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Old 16th April 2003
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audience vs room

you can mic the audience or the room or both. (usually i mic the audience. the rooms i get into aren't all that great sounding and there's usually a so so PA going.)

any thoughts on audience micing vs room micing? approaches to one or the other? when is one appropriate, when the other? how to you deal with delay- does it matter? how do you set mics- what conditions or other considerations determine one placement vs another? or just a general treatise on the topic.
Old 16th April 2003
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Good question.

I will be back with a reply very soon...

Been super busy.

Anyone else care to answer this while I'm away?
Old 17th April 2003
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I find that when I'm micing the audience, I try to minimize room quite a bit. I bring the mics down and up depending upon what is happening. It is also very dependent upon what is happening with the PA. If I have good PA, I can get away with a bit more. If the PA sucks, I'll go with less room.

For indoor events, I'll usually place a couple of AKG 460s on poles at either side of the stage. These mics will usually have hypercardiod capsules on them so that I can control direct applause sound versus room. In a reverberant room, this can help clear up the recorded sound.

When I'm working on an outdoor event, I'll place cardiod mics facing the near part of the crowd. Up a bit higher, I'll use shotguns to pull in a more distant sound.

--Ben
Old 17th April 2003
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Re: audience vs room

I mic the audience but go for a great room sound too.
IMO, there are "no" bad rooms, just bad mic placement...

I usually start off with 2 to 4 shotguns downstage right, center and left pointing towards the audience angled to maximize the audience response. I also place 2 (sometimes 4) large diaphram mics at the FOH position. It usually depends on the size of the venue we're in.

Sometimes I time align the room mics to the stage mics, some times I do not. It depends on what I'm going for.

If I'm going for a room tone for the band and also need audience response, I may multi the mics and EQ one set for the band tone and EQ and ride the other set for audience swells.

When it comes to mic'ing, I have certain starting points for each venue. When the tried and true mic placement doesn't work out, move it! Trial and error is not a bad thing when you found the result you were looking for.

Here are a few threads on the subject...

Mixing in 6 shotgun mics

Speaking of mics...

Time aligning audience mics in DAWS

I know what I would do...

Audience mics

I hope this helped!
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