate a very small bit.
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Interesting sound followed by a bunch of horrible crap... way to waste a good sound.
Haha I love the beginning the sound, and was going to warn you to turn the speakers down once the other synth starts.
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wow what a HORRIBLE song..

but I agree, digital synthsations from UVI will get you there, has a VFX emulation
So you think it's a VFX?
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I get similar sounds running Blofeld wavrtablea through analog filters with a carefully designed envelope. I
I'm thinking something along those lines now, not so much FM.
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For pop and EDM you can see FM as a last resort. Don't use it if something more simple is available.

Omnisphere is completely overkill for this. This is single-cycle waveform stuff that you can get from a variety of sources - it's wavetable stuff without the thing that makes wavetables wavetables (i.e. modulating the index of the waveform).

Try NI Massive, choose a single oscillator without filters (File > New preset). Set the volume envelope to zero attack and a bit of release, sustain level to max.

Set the waveform to something else than default saw/square. Use the WT knob and move it a little bit until you find something that matches. Add a hint of chorus and reverb to sweeten it up and animate a very small bit.
Yeah, I'm not sure it's FM, thinking it's a wavetable, I know he has a VFX, it sounds really dirty so I'm thinking hardware but could be a vst. My ear tells me it's an actual keyboard but I could be wrong, I hear similar things in those wavetables in Massive but I don't think that's what it is.
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Originally Posted by Yoozer ➑️
For pop and EDM you can see FM as a last resort. Don't use it if something more simple is available.

Omnisphere is completely overkill for this. This is single-cycle waveform stuff that you can get from a variety of sources - it's wavetable stuff without the thing that makes wavetables wavetables (i.e. modulating the index of the waveform).

Try NI Massive, choose a single oscillator without filters (File > New preset). Set the volume envelope to zero attack and a bit of release, sustain level to max.

Set the waveform to something else than default saw/square. Use the WT knob and move it a little bit until you find something that matches. Add a hint of chorus and reverb to sweeten it up and animate a very small bit.
there's also a low-level sizzle that responds to the frequency of each note. sounds like 12-bit DACs on an old rompler.

i'm otb so i don't have an answer for this: What approach do you recommend for adding that sound? It's duller than a straight bit crusher.

and there's noise that precedes the first note, sounds like the output noise of an old rompler. for those who don't have one lying around or who want to stay itb, what are there options?
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there's also a low-level sizzle that responds to the frequency of each note. sounds like 12-bit DACs on an old rompler.

i'm otb so i don't have an answer for this: What approach do you recommend for adding that sound? It's duller than a straight bit crusher.

and there's noise that precedes the first note, sounds like the output noise of an old rompler. for those who don't have one lying around or who want to stay itb, what are there options?
I've read he has an Ensoniq VFX so it could be that. Not a rompler it uses wavetables.
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there's also a low-level sizzle that responds to the frequency of each note. sounds like 12-bit DACs on an old rompler.

i'm otb so i don't have an answer for this: What approach do you recommend for adding that sound? It's duller than a straight bit crusher.

and there's noise that precedes the first note, sounds like the output noise of an old rompler. for those who don't have one lying around or who want to stay itb, what are there options?
Also, I don't know any synth that would choose to have it sound that dirty on purpose, I think he made it that way.
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Also, I don't know any synth that would choose to have it sound that dirty on purpose, I think he made it that way.
Kawai K1, which can easily make this sound, is this noisy. cheap casios and yamahas too (these are the romplers i'm referring to).

not saying it isn't a vfx or that he didn't dirty up results himself. just saying that lots of cheap gear i've used over the decades can do this sound too by just pressing the octave-down key.
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Kawai K1, which can easily make this sound, is this noisy. cheap casios and yamahas too (these are the romplers i'm referring to).

not saying it isn't a vfx or that he didn't dirty up results himself. just saying that lots of cheap gear i've used over the decades can do this sound too by just pressing the octave-down key.
It sounds like he resampled it or added distortion later or something or ran it through something. I don't think it came out of a synth like that I own a lot of synths and never heard something come out like that, even ones from the 80s.
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My take: The more I listen I don't think it's any kind of Bells thing, which I what I used, sounds more straight forward to me. Could just be an EP emulation, also, that "Dirt", I tried distortion, but it was all over the place, this sounds really consistent, so I used white noise, but it could just be the signal being Distorted in parallel. Also, my playing isn't that accurate but whatever.
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